The Administrative State May Soon Be Devastated

[Rightguide]

This is exactly the issue at hand. Congress makes law, not unelected, unaccountable, bureaucrats.

To put a finer point on it, Congress makes the law in our stead. We entrust them to do the will of the people and we enforce it with elections. The omnipresent administrative state is all unelected and for the most part unaccountable to the people. We see now after 70 some years of growth they have reached a state of being where they can effectively defy the will of the people and the Congress.

 

[dkovic77]

The EPA is the absolute worst.

Yeah who needs clean air and water!

When there is deep fryer oil!

 

[Rightguide]

If the Chevron deference goes down it will literally take an act of congress to enact almost any federal regulation to protect the interests of public health, safety, financial services, or environmental protections. The GOP will finally be able to claim a win for businesses who want to buy regulatory influence from local politicians.

Another step towards making America ‘grate’ as it shifts further to the land of the money, for the money, by the money.

And people complain about big monied interests driving the swamp now….

No, it won't. They will be simply put back in their place and within the jurisdiction of the law.

 

[Rightguide]

The right obviously wants Congressmen like MTG to write complex regulations for companies. I'm sure she knows enough

Yes, we know you'd like to live under a totalitarian government where unknown bureaucrats make the law against any recourse by the people. Move to China.

 

[DeluxAuto]

The EPA is the absolute worst.

Why did you dumbfucks create it?

 

[ll74]

Yes, we know you'd like to live under a totalitarian government where unknown bureaucrats make the law against any recourse by the people. Move to China.

I prefer people who know what they are talking about to write regulations rather than others (elected or not) to do so.

No you move.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Yes, we know you'd like to live under a totalitarian government where unknown bureaucrats make the law against any recourse by the people. Move to China.

Your candidate has said he wants to take your guns and be a dictator.

Where the hell do you get off with this other crazy nonsense?

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

If the Chevron deference goes down it will literally take an act of congress to enact almost any federal regulation to protect the interests of public health, safety, financial services, or environmental protections.

An act of Congress? OMG. It would be horrible to put such a burden on elected representatives instead of entrenched, unelected, bureaucrats. Especially bad to do this to representatives who must face voters every two years. A serious threat to democracy!

 

[Rightguide]

All of which will ultimately boil down to whether SCOTUS protects everyday citizens or the profitability of corporations. Nothing more and nothing less.

It's more about keeping the administrative state from violating the limits of the Constitution and its enabling legislation

 

[SmokingFap]

It's more about keeping the administrative state from violating the limits of the Constitution and its enabling legislation

Only insofar as the government tries to regulate corporations and prevent them from dangerously exploiting the general public for profit. Nothing good will come of it. Except for the billionaires and the corporations. As always from the right wing.

 

[Rightguide]

Only insofar as the government tries to regulate corporations and prevent them from dangerously exploiting the general public for profit. Nothing good will come of it. Except for the billionaires and the corporations. As always from the right wing.

That's only part of it.

 

[MajorRewrite]

The loons are trying to push America back to the pre-Teddy Roosevelt era, when robber barons ruled the country and crushed the people.

The imbeciles on the Supreme Court will probably give the loons what they want.

 

[stxjimmy]

Yeah who needs clean air and water!

When there is deep fryer oil!

What sort of delinquent opposes protecting the environment?
Step forward can’t help.

 

[Rightguide]

The loons are trying to push America back to the pre-Teddy Roosevelt era, when robber barons ruled the country and crushed the people.

The imbeciles on the Supreme Court will probably give the loons what they want.

Because the object is to keep the government within the confines of the Constitution.

 

[icanhelp1]

That's only part of it.

Need to regulate the regulators and make elected official accountable to their constituents for the laws they pass. Like usual the left goes batshit crazy for demanding accountability from unelected bureaucrats.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Because the object is to keep the government within the confines of the Constitution.

It already is. Loons try to pretend it isn’t.

 

[Chobham]

An act of Congress? OMG. It would be horrible to put such a burden on elected representatives instead of entrenched, unelected, bureaucrats. Especially bad to do this to representatives who must face voters every two years. A serious threat to democracy!

That gets down to it, doesn't it? They've gotten so damn lazy they can't seem to even put a budget together anymore.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Need to regulate the regulators and make elected official accountable to their constituents for the laws they pass. Like usual the left goes batshit crazy for demanding accountability from unelected bureaucrats.

Name some specific regulations that are beyond the agency’s enabling legislation.

 

[Chobham]

Name some specific regulations that are beyond the agency’s enabling legislation.

Just one of many.

