Promoting Diversity and Free Speech in the BDSM community through censorship?

[Leopald]

Should we thank you for casting aspersions on any submissive who accuses someone of abuse/rape.

Do you think they will appreciate it?

I like how you deleted the last half of an unedited post to "prove" a misconstrued point.

Very mature of you.

And yes, I think they will appreciate it about as much as they appreciate you for constantly insulting their intelligence for doing everything in their power to stay clear of non-consent situations.

I don't know how many subs let themselves be tied up and abused by people they don't know or trust. I haven't met any. Have you? Are you one of them? Were you an abused sub?

For the record, you're wrong, and guilty of all the things you advocate so strongly against here on these forums.

 

[BLoved]

For the record, you're wrong, and guilty of all the things you advocate so strongly against here on these forums.

~smile~

Yet more evidence of obsessive-compulsive harassment.

Expect this from the casual community.

 

[Leopald]

~smile~

Yet more evidence of obsessive-compulsive harassment.

Expect this from the casual community.

As I've said before, I'm not a casual player or in any way tied to or a part of a casual community.

You're wrong, and you ignore any facts or information given that's inconvenient to your point of view.

 

[sinnocence]

~smile~

Yet more evidence of obsessive-compulsive harassment.

Expect this from the casual community.

You...are a moron.

 

[BLoved]

You...are a moron.

~smile~

Yet more evidence of obsessive-compulsive harassment.

Expect this from the casual community.

 

[Daddy2mylilgirl]

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c123/sharpelectricstar/64687462bu2.jpg

 

[DeepGreenEyes]

I think it was in the fall. Anyway, I remember the sound of crunching leaves. I may have held someone's hand on a hay ride.

 

[Keroin]

I think it was in the fall. Anyway, I remember the sound of crunching leaves. I may have held someone's hand on a hay ride.

Liar.

 

[FloggingMolly]

I have no objection to you having a discussion, however, I'm sick of seeing a billion new posts of the same thing.

 

[BLoved]

I have no objection to you having a discussion, however, I'm sick of seeing a billion new posts of the same thing.

Do you think if you whine enough people will pay more attention to you?

Surprising how many people who claim they're involved in bdsm actually behave in public like spoiled children.

 

[BLoved]

Worth repeating:

And THERE's the problem. In order to eradicate this nuisance, we will need the BDSM forum community as a WHOLE to work together to put him on ignore. Some people absolutely refuse to use the ignore feature because they think he's 'funny', or for whatever other reason.

We are fractured on this subject and that is why it continues to be a problem. The majority of us know that the only way to get rid of him is to ignore him, but some people here simply won't and they won't stop talking about him.

Guess what guys? He won't go away until we do. We need to work TOGETHER...as a team. ALL OF US...and never mention him again, never post in his threads, never even IMPLY his presence. Let this be the LAST post about him period. EVER. EVERYONE put him on ignore (obviously the mods cannot, I don't mean the mods) and let it be DONE WITH.

All he wants is attention and he doesn't see the difference between positive and negative. As long as SOMEONE is talking to him or ABOUT him, about no matter what, he's happy.

BLoved isn't a troll. The more people who ignore him, the happier he will be. I think he'll be perfectly happy to start his threads every morning and watch in amusement as the "collation to ignore him" tries to control everyone else. In his twisted mind, he thinks he has a message and this is the only community on the net that will put up with him.

I am sure we'd all like to see the obsessive-compulsive trolls of BDSM Talk/BDSM Cafe try to "control everyone".

Yet more evidence of obsessive-compulsive harassment.

Expect this from the casual community.

On edit: While "collation to ignore him" has a certain ring to it, I prefer "coalition of the witless".

Just seems more appropriate.

 

[BLoved]

More new rules to 'promote' diversity and free speech:

Constantly starting new threads on the same topics (slow motion flooding) will result in two things happening.

The threads will be merged, and a final warning will be issued. Technically, posting to the wrong forum was already a second violation, but I decided to give an extra chance.

Continuing to violate the rules - which are linked to from every page - will result in a final warning, and then a ban.

You don't have to like it, BLoved, and you don't have to agree with it. You do have to adhere to it.

Feel free to claim I hate you, but it's actually not about you. It's about enforcing the rules. If I simply disliked you, you would already be gone.

As always, you are welcome to PM Laurel if you have a problem with this. I have explained the situation and will not be answering questions on it.

 

[Leopald]

More new rules to 'promote' diversity and free speech:

Those aren't new rules, they were even quoted to you earlier in this thread by other users.

Seriously, I don't see what the problem is here. I don't even completely disagree with your message, but I feel compelled to argue with your method of delivery. I've said it before, you'll experience less problems if you stop posting so many new threads on the same topic, start treating people with respect, and stop flaming in general.

The only reason I can see you having a problem with any of these concessions is if you really are a troll and thrive on the idea that everyone 'hates' you.

You've been given a second chance to adhere to the rules, which is more than they are required to give. Its all on you now.

 

[the captians wench]

Those aren't new rules, they were even quoted to you earlier in this thread by other users.

Seriously, I don't see what the problem is here. I don't even completely disagree with your message, but I feel compelled to argue with your method of delivery. I've said it before, you'll experience less problems if you stop posting so many new threads on the same topic, start treating people with respect, and stop flaming in general.

