The Allison Mack/Nxivm Sex Slavery Cult

[Marquis]

OK now having read the police report I have to say this is much sadder and less sexy than I had hoped for.

 

[cookiecat]

20/20 has a piece on this group tonight.

On the surface it sounds like a D/s haven.

Obedience. M/s. Worship. Training to become a better version of ourselves.

Or maybe just creepy.

 

[megan3b]

What a strange, complex, sad situation this all is!

 

[jaF0]

Doctor tied to NXIVM sex cult has medical license revoked
NBC News | Thu Aug 22, 2019 20:51 UTC

A New York doctor had his license revoked Tuesday for allegedly performing unsanctioned research on human subjects as part of his alleged connection with NXIVM.

 

[Etoile]

I keep reading it like Nexium. The heartburn pill.

 

[seela]

I keep reading it like Nexium. The heartburn pill.

Etoile!!! You haven't been around in ages.

 

[Etoile]

Etoile!!! You haven't been around in ages.

It's so kind of you to remember me. I do spend much more me on Fetlife now...

 

[saltpepper57898]

If you keep the victim part aside, NXIVM, Keith Raniere, a wonderful study in D/s world don't you think?
I mean the man has achieved so many things(holes, mostly)

 

[Keroin]

I listened to most of this podcast. Definitely not sexy nor strictly consensual.

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/uncover/uncover-season-1-escaping-nxivm-1.4675949

 

[DVS]

It basically did start off consensual, but later, Allison Mack kind of took over when Keith Raniere wanted sex whenever he wanted. Of course, since she is a very good friend of his, she took it upon herself to kind of change things a little.

The group was initially suppose to be a way for elite rich people to better themselves, because they have all of the money they need, and still didn't have the life they felt they wanted. Keith Raniere is seen as kind of a guru of sorts, with his way of making things work out by a special diet, special way of living, and making themselves available to him, sexually, when ever he wanted. It was kind of a cleansing thing, to allow someone to have your body, willingly.

Allison Mack found that some weren't as willing as others, so to make sure some of her recruits stuck around, she required they pose for naked and suggestive pictures, as well as hand over a signed contract that said they would forfeit something they valued, if they didn't comply. I think they also even had to write a story that would be embarrassing, if Mack were to post it somewhere or give it to their family members. Basically, it was a way to keep them compliant when she wanted them to.

Later, she was the one who thought up the branding and that was required, of all participants. The brand was her initials and his initials intertwined depending on how you looked at it. She had a way of making all of this a part of the deal, as if they were growing mentally and physically, by freeing themselves of all needs and desires.

After a while, some got smart and realized that they were actually in a cult atmosphere and wanted out. Of course, with everything they had signed and written, it took some courage to break out of this. There were so many high power, very rich people involved that it was difficult for them to split from the group, but over time, they realized what was going on.

Once Mack saw how she was going to be prosecuted, she flipped over on Raniere and that kept a lot of what was going on out of the courts. She was actually the #2 person, on site, with others helping out with money on the outside. There was a couple of sisters involved on the money end, and I can't remember their names. They are quite wealthy.

Keith basically thought he had a good thing going and wanted more. Mack was willing, so maybe she was mentally in his control to a point, but so much was her idea, I don't think she was so much under his control as willing to be the heavy and disciplinarian, in some cases, and like I said, the brand was her idea. I think the branding was the turning point for some of the women.

Mack recruited them all, and even had others bring in more recruits. It was kept as a way to better yourself through letting things go, submitting to others and allowing yourself to be controlled and available in many ways. For those who stuck with the plan, it was mostly considered legal. But, once some decided they wanted out, that was the turning point and it was then seen as illegal in many ways.

 

[DVS]

Hello, Marquis. The old Lit has changed a lot.

 

[ToPleaseHim]

A&E has a series called Cults & Extreme Belief (also avail on Hulu). NXIVM is the topic of the first episode. It’s just fascinating how cults form and thrive. The last two episodes have survivors from a variety of cults talking about how they ended up in the various cults and where they are now. Definitely worth a watch.

 

[Conager]

DVS take on who initiated what sounds right. I have only seen the edges of the story.

The dynamic of a women recruiting others is interesting. Manson and Epstein come to mind. I have seen it on a very small scale and it is not something I would have thought likely. I don't know what, exactly causes that dynamic but women procuring is an old story. I've had friends introduce friends, sisters introduce sisters. My first date was a friend's mom setting me up with her niece.

There was this advice couple although they weren't a couple on Cosmo Radio when I used to have Sirius Radio on my Cat Truck. They were talking one time about why a woman who was in a relationship would be trying to set up one of their friends with a particular guy. Their idea was that that girl was looking to hear the details but didn't really want to actually step out. In other words the procuring woman is interested but unavailable.

