Prostitution

[Lloyd2004]

Being a good prostitute is a very skilled profession, your PR skills have to be very good.
If there is any force being applied you could not be good at it, not only that you have to be dominant or you would quickly get abused quite badly by the clients, I doubt that a "SUB" could handle the role reversal.... Your thoughts would be appreciated.
Lloyd

 

[Lloyd2004]

me three!

Oii, you CAN milk a rat!

 

[incubus'_sub]

Yes, I knew you were referring to Shelle's post, but on this board you will find some subs who would allow themselves to be forced into prostitution for their Doms, myself being one of them. Yes, it is a part of a couple, but will not change the reality of the act.
For other subs this would be a hard limit, to each their own.

On the contrary, a forced sub will make every effort to be the best they can be at any action directed by their Dom, therefore they may indeed become excellent whores. A careful Dom would of course be selective about clients, therefore I believe there would be less danger to a sub in this situation than a regular street girl with a pimp.

Many, many subs are in fact accomplished, intelligent and educated and many of us have quite assertive personalities in the outside world as well, therefore there would be no problem whatsoever with the role reversal.

 

[Lloyd2004]

Yes, I knew you were referring to Shelle's post, but on this board you will find some subs who would allow themselves to be forced into prostitution for their Doms, myself being one of them. Yes, it is a part of a couple, but will not change the reality of the act.
For other subs this would be a hard limit, to each their own.

On the contrary, a forced sub will make every effort to be the best they can be at any action directed by their Dom, therefore they may indeed become excellent whores. A careful Dom would of course be selective about clients, therefore I believe there would be less danger to a sub in this situation than a regular street girl with a pimp.

Many, many subs are in fact accomplished, intelligent and educated and many of us have quite assertive personalities in the outside world as well, therefore there would be no problem whatsoever with the role reversal.

A most interesting point of view I have no doubt that they would all try hard at being good.
You have an excellent point that some like yourself can cope and other would not .
I have been with quite a few prostitutes their capabilities vary considerably some O.K. a few damm awful, a very very few outa this world.
Just a question , how would the Dom know how the client would treat the sub, a true hooker has to take jobs at random and make her or his judgement if they should go through with it when they meet the client. If the randomness is not there I do not see how you could call it prostitution.
Just forced sex for money.
This is most interesting to me. This is a world I have never considered.

 

[catalina_francisco]

It is interesting that here there are actual seminar type presentations on all you need to know to become a sex worker, from safety to health factors to options for finding clients. I think there are similar set ups in Oz through sex worker support organisations, though they are not as openly publicised or organised as a regular ongoing resource. I was lucky enough while going to university to have attended a 4 hour tutorial where sex workers educated those attending on the realities of their work, both good and bad, and were open to answering any questions presented. It was one of the best tutes I ever went to. Unfortunately there were those who just could not handle it and left before it barely began...their loss IMO.

Catalina

 

[Lloyd2004]

It is interesting that here there are actual seminar type presentations on all you need to know to become a sex worker, from safety to health factors to options for finding clients. I think there are similar set ups in Oz through sex worker support organisations, though they are not as openly publicised or organised as a regular ongoing resource. I was lucky enough while going to university to have attended a 4 hour tutorial where sex workers educated those attending on the realities of their work, both good and bad, and were open to answering any questions presented. It was one of the best tutes I ever went to. Unfortunately there were those who just could not handle it and left before it barely began...their loss IMO.

Catalina

Gee they did not do that kinda stuff at my Uni., I would have liked to attend one of those .
Some of the girls I went to uni with, paid for the courses and accomodation by prostitution, damm pity I am not a girl,it would have been a cool way to pay my fees.
I love fucking , I would have no problems being paid to do it.
Lloyd

 

[ownedsubgal]

prostitution isn't about "randomness", it is about sex for money, period.

as has been mentioned, it is not at ALL uncommon for a Master in the D/s lifestyle to whore out his submissive/slave. and i agree with incubus' sub in that, if the Master is a loving one, this is a much safer situation than that of the typical streetwalker. now how can safety be assured? first, by being selective about clients. second, by the Dominant possibly being there during the service. or, having a strict time limit and calling throughout to make sure things are alright. also careful tracking of the client, such as secretly taking down personal information such as place of work and license plate numbers.

no PR skills are needed by the submissive in such a situation. likely, she does not get to speak with the client at all. also, it has nothing whatever to do with her liking it or getting off from the humiliation...for many, it is simply what they must do because it is what their Master wills.

