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Lloyd2004 said:
I guess it is a matter of what turns you on, I must admit I am into a more equal opportunity sort of sex,
Where you "play the game" as you feel it at the time.
Like which ever partner feels like it gets a turn at being"Master" if you like to put it that way.
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There are a lot of people in the world who feel the way you do about BDSM. I've noticed that many of the people that communicate here at Lit, though, are lifestylers. For many of us, this is not a game; it is who we are.
 
Lloyd2004 said:
I guess it is a matter of what turns you on, I must admit I am into a more equal opportunity sort of sex,
Where you "play the game" as you feel it at the time.
Like which ever partner feels like it gets a turn at being"Master" if you like to put it that way.
I have been with lots of "Hookers" in my life, but I do not know how it would be in some of the scenes which are presented in this thread.
I have not come across many "Humble hookers" well any that I can recall.
Just poor fucks, fair fucks, good fucks , and a very few really good fucks.
That is how it is to me.
Where do I find one of these "Sub" type hookers?
It does sound like fun.
I like to try everything erotic! Do you think that when you are playing a role which does not come naturally you may have to think before you act , with out spontaneity. You have done I have not been in the situation, I can see that some may like this sort of submissive sex which would be unusual for hookers.
Where do you get your "Clients"?
I can say when a person goes to a prostitute they just want to fuck, because they are horny. ( Unless they just want some company and talk; but if that is all you want; why pay?) $100 or so for an 1/2 hour chat is awfully expensive chat, hey what?

Lloyd
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fuck this is a good thread ?
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Lloyd, my Master only whored me out for a short time, and it's something he said he has no interest in starting up again (for various reasons). i do believe it was a combination of an internet advertisement and then word of mouth recommendations from other clients, that brought clients in.

like Etoile mentioned, for many of us on this board, this is not a game or something done for sexual kicks. D/s is a serious lifestyle having to do with living true to one's natural Dominant, or submissive nature. and in my relationship anyway, there has never been any sort of role-playing. when i served clients there was no game or playing of any role...it was simply me serving men, and by pleasing them, serving my Master well. usually i did not come close to enjoying the experiences, nor did i pretend to, but i always served to the best of my abilities and always showed sincere gratitude.

as for clients just wanting to f*ck, for some i'm sure that was true, however i think most wanted something a bit harder to find. not just sex, but a release....an opportunity to relax completely and let the primal beast that lies within all men imo, to come out without having a woman freak on them or reject them. there was one client who wanted me to orally worship his body, from head to toes. He needed the experience of a woman kneeling before him and almost paying homage to him. and this was a very attractive, confident, younger man who could have gotten sex quite easily from any attractive woman he desired. i have to say, none of the clients were men who could not "get any" without paying for it. some things are just harder to find...true submission being one of them. :)
 
I did not mean to imply that it is a game to those who are involved in these serious relationships, but we all live in a world where each is motivated by different things, desires, wants needs ect.
We have to fit in and adapt to life and to our sexual lives as best we can. Some find where they want to be in life (like you), and others never succeed in finding what they want or really like.
I have found a lot of what I wanted at different stages of my life , and it has been fun; perhaps that is because of my attitude to life.
I like everything to be as enjoyable to me and those I am involved with, it does not always work out just the way I would like it to but I sure have had fun trying!
I love this thread because on the different tastes and involvement of those who have taken the time to put up their own VALID point of view, to each his or her own and good on them for having the courage to express it here, so many do not and are so much poorer for it. I think and I trust that you will appreciate my point of view.
Lloyd
Some where in the lines of time.
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Etoile said:
There are a lot of people in the world who feel the way you do about BDSM. I've noticed that many of the people that communicate here at Lit, though, are lifestylers. For many of us, this is not a game; it is who we are.
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I do not mean that it is a "game" like role playing for the night , I meant to refer to the "Game of life " and how you play it.
See my post above.
I respect the different styles of relationships each person has.We are all diferent, and ( I think) need to understand where each of us is coming from.
The more communication here is the better our understanding of the different life styles that surround us and this should tell us how to relate to others better. If we try and understand their point of view and not react with out trying to find out more.
I have found out a great deal from this thread, and like I said it has been FUN for me and I trust that I am all the better for it in my relationships with others.

