Reasons why Homosexuality is a choice.

[blondi84]

One more thing before I go....

This reminded me of my husbands grandfather. He came in and out of lucidity towards the end, and he liked basketball. After a game once he said "Damn them ******* can sure put on a show!", reffering to Dennis Rodman. We still laugh about that to this day, because for like ten minutes he went back about 70 years. I imagine we will all laugh about you Megadeth, in a few years, when your still the close minded person who doesn't know any better.

 

[Nabokov]

Anyone who posts with a sig of the Confederate flag nearly 150 years after the north kicked their asses, does not deserve a response.

1) Homosexuality is all about sex, not love. Having sex is a choice.

2) Homosexuality can be cured, but some people have sick fantasies and you can always prevent your fantasies from turning into reality.

3) Gays and Lesbians are often of a more deviant nature leading to bestiality and other disgusting activities.

4) There are success stories where lesbians have turned into full fledged straight women by the power of masculinity.

5) God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

I challenge you deviant Homosexuals to rebuttle with me, lets see what you've got (other than queer eye for the straight guy or queer as folk). I know a lot of you will personally insult me cause you homos have already lost the battle.

EDIT: Keep away from the personal insults and you're gonna be better recieved if you keep it civil. Dont gays knows about it?

 

[CJontherocks]

Gosh, I never dreamed this thread would go for three pages. I'll admit I almost responded myself, but the opening post was obviously bait and the original poster obviously trolling.

Maybe it was fun just lashing back at the poster child for ignorance, intolerance and hatred? Please tell me we don't react this way to everyone with a differing (albeit entirely offensive) opinion.

 

[silverwhisper]

blondi: i really doubt anybody here will remember him tomorrow, frankly. :>

ed

 

[neonflux]

Lashing out...

Hey CJ! you're right, he was definitely trolling but I felt compelled to respond anyway. He's clearly a really troubled person...

Not sure I would call what we did lashing out - it seemed to me most of us were trying to be civil while every one of his posts was filled with vitriole and invective, he wasn't looking for civil discourse - if he were truly looking for dialogue instead of sounding like Fred Phelps, perhaps the course of the discussion would have been different?

Gosh, I never dreamed this thread would go for three pages. I'll admit I almost responded myself, but the opening post was obviously bait and the original poster obviously trolling.

Maybe it was fun just lashing back at the poster child for ignorance, intolerance and hatred? Please tell me we don't react this way to everyone with a differing (albeit entirely offensive) opinion.

 

[DarKirby]

1) Homosexuality is all about sex, not love. Having sex is a choice.

2) Homosexuality can be cured, but some people have sick fantasies and you can always prevent your fantasies from turning into reality.

3) Gays and Lesbians are often of a more deviant nature leading to bestiality and other disgusting activities.

4) There are success stories where lesbians have turned into full fledged straight women by the power of masculinity.

5) God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

I challenge you deviant Homosexuals to rebuttle with me, lets see what you've got (other than queer eye for the straight guy or queer as folk). I know a lot of you will personally insult me cause you homos have already lost the battle.

EDIT: Keep away from the personal insults and you're gonna be better recieved if you keep it civil. Dont gays knows about it?

1) Homosexuality is NOT a choice, is linked to heredity, and is not just about having sex. Are you saying that priests who come out as gay but remain completely celebate are not, in fact, gay? Are you saying that you're not heterosexual if you don't have sex with a woman, but that you are if you do? Because I'm pretty sure that would make plenty of gays who felt pressured to stay in the closet for a long time straight, by your definition.

2) How is being in a loving, understanding, and possibly even abstinent relationship with someone of the same sex a "sick fantasy"? Yes, some of the people who are genetically predisposed to homosexuality actually believe you because of how they were raised, therefore they do not engage in sexual activity with members of their own sex.

3) Where are the stats? This, along with "all gays are sex addicts" and "gay people don't follow the teachings of Christ" are pretty common misconceptions. Christ never said "love thy neighbor...unless he's a guy...don't be a fag, man".

4) How many of these stories did you dig up? For every one, I'm betting I could find at least 50 about gay teenagers who committed suicide because, as hard as they tried through prayer, any of these "ex-gay" groups (most of which one of the founders or many of the participating members have denounced as incorrect in its judgment of homosexuals), or even something as ridiculous as hurting themselves, they couldn't feel the way you or the rest of society tells them they should feel.