The only reason I can see you having a problem with any of these concessions is if you really are a troll and thrive on the idea that everyone 'hates' you.

You've been given a second chance to adhere to the rules, which is more than they are required to give. Its all on you now.

I feel the same way. Tried to converse and debate, got thrown into the "unethical casual BDSM" group, labeled a troll, and gave up. At first it really bothered me because I really would like to discuss the topic he keeps rephrasing and reverting back to, minus all of the "the casual community is EVIL" bits, but I don't think it will ever happen. Shame.

And I'm done. My time is too precious to be spent any longer hoping some one can participate in a conversation with out turning everything around to prove he is a martyr.

 

[BLoved]

(post edited: posting private messages is prohibited per rule #4)

 

[BLoved]

Open letter to Etoile and Laurel, in response to Etoile's "Final Warning":

Re: Final warning

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It has been more than obvious to one and all that I have been subjected to months of verbal abuse and harassment at the hands of the trolls in BDSM Talk.

The misapplication of existing rules and the creation of new ones which you refuse to provide links for demonstrates a simple urge to have me banned, and to create enough rules to provide an excuse to cover up censorship.

We are now to believe that a discussion which uses a bdsm story as an example can only occur in BDSM Talk if we provide a link, not the text verbatim, despite the fact you claimed to move my discussion to Story Feedback because, according to you, I was trying to discuss a BDSM story in BDSM Talk.

Despite the fact I started several on-topic discussions in BDSM Talk and there is no posted rule regarding the number of discussions we can start, I was accused of "flooding" and the discussions merged.

Now I am threatened with something called "slow-motion flooding", one discussion a day on "similar topics", despite the fact that the topics of recent posts have differed and were all on-topic.

Any objective examination of any thread I've started will reveal copious amounts of verbal abuse from the trolls, and the quote you've cited is an appropriate response to such efforts.

Indeed, it actually slowed down such comments and gave the trolls reason to reconsider their approach.

Now I am told I cannot respond appropriately to the verbal abuse.

Etoile, you have been a participant in this verbal abuse since before you became a mod for BDSM Talk. You were responsible for many attempts to hi-jack my discussions with the posting of cat pictures, alone with verbal abuse. Your personal animosity was established long ago.

This is clearly an effort to censor someone who not only disagrees with the cherished beliefs of your friends, but who can effectively argue his position and withstand verbal abuse for months.

In my opinion you are irresponsible with your powers in BDSM Talk. Inventing rules and public threats of suspension/banishment have made a joke out of any claim to trying to promote diversity and free speech in BDSM Talk. You are simply trying to limit any use of the board to those the trolls aprove of, and should you be successful the trolls will be even more encouraged to treat others the way they have treated me.

Instead of a public board, use of the board will be limited to only those the trolls approve of ... in other words they will 'own' the forum and you will execute their demands.

I am submitting delete requests for my three published stories due to the egregious vote-rigging conducted by the trolls. I suggest your forego any effort to pretend to have legitimate cause to banish me and simply ignore any commitment to diversity and free speech.

Censorship would be a lot easier for you if you simply admit that the trolls will never rest until all other brands of BDSM but theirs are silenced.

Laurel: I will be hapy to provide citations for all of this, but to be honest I doubt you have the time or inclination to actually do the research to ensure you've placed an honest and objective person in the position of mod for BDSM Talk, nor do I expect you to remove a mod you've chosen for the board. I am sure Etoile is counting on both as she has frequently encouraged me to contact you with respect to her decisions.

To be honest, I expect the only outcome will be banishment, honesty and integrity being as scarce as they are in the modern world.

However, I will continue to respond to verbal abuse as is quoted in the citation below. If anyone has been bumping my discussions to the top of the board it is the trolls who feel a need to post abuse, not me for responding to the abuse.

Do as you will.

Strategies

Paint a Rosy Picture

Control the medium, and you control the message.

The casual community has learned this lesson well.

By ensuring they are in positions of control: site owners, group owners, moderators, etc they are in a position to ensure only the message they want others to hear will be heard, and no other.

From this position they can make any claim, and as they have the authority to control what is heard, dissent is never heard.

And anyone who doesn't get with the program can be made an example of for others.

-- Excerpt from "Casual 'BDSM' and Emotional Abuse: The Case for Love"

 

[flesh4fancy]

BLoved asked me to post the following on his behalf:

You have been banned for the following reason:
No reason was specified.

Date the ban will be lifted: Never

"Free speech"? "Diversity"?

You people don't know the meaning of the words.

 

[MisterSir]

BLoved asked me to post the following on his behalf:

Oh, drop the charade and fuck off.

 

[Leopald]

Meh. I'm sure I would care more if he wasn't such a close-minded asshat.

Treat people like shit and break forum rules, then cry foul and overwhelming matyrdom when you get banned.

G fucking G.

 

[flesh4poop]

BLoved asked me to post the following on his behalf:



"Free speech"? "Diversity"?

You people don't know the meaning of the words.

BLoved asked me to tell you to cease and desist. He has spent a great deal of time crafting a public image, and you are besmirching it!

Please stop immediately, or risk BLoved's flying monkeys.