 

[Curtis254]

Isn't it still selling your body? Just because there is no penetration doesn't change the act.

You're selling gratification, they're buying.

On that basis...

Getting a job and getting paid for your time/work is also a form of prostitution..

A hand job... hmmm.. time and work.. getting paid.. still prostitution..

just a note.. see my next post to hear more about my answers to the original question...

Curtis

 

[Curtis254]

Would you ever sell yourself to another person for money?

I guess I can say that a number of years ago I did just that. But a couple of times it was for dinner or drinks, or clothes. and as I was in my 20's, it was older business women I was with.

One woman, I was with, I was very attracted to, and she was a customer where I worked. Somehow we got to the subject of relationships, sex and even some talk about woman taking a guy out to dinner or as her escort for the evening, and the next thing I knew she was asking for my number and we got together for a nice dinner out, and when I took her home.. she invited me in and we actually did it on the floor in her den. a couple of times she just came over to my place, we would have sex, and then as she left, she would leave some money on the kitchen table.

I didnt always get money from her, sometimes we would go to the Mall and she would buy me shirts or slacks.. sometimes just a meal (Heck, I would have made love to her just for the fun, she was very attractive.) In fact, at one point we were getting together every weekend, and no gifts or money at all.. I was hoping it would go further.. but she didnt want a relationship.. just sex.. no oral.. just straight intercourse.. she said it was only the sex that she wanted from our relationship.

At one point, I was living not to far from a nice hotel in Scottsdale, and when I was in the lounge, I had a number of attractive older women send me drinks, or offer me dinner in exchange for my "company".. I enjoyed it.. and wouldnt think of it as bad, or wrong.. (too bad I cant make a living at it now... LOL)

Would you ever pay money to buy another person?

I did in college... we had local massage parlours, some were just that, some were actually "houses of ill repute". I had a few experiences with both.

 

[Lloyd2004]

prostitution isn't about "randomness", it is about sex for money, period.

as has been mentioned, it is not at ALL uncommon for a Master in the D/s lifestyle to whore out his submissive/slave. and i agree with incubus' sub in that, if the Master is a loving one, this is a much safer situation than that of the typical streetwalker. now how can safety be assured? first, by being selective about clients. second, by the Dominant possibly being there during the service. or, having a strict time limit and calling throughout to make sure things are alright. also careful tracking of the client, such as secretly taking down personal information such as place of work and license plate numbers.

no PR skills are needed by the submissive in such a situation. likely, she does not get to speak with the client at all. also, it has nothing whatever to do with her liking it or getting off from the humiliation...for many, it is simply what they must do because it is what their Master wills.

I would never ever ever have sex with a hooker when any one else was there (that I did not know). I value my life a little more than that. To take absurd risks like that, Good tap on the head ,My money gone, me dead or badly injured.
Hookers do have to talk, at least all the ones I have been with do.Lloyd

 

[incubus'_sub]

LOL, Lloyd, it's quite possible that you have, you just weren't aware of the other person being in the vicinity. Had you started to damage the goods in some way that presence would have become visible fairly quickly. Safety goes both ways.

I actually know very little about it, not having been placed in that situation yet. I do know that I would be kept as safe as possible, but anything we ever do has risks of some sort. Just driving to the rendevous would probably entail just as much risk if you think about it.

 

[ownedsubgal]

I would never ever ever have sex with a hooker when any one else was there (that I did not know). I value my life a little more than that. To take absurd risks like that, Good tap on the head ,My money gone, me dead or badly injured.
Hookers do have to talk, at least all the ones I have been with do.Lloyd

Lloyd, i think you are thinking "hoooker/streetwalker"..and not thinking submissive or slave. there is a huge difference between a hooker, and a slave who is being whored out by her Master. a hooker talks, a hooker negotiates, a hooker is more often than not able to take care of herself and takes measures to watch her own back. a slave being whored out by their Master has no need to talk, other than to say "yes Sir" when required, and has no power in the situation whatsoever. as for it being dangerous for you to have sex with a hooker in say a "pimp's" presence, that may be true. but the only danger in having sex with a slave in the Master's presence would be if you attempted to harm the slave.