5) This is the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard. Actually, it's not even an argument. You're throwing in your beliefs into what you're pretending is an argument. Unlike the theory of evolution, the big bang theory, the heliocentric model of the "universe" which the church once saw as heresy, and the idea that people who express hatred towards gays are more aroused by homosexual pornography than most, have no scientific basis. Actually, the one about people who act not unlike yourself towards homosexuals experiencing more genital arousal that most straight people when placed in a room and made to watch (not look away from and say "gross!" to) homosexual pornography has been scientifically proven. And these were people who agreed to the study, they were SURE of their sexuality, as I'm sure you are.

When you insult the lives people lead and the feelings and thoughts which come naturally to them and which they cannot change, they will insult you back. Gay or straight, so stop acting like you're superior to us. You base your beliefs on religion. I would respect that, except that you come in here and insult us when we have scientific research and evidence to support what we're saying, and all you have is a book that's been translated and possibly mistranslated several times and the teachings of people who passed on traditions from when slavery was accepted (yes, even by Christians). Your viewpoints get no credibility because they are so often misinformed and unsubstantiated. Your comment about gays and lesbians "more often being of a deviant nature" is not only totally unsupported, but completely unsupportable. I believe that when gays are understanding of the pain others go through due to social intolerance that is often expressed towards them, they become more compassionate, kind, and just people. These kind of comments give you no credibility, and they are the reason that no one is taking the time to refute your statements seriously.
I would appreciate it if you took your prejudice elsewhere, thank you.

 

[Nabokov]

Ok, just for shits and giggles, lets turn the tables on this. The following statements can also be true.

1) Heterosexuality is about sex, not love. Having sex is a choice.

2) Heterosexuality can be cured, but some people have sick fantasies and you can always prevent your fantasies from turning into reality.

3) Men and Woman are often of a more deviant nature leading to bestiality and other disgusting activities.

4) There are success stories where Straight people have turned into full fledged homosexuality by the power of masculinity.

5) God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. Eve was made from Adam's rib, and Steve might have been their son.

 

[bonechip]

Hey guys! What's going on here?

megadork dropped in to pick up some dudes. mrpots offered a threesome. im seriously considering it, but only if megadork agrees to be gentle.

me and mega are both kinda curious closet homosexuals.

 

[RichardFitzwell]

Sounds like he's a "mega" homophobe!

I think I made a punny?

L0LAFF!

 

[Programmer Cat]

5) God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

If God exists, which nobody can prove, he also made Satan.

 

[Raimondin]

1) EDIT: Keep away from the personal insults and you're gonna be better recieved if you keep it civil. Dont gays knows about it?

Go away and go back to wherever it is and stop trying to be the Troll you wish you were. I know you're gloating reading all these posts, but you made your point.
As far as "personal insults" go, that's exactly what you've done to every GLBT member here with your inaccurate thread.

"American by Birth
Southern By The Grace Of God"

(But Ignorant by choice).

 

[sachiaiko]

Megadeth...

I can easily challenge your views. Homosexuality, for some people, may indeed be a choice. Bi-sexual folks have a choice on whome they lean towards most often, though the person you fall in love with in no way has to do with sex, and often times is out of your control. Gay folks are gay, period, no amount of battering will change them, and you have indeed been incredibly insulting, not civil in the least.

I have two god fathers, been married to one another for about 25 or so years. They are as cute and adorable a couple as any other straight couple who has lived with and loved one another for that long. It is not all about sex - they fell in love, they LOVE one another dearly and deeply, and chose to stay in each others lives. Homosexuality is NOT about sex. Hell, in my personal opinion, GBLT can be more about love then the straight meat market bars that so many of us have been too.

The truth is, you seem to be a closed minded religious fanatic. Which is fine, but coming into this area, this domain of folks who are sharing what is real and true for them in their hearts and throwing insults and attacks is absolutely cruel. There is no reason for it - what exactly did you hope to gain? I mean, ask yourself that, Mega.