It is better to respect each other than to make judgements with out facts to back them up, am not at all sure that we should judge others at all. Just accept them as whom they are and how they present them serlves to us.
Thanks to all who have responded to the thread and to the person who started it. It is great!
Lloyd
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ownedsubgal said:
prostitution isn't about "randomness", it is about sex for money, period.

as has been mentioned, it is not at ALL uncommon for a Master in the D/s lifestyle to whore out his submissive/slave. and i agree with incubus' sub in that, if the Master is a loving one, this is a much safer situation than that of the typical streetwalker. now how can safety be assured? first, by being selective about clients. second, by the Dominant possibly being there during the service. or, having a strict time limit and calling throughout to make sure things are alright. also careful tracking of the client, such as secretly taking down personal information such as place of work and license plate numbers.

no PR skills are needed by the submissive in such a situation. likely, she does not get to speak with the client at all. also, it has nothing whatever to do with her liking it or getting off from the humiliation...for many, it is simply what they must do because it is what their Master wills.
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I should have responded to this before, a prostitute who makes a living from sex has to take great risks ;she does NOT have the assurance that she will be safe with the clients she has to be with it;It is a professional risk she has to take. It is fate or random selection of the client that decides what will happen to her.
I do NOT think that for a "sub" to be doing this under the protection of her "DOM" is quite the same as that of a professional prostitute who relies on selling sex just to survive in the stream of life.
It is her bread and butter, a matter of survival in a harsh and often unjust world in which we live.
Do not forget YOU are playing a game she is not; it is real to her and some times her very existance depends on the actions she takes.
Please to not respond that it is not a game to you; because it is it is a game your Dom is playing with you. That is the truth.
You are not in it for a living and that is what really counts.
That is just how life is, and to each his or her own. (I have assumed that the prostitute in female (the same applies to the male).
Lloyd
 
Some of what you say is true for many Lloyd...there are many who do this as part of a game, be it for humiliation, thrill, degradation, testing the sub, and many more reasons I expect. That being said, it is not so for all, and more so not necessarily a game for the sub, especially if s/he is the one expected to fulfil these desires regardless of their own preferences. Then there are some Dominants I have met who look specifically for subs they can put out as sex workers, the money they earn going toward their keep and the fortunes of the Dominant, and as a fulltime profession, not just a couple of nights a week, occasionally, or for a short period of time....for those subs sex work becomes a requisite for the relationship with the Dominant to continue and a very real profession.

That is often a very hard life to live and survive, perhaps more so than a regular sex worker who has choice because firstly it may not be the sub's preferred choice or in their control to choose, and as osg says, it often comes with service going beyond the average sexual services provided by the mainstream worker. The traditional myth exists of women doing sex work simply because they have no choice, but apart from those who use it to feed an addiction or are forced by abusive partners, most do have a choice now and alternatives..granted, often the money they can earn will make sex work a more lucrative and attractive choice, but it still is a choice more than a necessity.

It is now not uncommon to find women in this line of work who have made an informed choice, enjoy the work, and can pick and choose who they service and who they don't, when they work and when they take a night off because they feel like it. In many places sex work has become a very powerful position for a woman as long as she takes the time to educate herself about her rights and the law, and has the ability to use them to her advantage and safety. For instance, in Queensland it is now the legal right of the worker to demand payment if on arrival at a booking the client decides they don't want the service anymore...once it would have been the worker's bad luck. It is a changing profession, hopefully for the better.

Catalina:rose:
 
catalina_francisco said:
Some of what you say is true for many Lloyd...there are many who do this as part of a game, be it for humiliation, thrill, degradation, testing the sub, and many more reasons I expect. That being said, it is not so for all, and more so not necessarily a game for the sub, especially if s/he is the one expected to fulfil these desires regardless of their own preferences. Then there are some Dominants I have met who look specifically for subs they can put out as sex workers, the money they earn going toward their keep and the fortunes of the Dominant, and as a fulltime profession, not just a couple of nights a week, occasionally, or for a short period of time....for those subs sex work becomes a requisite for the relationship with the Dominant to continue and a very real profession.