 

[Justina123]

Ever seen that movie with Robert Redford and Demi Moore (sorry, I'm awful with titles, and pretty darn unusual that I remembered the actors), where he pays her 1 million dollars for one night? I spent the whole movie thinking, "What's WRONG with her and her husband? This is a NO brainer, go for it!"

For significant money, and of course if I were reasonably assured of there being no threat to my health and safety, you bet your life, I wouldn't have to think twice. Why not?

Of couse, I realize this was just a movie and most "johns" do not look or act like Robert Redford, lol.

justina

P.S. I did not read through all five pages of the thread, so my apologies if this movie has already been mentioned.

 

[Lloyd2004]

Lloyd, i think you are thinking "hoooker/streetwalker"..and not thinking submissive or slave. there is a huge difference between a hooker, and a slave who is being whored out by her Master. a hooker talks, a hooker negotiates, a hooker is more often than not able to take care of herself and takes measures to watch her own back. a slave being whored out by their Master has no need to talk, other than to say "yes Sir" when required, and has no power in the situation whatsoever. as for it being dangerous for you to have sex with a hooker in say a "pimp's" presence, that may be true. but the only danger in having sex with a slave in the Master's presence would be if you attempted to harm the slave.

Yes I have no problem with what you are saying, you are doing it in a controled situation which would not only be safe for you; and also just so erotic.
I do understand where you are comeing from ; I can only admire you for that.
I would not have any problems with the situation as you describe it. That is an entirely different situation to what I was on about ;as you sumised I think. As a matter of fact I think it would be a great turn on for the "Client". If he/she had an idea ( BUT WAS NOT SURE)what was happening.
Sounds so so sexy and depraved!
Wow the more I think about the more I appreciate your point of view
Thanks for enlightening me on a situation I have never (that I know of) encounted.
Lloyd

 

[incubus'_sub]

With regards to stranger client prostitution as opposed to, say, being used for Master's enjoyment by his friends, I'd say that as the client is paying, then his needs & enjoyment should be considered first.

Whilst there would be some who would enjoy the situation as Lloyd has said he would, perhaps others would feel used themselves. People use prostitutes for many different reasons, but I doubt that turning on the hooker & her boyfriend would often be one of them LOL. If you are paying for such a very personal service I'd think you were entitled to believe, however erroneously, that you yourself was the centre of all the attention.

 

[Lloyd2004]

With regards to stranger client prostitution as opposed to, say, being used for Master's enjoyment by his friends, I'd say that as the client is paying, then his needs & enjoyment should be considered first.

Whilst there would be some who would enjoy the situation as Lloyd has said he would, perhaps others would feel used themselves. People use prostitutes for many different reasons, but I doubt that turning on the hooker & her boyfriend would often be one of them LOL. If you are paying for such a very personal service I'd think you were entitled to believe, however erroneously, that you yourself was the centre of all the attention.

Sure I would feel used, but if the performance was good, I would not complain. Like I said previously a prostitute ( I mean; a good one) is very professional. They have good P.R. skills; make the client feel good , encourage him /her to relax, and make the atmosphere feel good so the sex is good. It is not an easy business if you are not good at it. It takes skill, good judgement and you have to enjoy what you are doing (even if you do not feel like it at the time) Prostitutes like to have a steady stream of clients who they know and like having sex with.
That is why I think it would be very hard for a "SUB" to be good at it. I think that a few could do it , but I do not think many clients would be back for another try.
Have a try and see :
That is all I can say.


Lloyd

I may feel like a refund if things were not good!

 

[Lloyd2004]

LOL, Lloyd, it's quite possible that you have, you just weren't aware of the other person being in the vicinity. Had you started to damage the goods in some way that presence would have become visible fairly quickly. Safety goes both ways.