What did you hope to gain from your post? It was intent on being hurtful, cruel, insight frustration anger and pain and verbally violent responses to you. To be quite honest with you - i feel sad for you. To be so closed minded must be a hard thing indeed. You can not come in and state such harsh and cruel comments and not expect verbally violent replies. You just wanted to prove to yourself that we would all get angry. I myself and a bi-sexual female. I feel there is absolutely nothing wrong with being in love with another woman. I write gay erotica, and i do quite well and am quite proud of it. Again, i feel there is nothing wrong with it.

i LOVE who i am. I love my gay friends, and i have seen so much tenderness, love, and sweetness between the friends of mine in gay relationships that it has truly inspired me in many ways. I am sorry that you can not open your mind enough to ASK us if it's about love or lust. We'll tell you the truth.

Answer me this, how much of YOUR sex throughout your whole life was about love? That's a good question. Think about it - most people randomly go screw, gay, bi, straight - doesnt matter. Most people have random sex. That doesn't mean they're incapable or unable to have loving relationships.

Personally, i've never slept with some one i didn't love. Thats me, i'm different. I don't judge those who choose to have meaningless sex. If it feels good to them and they are safe, then more power to em. It just doesn't work for me. I certainly wont say "You're a sick fuck because you screw whoever walks by at the drop of the hat and thats SINFUL and as a result of that i wont even bother finding out who you are as a person, what your beliefs are, what your heart holds and i dont give a damn that you could be some one really awsome and special in my life as a friend/lover because i'm so closed minded i just simply can't get past my fears and anxiety to see who you really are."

If i did that, i'd be a very lonely person.

As will you be.

I hope what i said, on some level, sinks it. It's OKAY that you aren't gay. It's even okay for you to disagree with it - but why damn and entire group of people - GOOD PEOPLE - because of something so petty and childish? If god truly didn't want Gays and Bi people, do you really think he'd have made them?

And who are you to assume you truly know the likes and wants of God? God did not write the bible, MEN wrote the bible. And if you are going through the bible, then many of the things youd o on a day to day basis are sins equal to homosexuality - yet, somehow, those are alright because society has deemed them so.

You're logic is flawed, massively. I hope you take a deeper look, and i hope you take the time to get to know some of the people you are so quick to hate and judge.

Hate is a horrible thing. But the most interesting thing about it - in my opinion - is it effects the person doing the hating a helluva lot more then the one being hated. None of us could care less what you think of us. You're just filling yourelf up with hate and judgement - two things that the bible is strictly against.

Think about it.

:shrugs:

Be well,

Nikki

 

[Tymeless]

damn this thread is no fun anymore with him being unable to be civil *cries* maybe i shouldn't of egged him on so much so he could spew forth some more vile comments just to continue to show how ignorant he is. oh wait i got it so basically anything he post will be removed 1 point me -3000 megadeth.

 

[sachiaiko]

DarKirby...

Well and beautifully said. I applaud your ability to stay even tempered, kind yet firm and give information that is truely 100 percent acurate and in my personal opinion, brilliant in this particular argument.

Ready what you wrote actually made me feel good, so much good information in the post. Thanks.

I don't expect Megadeth to read it, but your post WILL help quite a few 'on the fence' folks who are feeling anxious about coming out or about their sexuality in general.

Be well, sweets

Nikki

 

[rwattsIII]

ditto......

LOL your not even worth debating with because nothing we say will ever sink through your head since your so firmly stuck in your views.

It was worth a laugh anyway......

 

[none2_none2]

I can easily challenge your views. Homosexuality, for some people, may indeed be a choice. Bi-sexual folks have a choice on whome they lean towards most often, though the person you fall in love with in no way has to do with sex, and often times is out of your control. Gay folks are gay, period, no amount of battering will change them, and you have indeed been incredibly insulting, not civil in the least.

I wanted to add to something you started to touch upon. You happened to mention for some it may be a choice. What I think is most important is does it matter? Some may dissaprove of the middle aged woman who dates an adult guy half her age. It may be a choice, but does it matter? Should we call her an abomination, cradle robber, sinner based on whether it was a choice or voluntary? Does it make her any more guilty or innocent? Truth is it doesn't matter, it is her right to choose her partners whether someone else likes it nor not. Same can be said for:
a) the guy who only wants big brested women;
b) the person of one faith who will only date another person of the same faith;
c) the man who will only date women shorter than him, or visa versa;
d) the guy who only wants women who cannot or will not have children;
e) etc...