 

[icanhelp1]

Name some specific regulations that are beyond the agency’s enabling legislation.

My own personal experience, My gas stove needed replacement. I wanted to replace my old gas stove with a newer model. My retailer pushed hard to convert to electric, I wasn't having it, my choice was gas. Not buying into an electric stove cost me a $300 surcharge.

https://walberg.house.gov/media/in-...own-gas-cars-forcing-more-half-new-car-sales-

President Biden said Wednesday that EPA's regulations ensure the nation meets his goal that 50% of all new car sales are electric by 2030. "Three years ago, I set an ambitious target: that half of all new cars and trucks sold in 2030 would be zero-emission," President Biden said in a statement.Mar 20, 2024

Relentless, Inc. v. Department of Commerce – involve a rule issued by the National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS), a federal agency within the U.S. Department of Commerce, under the purported authority of the Magnuson-Stevens Act. The Act gives the Secretary of Commerce and the NMFS the authority to "implement a comprehensive fishery management program" and further provides that fishery-management plans "may require that one or more observers be carried on board a vessel … for the purpose of collecting data necessary for the conservation and management of the fishery." Pursuant to the Act, the NMFS issued a regulation that requires the fishing industry to pay for the costs of these observers, which is typically around $710 a day. In each respective case, the U.S. Courts of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit and for the First Circuit upheld the regulation as a reasonable interpretation of a federal statute under Chevron.

 

[AlexBailey]

An act of Congress? OMG. It would be horrible to put such a burden on elected representatives instead of entrenched, unelected, bureaucrats. Especially bad to do this to representatives who must face voters every two years. A serious threat to democracy!

Under Chevron deference Congress had used their constitutional authority to enable experts in various scientific fields to determine what measures could be taken to “promote the general welfare” of society.

Without it we will have congress directly responsible for deciding these issues - people like MTG, AOC, Jim Jordan, Adam Schiff and whoever else manages to attract the monetary and social support needed to get them elected, all debating and making judgements and decisions about the policies that affect the lives and health of the American public. How scientifically qualified are our collection of elected representatives?

This will further empower the wealthiest interests to buy influence over the decisions that affect their own interests.

The swamp will grow deeper and wider and become host to even more predators and parasites.

 

[dkovic77]

My own personal experience, My gas stove needed replacement. I wanted to replace my old gas stove with a newer model. My retailer pushed hard to convert to electric, I wasn't having it, my choice was gas. Not buying into an electric stove cost me a $300 surcharge.

https://walberg.house.gov/media/in-...own-gas-cars-forcing-more-half-new-car-sales-

President Biden said Wednesday that EPA's regulations ensure the nation meets his goal that 50% of all new car sales are electric by 2030. "Three years ago, I set an ambitious target: that half of all new cars and trucks sold in 2030 would be zero-emission," President Biden said in a statement.Mar 20, 2024

Relentless, Inc. v. Department of Commerce – involve a rule issued by the National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS), a federal agency within the U.S. Department of Commerce, under the purported authority of the Magnuson-Stevens Act. The Act gives the Secretary of Commerce and the NMFS the authority to "implement a comprehensive fishery management program" and further provides that fishery-management plans "may require that one or more observers be carried on board a vessel … for the purpose of collecting data necessary for the conservation and management of the fishery." Pursuant to the Act, the NMFS issued a regulation that requires the fishing industry to pay for the costs of these observers, which is typically around $710 a day. In each respective case, the U.S. Courts of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit and for the First Circuit upheld the regulation as a reasonable interpretation of a federal statute under Chevron.

Gas stove heats up the fry oil better than electric?

 

[Chobham]

Under Chevron deference Congress had used their constitutional authority to enable experts in various scientific fields to determine what measures could be taken to “promote the general welfare” of society.

Without it we will have congress directly responsible for deciding these issues - people like MTG, AOC, Jim Jordan, Adam Schiff and whoever else manages to attract the monetary and social support needed to get them elected, all debating and making judgements and decisions about the policies that affect the lives and health of the American public. How scientifically qualified are our collection of elected representatives?

This will further empower the wealthiest interests to buy influence over the decisions that affect their own interests.

The swamp will grow deeper and wider and become host to even more predators and parasites.

Kinda like the "Experts" that managed the Covid debacle.

 

[jomar]

Unwinding the Chevron deference almost sounds like a plan to allow businesses to do whatever they want while things grind through courts and appeals and congress, which could take who knows how long. But I’m pretty sure those businesses will behave ethically with an eye toward environmentally responsible practices and citizen safety.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Just one of many.

Nah. That’s a bad application of a regulation. Not an overstep of enabling legislation.