I actually know very little about it, not having been placed in that situation yet. I do know that I would be kept as safe as possible, but anything we ever do has risks of some sort. Just driving to the rendevous would probably entail just as much risk if you think about it.

I most certainly would not DAMAGE the goods as you say , I like women and do not approve of violence against them ever, under any circumstances.
(Except if the woman starts the aggression) then she should be restrained as gently as possible. Not like a policeman did when I was a kid, dragged he out of the building by her hair.
Not good.

Lloyd

 

[Lloyd2004]

On that basis...

Getting a job and getting paid for your time/work is also a form of prostitution..

A hand job... hmmm.. time and work.. getting paid.. still prostitution..

just a note.. see my next post to hear more about my answers to the original question...

Curtis

FUCK! We are all HOOKERS!!!!!

 

[catalina_francisco]

The discussion around Masters/Dominants using their sub/slaves as prostitutes is an interesting one. IME, as incubus'_sub has said, the service is delivered with the client's needs coming first as with any sex worker...and as Lloyd says, if the service is not good, there will be little chance of that client returning for more of the same. I have not come across a situation as osg describes where it is not a situation that is designed to humiliate and emphasise control over the sub, but this does not necessarily mean the client is aware of it being anything but a professional service. That is usually part of the challenge...being ordered to perform this as a regular service with no room for delivering less than any other professional would, the emphasis made by the Dominant not being so much on earning money (though it may become a fulltime occupation for the sub), but degrading and humiliating through being made to earn money in that manner.

ROFL, now that also presents a problem if the sub in question actually does not feel it is bad to be a sex worker, the same as a sharing situation is not going to immediately make someone who enjoys having sex with many people easily feel like a whore. It then requires finding the mind link which can bring that feeling out, then sending the sub back to continue with no detrimental effect to the client's satisfaction and comfort.

Of course, there are some clients who get off on a situation of a sub sex worker, who themselves enjoy the part they play in making the sub's job harder (though not always), the feeling they are going to be able to take more liberties than with regular sex workers, and the part they play in making humiliation complete. They will gladly rate the service, some even complaining without just cause knowing the sub will be punished....some will be allowed to witness or administer that punishment as an implied recompense for a badly delivered service. The games can and are endless, with or without the knowledge of the client.

Catalina

 

[Lloyd2004]

The discussion around Masters/Dominants using their sub/slaves as prostitutes is an interesting one. IME, as incubus'_sub has said, the service is delivered with the client's needs coming first as with any sex worker...and as Lloyd says, if the service is not good, there will be little chance of that client returning for more of the same. I have not come across a situation as osg describes where it is not a situation that is designed to humiliate and emphasise control over the sub, but this does not necessarily mean the client is aware of it being anything but a professional service. That is usually part of the challenge...being ordered to perform this as a regular service with no room for delivering less than any other professional would, the emphasis made by the Dominant not being so much on earning money (though it may become a fulltime occupation for the sub), but degrading and humiliating through being made to earn money in that manner.

ROFL, now that also presents a problem if the sub in question actually does not feel it is bad to be a sex worker, the same as a sharing situation is not going to immediately make someone who enjoys having sex with many people easily feel like a whore. It then requires finding the mind link which can bring that feeling out, then sending the sub back to continue with no detrimental effect to the client's satisfaction and comfort.

Of course, there are some clients who get off on a situation of a sub sex worker, who themselves enjoy the part they play in making the sub's job harder (though not always), the feeling they are going to be able to take more liberties than with regular sex workers, and the part they play in making humiliation complete. They will gladly rate the service, some even complaining without just cause knowing the sub will be punished....some will be allowed to witness or administer that punishment as an implied recompense for a badly delivered service. The games can and are endless, with or without the knowledge of the client.

Catalina

Well said!

Lloyd

 

[ownedsubgal]

am loving this topic. as i said, Masters whoring out their slaves is not that uncommon in the D/s lifestyle. why it's done, could be for a myriad of reasons. it could be to humiliate the slave, as Catalina suggested. however all slaves would not find such a situation humiliating. another reason could be just because the Master gets a kick out of it....or it could actually be for the money itself (money for the Master, that is). always, because it is entirely controlled and organized by the Master, it is emphasizing the control over and powerlessness of a slave.