I think its time gay people stopped trying to be apologetic. Why do gays have to prove anything one way or another. If tomorrow someone could prove 100% it was genetic or 100% it wasn't, would you be any more/less justified in being allowed to live your life as you see fit? The fact is the anti-gay attituded is really tied to gender roles that too many people (gay, str8, etc) are really comfortable with. The fact is we are ALL different and All the same too. We should be more interest in whether a person is being the best person possible and loving someone if that is the path the person wants to take. That makes a hell of a lot more sense than wondering whether if the person is acting appropriately either masculine/feminine as gender would indicate and if rather during sex the person's privates are only comming into contact with the private parts of a person of the correct gender.

 

[ima6uldv8]

Don't feed the trolls.

 

[CuriousNiceGuy]

God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

In an ironic way, Eve was actually a part of Adam, which makes her somewhat masculin-ish.So you could say that Adam and Eve where bisexual!Or that Eve was a MTF trans? ^_^'''

(I don't mean to offend anyone, well, except Megadeth-->why don't you talk with the wall?Maybe a brick can make a good conversation with you!)

 

[CJontherocks]

Not sure I would call what we did lashing out - it seemed to me most of us were trying to be civil while every one of his posts was filled with vitriole and invective, he wasn't looking for civil discourse - if he were truly looking for dialogue instead of sounding like Fred Phelps, perhaps the course of the discussion would have been different?

Hi Justine!

If nothing else, I did read some well articulated thoughts on humanity and sexuality and I appreciate all I can learn from others as I think most of us do. The whole point of this forum is to share your thoughts, dreams, desires, queries, etc., right? But really, I'm not at all confident about that fella's ability to accept any of the ideas put forth. You're right. His whole point seemed to be about the name-calling and nasty comments. Those were the only ones he responded to.

I do believe homosexuality is about choice. The choice to follow one's desires. But the desires are as natural as wild berries. The cause? Who really knows? There seems to be as many different theories as there are desires. I think the human species is a sexual being and capable of loving either sex. Some like 'em short, some like 'em tall, some want the men, some love 'em all! But the social paradigms humanity has built for itself have somehow gotten [many of] us very confused about what is or isn't "normal" or "acceptable."

The sad thing is, "normal" seems to have [de-]evolved from what was perfectly natural into the societal norms we have today. We've made some great strides thanks to some very brave people, but we're a long way off from accepting each other--and ourselves--as we truly are.

Uhhhhh... I'm sorry... what was the question?

 

[neonflux]

Hi CJ, well said..

and to your last comment + back

Hi Justine!
Uhhhhh... I'm sorry... what was the question?

 

[Megadeth]

I can easily challenge your views. Homosexuality, for some people, may indeed be a choice. Bi-sexual folks have a choice on whome they lean towards most often, though the person you fall in love with in no way has to do with sex, and often times is out of your control. Gay folks are gay, period, no amount of battering will change them, and you have indeed been incredibly insulting, not civil in the least.

I have two god fathers, been married to one another for about 25 or so years. They are as cute and adorable a couple as any other straight couple who has lived with and loved one another for that long. It is not all about sex - they fell in love, they LOVE one another dearly and deeply, and chose to stay in each others lives. Homosexuality is NOT about sex. Hell, in my personal opinion, GBLT can be more about love then the straight meat market bars that so many of us have been too.

The truth is, you seem to be a closed minded religious fanatic. Which is fine, but coming into this area, this domain of folks who are sharing what is real and true for them in their hearts and throwing insults and attacks is absolutely cruel. There is no reason for it - what exactly did you hope to gain? I mean, ask yourself that, Mega.

What did you hope to gain from your post? It was intent on being hurtful, cruel, insight frustration anger and pain and verbally violent responses to you. To be quite honest with you - i feel sad for you. To be so closed minded must be a hard thing indeed. You can not come in and state such harsh and cruel comments and not expect verbally violent replies. You just wanted to prove to yourself that we would all get angry. I myself and a bi-sexual female. I feel there is absolutely nothing wrong with being in love with another woman. I write gay erotica, and i do quite well and am quite proud of it. Again, i feel there is nothing wrong with it.

i LOVE who i am. I love my gay friends, and i have seen so much tenderness, love, and sweetness between the friends of mine in gay relationships that it has truly inspired me in many ways. I am sorry that you can not open your mind enough to ASK us if it's about love or lust. We'll tell you the truth.

Answer me this, how much of YOUR sex throughout your whole life was about love? That's a good question. Think about it - most people randomly go screw, gay, bi, straight - doesnt matter. Most people have random sex. That doesn't mean they're incapable or unable to have loving relationships.