That is often a very hard life to live and survive, perhaps more so than a regular sex worker who has choice because firstly it may not be the sub's preferred choice or in their control to choose, and as osg says, it often comes with service going beyond the average sexual services provided by the mainstream worker. The traditional myth exists of women doing sex work simply because they have no choice, but apart from those who use it to feed an addiction or are forced by abusive partners, most do have a choice now and alternatives..granted, often the money they can earn will make sex work a more lucrative and attractive choice, but it still is a choice more than a necessity.

It is now not uncommon to find women in this line of work who have made an informed choice, enjoy the work, and can pick and choose who they service and who they don't, when they work and when they take a night off because they feel like it. In many places sex work has become a very powerful position for a woman as long as she takes the time to educate herself about her rights and the law, and has the ability to use them to her advantage and safety. For instance, in Queensland it is now the legal right of the worker to demand payment if on arrival at a booking the client decides they don't want the service anymore...once it would have been the worker's bad luck. It is a changing profession, hopefully for the better.

Catalina:rose:
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Yes, i agree with most of your post. Nearly without exception I have been with asked that I at least show them that I had the cash to pay (or credit card) in advance, I do not think that this is unreasonable, most have left the money on the dresser until the end of the session. One took it out to some people in a car who then left, she did come back; but for a while I thought I had lost my cash. That was in Queensland where it was totally illegal and we were both taking some risk at the time. Who knows who had to be paid off then?
The standard of prostitute in Queensland was always much superior to N.S.W and A C T. It did not matter if was before it was legal or afterwards the service was about the same.
I did not mean to imply that it was a game for the sub but it is for the DOM, after all he sets the rules for the sub. No matter what his motives are. Be it money; personal pleasure or whatever.
I did not use prostitutes who obviously took drugs, most I had dealings with did it because the money was good and the could set the times and days they worked, some could work around the times their children were home which meant that they could devote lots of good time to looking after the children, which I thought was quite commendable and a very good choice for them to make.
I have never had what I would say was a dodgy moment using prostitutes, even when I was present when high ranking police officers were being paid off.
The industry or that section I used was on the surface well run.
I know impressions can be deceiveing but the same girls seemed to be there for quite some time. I have never used what would be termed "Street walkers" I have always gone to them or thay have come to me. Sex is getting cheaper no matter how you get it, be it in a relationship or on a cash for service basis.
lloyd
 
catalina_francisco said:
Then there are some Dominants I have met who look specifically for subs they can put out as sex workers, the money they earn going toward their keep and the fortunes of the Dominant, and as a fulltime profession, not just a couple of nights a week, occasionally, or for a short period of time....for those subs sex work becomes a requisite for the relationship with the Dominant to continue and a very real profession.
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I don't call that a D/s relationship as in a loving relationship. It is a working relationship. If the sex work is requisite for the relationship to continue, then there presumably isn't a personal love or even care given from the dom to the sub. The dom is a pimp, the sub is a hooker. Even if they live together, if their relationship is based on sex work and there is no love exchange at all, I don't consider that a couple. It's a boss/employee relationship.
 
Etoile said:
I don't call that a D/s relationship as in a loving relationship. It is a working relationship. If the sex work is requisite for the relationship to continue, then there presumably isn't a personal love or even care given from the dom to the sub. The dom is a pimp, the sub is a hooker. Even if they live together, if their relationship is based on sex work and there is no love exchange at all, I don't consider that a couple. It's a boss/employee relationship.
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Once upon a time I would have agreed, but I am not so sure anymore. I can see where it is a requisite that is legit simply because it is the kink/fantasy of the Dominant, and hopefully the sub......similar to a sadist who specifies the sub must be a masochist to hope to maintain the relationship. If it is specified before the relationship begins, where does it exclude caring? Add to that not all D/s is based on love and it can be just as legitimate a requirement as any other....and also that having a partner who engages in sex work does not mean you do not or cannot love them. What if the Dominant (or sub/slave) had been part of the sex industry before the relationship? These are all questions that have presented themselves when I have examined this type D/s.