Lloyd, i think you are mistaken in thinking that most submissives would not be "good" at this. to the contrary, because a submissive will not be playing a role, because they are serving a higher power (their Master), because it is in their nature to be obedient and pleasing anyway...i think they can make extremely good sex workers in the right situation. ime, my Master had me serve many clients who were not in or even aware of the D/s lifestyle, but who requested me again and again, because well...it's hard to describe, but a submissive simply has a special manner and attitude that is likely hard to find in the typical escort/prostitute, that many men, Dominant or not, find appealing. i mean, sure, some men may enjoy a woman playing the role of fake seductress...caressing his leg, giving him sexy looks, whispering sweet nothings (that she does not mean) in his ear. but i think there are a segment of men who would be much more taken with the quiet, humble nature of a woman on her knees, keeping her eyes lowered, only speaking when spoken to, and doing as he wished without question or hesitation. and at the end, once he is satisfied, telling him sincerely, "thank you Sir".
and the sincere hope in her heart that she has been pleasing, because if she has not she knows what her Master will do to her.

 

[Etoile]

Hey osg, did you get my latest PM? Your box wasn't full so I sent it. I've been trying to reach you!

 

[Lloyd2004]

am loving this topic. as i said, Masters whoring out their slaves is not that uncommon in the D/s lifestyle. why it's done, could be for a myriad of reasons. it could be to humiliate the slave, as Catalina suggested. however all slaves would not find such a situation humiliating. another reason could be just because the Master gets a kick out of it....or it could actually be for the money itself (money for the Master, that is). always, because it is entirely controlled and organized by the Master, it is emphasizing the control over and powerlessness of a slave.

Lloyd, i think you are mistaken in thinking that most submissives would not be "good" at this. to the contrary, because a submissive will not be playing a role, because they are serving a higher power (their Master), because it is in their nature to be obedient and pleasing anyway...i think they can make extremely good sex workers in the right situation. ime, my Master had me serve many clients who were not in or even aware of the D/s lifestyle, but who requested me again and again, because well...it's hard to describe, but a submissive simply has a special manner and attitude that is likely hard to find in the typical escort/prostitute, that many men, Dominant or not, find appealing. i mean, sure, some men may enjoy a woman playing the role of fake seductress...caressing his leg, giving him sexy looks, whispering sweet nothings (that she does not mean) in his ear. but i think there are a segment of men who would be much more taken with the quiet, humble nature of a woman on her knees, keeping her eyes lowered, only speaking when spoken to, and doing as he wished without question or hesitation. and at the end, once he is satisfied, telling him sincerely, "thank you Sir".
and the sincere hope in her heart that she has been pleasing, because if she has not she knows what her Master will do to her.

I guess it is a matter of what turns you on, I must admit I am into a more equal opportunity sort of sex,
Where you "play the game" as you feel it at the time.
Like which ever partner feels like it gets a turn at being"Master" if you like to put it that way.
I have been with lots of "Hookers" in my life, but I do not know how it would be in some of the scenes which are presented in this thread.
I have not come across many "Humble hookers" well any that I can recall.
Just poor fucks, fair fucks, good fucks , and a very few really good fucks.
That is how it is to me.
Where do I find one of these "Sub" type hookers?
It does sound like fun.
I like to try everything erotic! Do you think that when you are playing a role which does not come naturally you may have to think before you act , with out spontaneity. You have done I have not been in the situation, I can see that some may like this sort of submissive sex which would be unusual for hookers.
Where do you get your "Clients"?
I can say when a person goes to a prostitute they just want to fuck, because they are horny. ( Unless they just want some company and talk; but if that is all you want; why pay?) $100 or so for an 1/2 hour chat is awfully expensive chat, hey what?

Lloyd


fuck this is a good thread ?

 

[Lloyd2004]

Hey osg, did you get my latest PM? Your box wasn't full so I sent it. I've been trying to reach you!

What was in the Box?
(Sorry I could not help my self!)



Lloyd

 

[Lloyd2004]

You are so pretty.

Yes you are!

Lloyd