Personally, i've never slept with some one i didn't love. Thats me, i'm different. I don't judge those who choose to have meaningless sex. If it feels good to them and they are safe, then more power to em. It just doesn't work for me. I certainly wont say "You're a sick fuck because you screw whoever walks by at the drop of the hat and thats SINFUL and as a result of that i wont even bother finding out who you are as a person, what your beliefs are, what your heart holds and i dont give a damn that you could be some one really awsome and special in my life as a friend/lover because i'm so closed minded i just simply can't get past my fears and anxiety to see who you really are."

If i did that, i'd be a very lonely person.

As will you be.

I hope what i said, on some level, sinks it. It's OKAY that you aren't gay. It's even okay for you to disagree with it - but why damn and entire group of people - GOOD PEOPLE - because of something so petty and childish? If god truly didn't want Gays and Bi people, do you really think he'd have made them?

And who are you to assume you truly know the likes and wants of God? God did not write the bible, MEN wrote the bible. And if you are going through the bible, then many of the things youd o on a day to day basis are sins equal to homosexuality - yet, somehow, those are alright because society has deemed them so.

You're logic is flawed, massively. I hope you take a deeper look, and i hope you take the time to get to know some of the people you are so quick to hate and judge.

Hate is a horrible thing. But the most interesting thing about it - in my opinion - is it effects the person doing the hating a helluva lot more then the one being hated. None of us could care less what you think of us. You're just filling yourelf up with hate and judgement - two things that the bible is strictly against.

Think about it.

:shrugs:

Be well,

Nikki

Thank you for your response. I really appreciate it and agree with it 100%.

I was trolling the GLBT forums and in no way am homophobic. The truth is I wanted to see how well such an ignorant statement would be taken and also wanted to if any responses would be actually valid rather than insulting me (especially through my username). I am not from the south! in fact, I live in Wisconsin and am a supporter of Russ Feingold, if you find that ironic.

Thanks again.

 

[John Doe]

Debating w/ this guy is like fencing w/ a one-armed midget.

W/ rickets.

And in a wheelchair.

 

[sachiaiko]

Thank you for your response. I really appreciate it and agree with it 100%.

I was trolling the GLBT forums and in no way am homophobic. The truth is I wanted to see how well such an ignorant statement would be taken and also wanted to if any responses would be actually valid rather than insulting me (especially through my username). I am not from the south! in fact, I live in Wisconsin and am a supporter of Russ Feingold, if you find that ironic.

Thanks again.

Well, i'm glad to hear that, honestly i felt rather bad for you as per your original post. It's good to hear that those views stated are not actually your views, though i do believe it's important to note that while they may not be YOUR views, (and this is for everyone to consider) There are MANY folks who DO hold those views, which is quite sad and frightening. Most especially when you think about how many of them actually take part in running our beloved country. :sighs gently:

Mega, i do believe that while you may have had a point (and while i am unable to see it now, i'm open to hearing what it may have been.) coming in and antagonizing folks, whether you truly meant what you said or not, is really kinda harsh. It's nice to hear you don't believe the things you said - but you can't really expect most people to just lay down and take such amazing insults in a place they feel safe in.

See, that's the thing. the GBLT forum is a safe place for us, a place we can share anything with one another without judgement. It's almost like you came in and pissed on the sanctity of that soft safety blanket that is our forums. You're intention may not have been that, and by all means i'm open to that, but i hope that you might also be open to considering and realizing that whether intended or not, your comments were still hurtful and cruel and really seemed to have no purpose.

I guess i just don't understand *why* you were trolling our forum. Consider this - it's our safe place where we can share all our fantasies and dreams and wants and desires, first time stories, crushes, flirt and play and tease and have fun with one another. If you didn't believe what you had said, then ...

... what purpose did doing that serve? It seems to me as though it was just... to upset people?

Like i said, maybe your intention was not that, and like i said again, i am open to that and am not in judgement - i am just expressing how you came across, and also sharing why you got the responses you go from most of the folks here.

Be well,

Nikki

 

[Xelebes]

What's going on here?

 

[blondi84]

obviously megaretard here has never had a cock or a pussy in it's mouth (boy or girl i tend to forget) any wasy the feeling of making a person cum is amazing, and I would do anything for it, regardeless of gender. BTW letting a person of the same gender just go wild on your body is amazing!