There are also many vanilla partners of sex workers who love their partners deeply and are concerned for their welfare, and still accept the sex work as a career choice...in D/s there are the extensions to that whereby the Dominant can have the right to decide if the sub/slave works or not, and in what profession or capacity. I once had the opportunity to be with such a Dominant and declined....he was open about his preferences before the relationship even got to go anywhere so if i had agreed I could never have claimed later he had mislead or used me against my will. I don't know, I tend to think these days it is just as valid a choice as any other in the D/s universe as long as like other tastes it is declared upfront and not after the relationship has deepened and been established. For instance, if the Dominant owned a small business and expected the sub/slave to work in that business, would that mean it was just an employer/employee relationship?:confused:

Catalina :rose:
 
catalina_francisco said:
Once upon a time I would have agreed, but I am not so sure anymore. I can see where it is a requisite that is legit simply because it is the kink/fantasy of the Dominant, and hopefully the sub......similar to a sadist who specifies the sub must be a masochist to hope to maintain the relationship. If it is specified before the relationship begins, where does it exclude caring? Add to that not all D/s is based on love and it can be just as legitimate a requirement as any other....and also that having a partner who engages in sex work does not mean you do not or cannot love them. What if the Dominant (or sub/slave) had been part of the sex industry before the relationship? These are all questions that have presented themselves when I have examined this type D/s.

There are also many vanilla partners of sex workers who love their partners deeply and are concerned for their welfare, and still accept the sex work as a career choice...in D/s there are the extensions to that whereby the Dominant can have the right to decide if the sub/slave works or not, and in what profession or capacity. I once had the opportunity to be with such a Dominant and declined....he was open about his preferences before the relationship even got to go anywhere so if i had agreed I could never have claimed later he had mislead or used me against my will. I don't know, I tend to think these days it is just as valid a choice as any other in the D/s universe as long as like other tastes it is declared upfront and not after the relationship has deepened and been established. For instance, if the Dominant owned a small business and expected the sub/slave to work in that business, would that mean it was just an employer/employee relationship?:confused:

Catalina :rose:
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Hmmm, I can see where you are coming from. I thought we were referring to a relationship where the sex work was the basis for the relationship. If there is no personal interest in one another, then I see it it as an employer/employee relationship.
 
It has been fascinating reading this thread that started quite a ways back. I thought I would add my $.02

First, to Mr. Blonde's original questions:

> Would you ever sell yourself to another person for money?

I can not imagine it so but if I think very hard...it's a definite maybe.

> Would you ever pay money to buy another person?

Yes. Come on Power Ball!

> Why or why not?

I took Mr. Blonde's questions in the context of him being a dominant (please forgive me for not abiding by the capitalization conventions - it's so, well, strenuous to hit the shift key sometimes...) in a loving, consensual lifestyle relationship.

So would I sell myself to someone? Maybe. Depends on the buyer and the buyer's intent for the use of their "product." Though I consider myself dominant I have known several older women who I would surrender to in a heartbeat if they asked.

My perception of the question was that we're talking a lifetime - or a very long - relationship with someone who is safe, sane and consensual, to invoke the mantra, and NOT a cash exchange for short (in my case, very short - "Fred Garvin: Male Prostitute" on the old "Saturday Night Live" show looks like a real stud compared to me) term sexual "service."

Would I want to buy someone? Most definitely. To what purpose, considering I'm fat, ugly and in generally poor health at age 45?
First, for the same reason I married my wife of 23 years - namely loving companionship and care. But there are things that my wife would never do under any circumstances coming from her conservative religious upbringing and her current value system.

So am I saying I only want someone for sex? Well, yes and no. I want my "purchase" to have a genuine love and care for me - as I would have for her. That's a pre-req for me. I've paid for sex with prostitutes twice in my life and it was the most unsatisfying experience I've ever had. I derive the bulk of my pleasure in sex from my largest - and so far my most functional - sex organ: my brain. I revel in the beauty of a woman, regardless of size, shape, creed or national origin. To be cliched, there is nothing more beautiful in the world than the face of a woman in pain and/or orgasm. So like it is written of Salvadore Dahli, I would like to masturbate at a party while the partygoers ravish my "purchase" and I see her enjoyment in the abandonment of herself - at my whim - and the pleasures of her own body.

Which brings me to Mr. Blonde's last question: Does "forced" prostitution play a factor?