I don't think that entirely accounts are the dynamic though. Just had a situation where the woman trying to set me up is very much available and I'm not exactly sure why she and I have never gotten together in that way other than the fact that the timing always seem to be off and I was usually involved with one of her friends. Currently, that not being the case it seems odd that she wants to introduce me to a third friend.

Maybe I should get to penning some literature and figuring out what sort of dogma I want to espouse?

I kid.

 

[Conager]

It's so kind of you to remember me. I do spend much more me on Fetlife now...

I thought Fet was dead?

OK now having read the police report I have to say this is much sadder and less sexy than I had hoped for.

I think that's why I have not followed up for a deeper read on it. On the surface level, it trips a lot of triggers. The general surface sheen is undoubtedly better wank-fodder than the murky, fetid depths.

 

[DVS]

I thought Fet was dead?

Fet is far from dead. It's a huge site and most of it thrives. You just have to go there with a place in mind, like maybe the city you live in. If you know the people, it's better than going in there without knowing anybody, because the site is so big and expansive.

 

[Marquis]

It basically did start off consensual, but later,
...
, that was the turning point and it was then seen as illegal in many ways.

Allison Mack sounds like a bad ass bitch. Wish I could find me one of those.

Hello, Marquis. The old Lit has changed a lot.

Yes, I can imagine. Good to see you, old friend.

 

[DVS]

One of the main money people of the cult was just convicted, a few days ago. I guess she was a bit of a demon, if you went against them. Read the article to find out just how far she would go.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/30/nyregion/clare-bronfman-nxivm-keith-raniere-sentence.html

 

[jaF0]

Of the five women in NXIVM (pronounced Nexium) who were charged alongside founder Keith Raniere after his arrest in Mexico, Bronfman is the first to be sentenced on the federal charges.

All of them – Bronfman, “Smallville” actress Allison Mack, NXIVM bookkeeper Kathy Russell and mother-daughter duo Nancy and Lauren Salzman – pleaded guilty, setting the stage for a slam dunk six-week trial in Brooklyn last year against lone defendant Raniere, whom prosecutors called a “modern-day Svengali.”

Raniere’s sentencing is scheduled for Oct. 27. The U.S. Attorney’s Office in Brooklyn has requested a sentence of life imprisonment for the convicted cult leader.

https://www.courthousenews.com/seagrams-heiress-gets-nearly-7-years-in-sex-slavery-case/

 

[jaF0]

Keith Raniere, founder of cult-like group NXIVM, sentenced to 120 years in prison
USA Today|3 hours ago
NXIVM founder Keith Raniere was sentenced Tuesday to 120 years in prison for his role in leading a criminal enterprise that included a cult-like group.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/10/27/keith-raniere-nxivm-sentenced/6051713002/

 

[TarnishedPenny]

Branding seems dark, evil. I wonder if as much fuss would have been made over tattoos?

 

[DVS]

A conversation between Allison Mack and Keith Raniere. Very interesting

https://youtu.be/vsxHKDgvhYY

 

[Primalex]

Branding seems dark, evil.

Makes sense to me. I mean, I didn't read up on the history of tattoos for this comment, but right now I would assume that brandings started as marks of ownership (for livestock) and torture and punishment - while tattoos started either as signs of affiliation and/or maturity.

 

[Ginlover]

I've got a friend who does branding. A partner of his wanted to be branded, she came up with a design. My friend likes metal work so made it for her. It took several goes over a period of weeks as he figured out how long to hold it against the skin and how hard. The first few times the burn was too superficial. His partner loved the final result. She told her friends. Several others asked to be branded. My friend liked one of the brand designs so agreed to do it for another woman.

He liked the making process, it was not about power exchange for him, the women mainly saw it as a different form of tattoo. They designed their brand and said where they wanted it. Thou one was a bit upset when she realised my friend would brand her as agreed but had no interest in any sexual contact with her.

Branding might seem darker but in consensual kink it can take a different form. They could've asked for a tattoo or a piercing but they asked for a brand

 

[Primalex]

Branding might seem darker but in consensual kink it can take a different form. They could've asked for a tattoo or a piercing but they asked for a brand

Yes, being sentenced to 120 years in prison is a good inidicator for consensual BDSM activities.

 

[Red__Herring]

I've got a friend who does branding. A partner of his wanted to be branded, she came up with a design. My friend likes metal work so made it for her. It took several goes over a period of weeks as he figured out how long to hold it against the skin and how hard. The first few times the burn was too superficial. His partner loved the final result. She told her friends. Several others asked to be branded. My friend liked one of the brand designs so agreed to do it for another woman.

He liked the making process, it was not about power exchange for him, the women mainly saw it as a different form of tattoo. They designed their brand and said where they wanted it. Thou one was a bit upset when she realised my friend would brand her as agreed but had no interest in any sexual contact with her.

Branding might seem darker but in consensual kink it can take a different form. They could've asked for a tattoo or a piercing but they asked for a brand

But Nezhul mentions that branding is sort of illegal?