Not a major one, no. But the desire to "whore out" my "purchase" is extremely arousing to me. And while the physical sexual component is in that arrangement, also, in my frame of reference, is the idea that she wants to be whored out for her pleasure and mine and as a show of faith and trust in each others' love.

I have a recurring fantasy about several young women (early to late 20's) whom, when I win the Power Ball and can afford this, I would approach about "an arrangement." She learns and loves the lifestyle. I am her master and she is my slave. (More on word choice in a moment) I'll pay her bills, allow her to see and be intimate with other men and women, but still our lives and sexuality are intimately entwined no matter whom is fucking whom, etc. I'll be dead or divorced before that fantasy ever comes to fruition but a guy can dream, can't he?

As to using the word "purchase" - this is probably off thread though I've seen some dancing around this side issue. There is a writer on Lit who is an African American and fiercely, I mean really fiercely, opposed to using racially stereotyped words like slave.

I take the WASP position that, as far as I am aware, none of my ancestors were social slaves and so I tend to be grotesquely insensitive to this splitting of hairs on words. I think slave and submissive in the context that we write here in this board and in our stories are both tremendously erotic words that invoke in me a love and appreciation of a woman and quite frankly just thinking about those words gets me as hard as I can get without medication. I do not think in terms of American slavery.

I think maybe my side point here is that in talking about buying another human being or selling another human being into sexual slavery in the context of lifestyle BDSM, we need to think about what those persons are to us and have we crossed some sort of line wherein we have objectified the person(s) we alledgedly love with our own lives. And therein lies a potential danger to be aware of.

Anyway...
 
Bound, on August 3, asked/made an interesting comment in response to someone who did not think sex was intimate but simply animal and primal. She wondered how sex could not be intimate.

I would say intimacy, in the context of the questions we are discussing, is kinda a strange, rare bird. It's a bit like considering time travel in a sci-fi story or movie. In my personal relationship with my wife, the more rough, more "primal" we have gotten it seems to deepen our intimacy in a way that - good Lord, how pretentious is this going to sound - is almost transcendent versus when we make nice (genuinely) "vanilla" love.

I mention context because if we move from our little community here into a violent, real world rape context, I think there still is a clear cut intimacy but one that is unspeakably horrorific for the victim versus the the unspeakably beautiful and tender intimacy between lovers.

Time travel stories and movies give me a headache. And so does thinking about intimacy like this so I will type no more.

For what(ever)'s worth...

Jubal
 
Hi Lloyd, yes, she is pretty isn't she.

I have a different perspective to osg. We are both owned, but here we see the unique qualities of different relationships. When my Master decides I am to be a prostitute it will probably be just as a "normal" one, not a sub slut unless specifically requested & substancially paid for.

My needs & his would be met simply by the act of selling me. The client would never know I am a sub from the service he received. Indeed I could probably do a really convincing dominatrix if required, or anything else that tickled his fancy LOL. For us, the idea is for me to be used by many, however they wish to use me, for money, although the money is less important to my Master than the many !

Off topic somewhat, but possibly worth saying here.
Being a sub though, is not the same as being available. I'm not being rude here but sometimes people with little experience of the lifestyle can become confused. An owned sub will not serve you without being directed to by their Master, a single sub will decide for herself if you are worthy enough to serve in any way. Just being male & being there does not make anything automatic.
 
incubus'_sub said:
Hi Lloyd, yes, she is pretty isn't she.

I have a different perspective to osg. We are both owned, but here we see the unique qualities of different relationships. When my Master decides I am to be a prostitute it will probably be just as a "normal" one, not a sub slut unless specifically requested & substancially paid for.

My needs & his would be met simply by the act of selling me. The client would never know I am a sub from the service he received. Indeed I could probably do a really convincing dominatrix if required, or anything else that tickled his fancy LOL. For us, the idea is for me to be used by many, however they wish to use me, for money, although the money is less important to my Master than the many !

Off topic somewhat, but possibly worth saying here.
Being a sub though, is not the same as being available. I'm not being rude here but sometimes people with little experience of the lifestyle can become confused. An owned sub will not serve you without being directed to by their Master, a single sub will decide for herself if you are worthy enough to serve in any way. Just being male & being there does not make anything automatic.
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:) Well said i_s.BTW you have a PM

Catalina:rose:
 
AdrianBlack said:
Has anyone been to Amsterdam's Red-Light District?
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LOL, yes....a few times. Masterful One was teasingly seized by 2 of the workers but didn't complain much.:)

Catalina:rose:
 
incubus'_sub said:
Hi Lloyd, yes, she is pretty isn't she.

I have a different perspective to osg. We are both owned, but here we see the unique qualities of different relationships. When my Master decides I am to be a prostitute it will probably be just as a "normal" one, not a sub slut unless specifically requested & substancially paid for.

My needs & his would be met simply by the act of selling me. The client would never know I am a sub from the service he received. Indeed I could probably do a really convincing dominatrix if required, or anything else that tickled his fancy LOL. For us, the idea is for me to be used by many, however they wish to use me, for money, although the money is less important to my Master than the many !

Off topic somewhat, but possibly worth saying here.
Being a sub though, is not the same as being available. I'm not being rude here but sometimes people with little experience of the lifestyle can become confused. An owned sub will not serve you without being directed to by their Master, a single sub will decide for herself if you are worthy enough to serve in any way. Just being male & being there does not make anything automatic.
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Your last para. was well worth saying, every point is interesting
You are a very versatile person and I greatly appreciate your comments, and I am pleased that you agreed with my comment at the start, she is very pretty.
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Lloyd
 
Originally posted by evesdream
There's this website that reviews prostitutes (in terms of looks, price, attitude, overall value, etc.), and it has message boards, which have become my latest obsession. In it, a lot of misogynist guys talk smack about women whom they both hate and desire, and resent for having to pay for sex. It's horro-tastic (i.e., so horrible, you can't look away). Recently one of the male posters there propositioned me in a private message wondering if he could meet me as a Service Provider (which is the PC way to say prostitute on these boards) at home or at a hotel.
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URL, Evesdream, URL!!! :) (If you don't want to send it publically, just PM me.)

I've lurked in message boards that were about cam girls who charged for their cams. A similar dynamic there: hate, desire, resentment. The moderators eventually had to put in place "rules" about flaming the camgirls. What seems to happen is that people become "fans" of certain camgirls and then they try to become their special friends in the girl's chatroom. The experienced camgirls keep such men at a polite distance because once they enter her "friends" fold their demands to her for plain old attention (as well as for in-person meetings and cybersex) skyrocket. Some camgirl sites have one general chatroom for all the cams, and those are just chaos: intense hostility and snippy remarks made by the consumers toward the performers and by the performers toward other performers, and all sorts of gossips and intrigues, ala the general board in this forum, happen.

Someone (Lloyd?) wanted to know where to find pro submissives. There's a huge word-of-mouth network, and they are also often connected with kinky dungeon clubs, but like pro dominants, they have their own presence on the Internet. Here is a directory I stumbled upon the other day:

http://www.professionalsubmissives.com/directory.htm

I haven't looked closely at this website, but I see they have a link for "forums" at the bottom of the page. I wonder if the talk there is anything like what Evesdream and Rosco have observed in the straight prostitute forums?

Taint
 
 
 
No

No, No, No.

Why would I sell or buy what is a gift and expression of love to each other?
 
This has been a fasinating thread Thank you all.

There are several quotes here that would fit on the Dom/Me or Sub thought for the day threads.
 
Being disabled, I've paid for sex in the past, and can't wait to do it again. Knowing I can function in bed completed me...
 
cpk50 said:
Being disabled, I've paid for sex in the past, and can't wait to do it again. Knowing I can function in bed completed me...
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Thanks for your comments, we all pay for sex one way or the other, like you said it makes us complete and feeling well within ourselves , for some one in your position it must be great to be able to feel good. That is what life is about !
I do hope you can find love too , and make your life really complete; but as you said sex is good!
My best wishes go out to you! Thanks for shareing.
Lloyd
:)
 
cpk50 said:
Being disabled, I've paid for sex in the past, and can't wait to do it again. Knowing I can function in bed completed me...
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If you're a member of LiveJournal, please stop in at the disabled sex community:
http://www.livejournal.com/users/gimpysex

(I run the community now, but I wasn't its original moderator. "gimpysex" was chosen by the community's creator.)
 
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