The Allison Mack/Nxivm Sex Slavery Cult

[Scareltt]

Being branded…

NXIVM Doctor Who Branded Women Loses Medical License

New York health officials have revoked the medical license of a doctor with the cult-like group NXIVM who branded 17 women with the initials of the group’s leader, Keith Raniere.

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/arti...octor-who-branded-women-loses-medical-license

Am I the only person who is turned on by the idea of being branded?

 

[Mav Unlimited]

Am I the only person who is turned on by the idea of being branded?

I’m quite sure you are not the only person.

 

[Scareltt]

To be fair..

I’m quite sure you are not the only person.

I’m equally excited at the idea of branding someone!

 

[Mav Unlimited]

I’m equally excited at the idea of branding someone!

It is exciting.

A lot of people like the idea but they either don’t know it or think about branding as something entirely different than the sort of possessive (or ownership) feeling/emotion one has about a partner/SO, whether married or not. Maybe it is because it is a permanent mark and people are scared of commitment? I don’t know. There are similarities between the two though.

 

[jaF0]

NXIVM sex cult leader loses appeal, will be imprisoned for life​

Victims testified that they were brought into a sex-slavery pyramid scheme with self-help guru Keith Raniere at the top.
by Nina Pullano

 

[Primalex]

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And this is why plenty of people do not deserve and should not have power.

 

[jaF0]

Opposing those that promote self abuse or abuse of others is not 'petty'.

 

[IrisAlthea]

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Do you feel the same about tattoos, piercings, martial arts like MMA, plastic surgery and circumcision for non-medical reasons, sterilization, extreme bodybuilding etc?

Who gets to decide what you are allowed to do, agree to have done to your own body and where are the limits to that?

Do we incarcerate self harmers and overeaters too? How about those into extremesports?

 

[jaF0]

Do you feel the same about tattoos, piercings, martial arts like MMA, plastic surgery and circumcision for non-medical reasons, sterilization, extreme bodybuilding etc?

I do indeed.

PS can absolutely be disfiguring and self destructive.

 

[IrisAlthea]

I do indeed.

PS can absolutely be disfiguring and self destructive.

Then you are more consistent than most.

Who gets to decide what you are allowed to do, agree to have done to your own body and where are the limits to that?

Do we incarcerate self harmers and overeaters too? How about those into extremesports?

And what about these?

Personally, I think there are a way too many people I wouldn’t want to make those kinds of decisions for me, which is why I prefer to keep the legal possibilities to interfere with what adults can give informed consent to, to a minimum.

those that promote self abuse or abuse of others

I also think there is a difference between talking about an interest in engaging in something and promoting it.

 

[twister947]

Being branded…



Am I the only person who is turned on by the idea of being branded?

Turned on? No.
Intrigued? Yes. My relationship with BDSM is not necessarily a sexual one.

 

[jaF0]

Who gets to decide what you are allowed to do, agree to have done to your own body and where are the limits to that?

If that 'something' has no rational purpose, perhaps it should not be allowed.

Do we incarcerate self harmers and overeaters too?

That is not uncommon, but victims of those practices are usually involuntarily committed to medical facilities or programs for treatment.

How about those into extremesports?

Extreme in what way? Mountain climbing? Marathon running?

Base jumping (and similar 'sports') is illegal in many places.

Racing on tracks is legal, with many safety precautions in place. Street racing is not.

MMA was outlawed for years and should still be in my view. I don't support boxing either as the injury risks far outweigh any positive aspects.

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This 'branding' bullshit is just that and should be outlawed. It serves NO valid purpose at all, in any form. It is purely mutilation. People are not livestock.

 

[twister947]

"People are not livestock."
Correct. People can consent.

 

[IrisAlthea]

If that 'something' has no rational purpose, perhaps it should not be allowed.

You’re kidding, right

 

[ToPleaseHim]

The issues with NXIVM are all related to consent. There was lack of consent, lack of informed consent, abuse of power. This case is very interesting to those of us who have kinky relationships, but we all know the NXIVM scandal isn’t BDSM.

Incidentally, I have a few nice marks on me from some fun we had in the bedroom this evening. I’m not sure they serve what some would consider a “rational purpose,” but I get tingles from head to toe when I see them in a mirror. I would never want to get branded, but I would get a tattoo if he wanted me to. I also refrain from judging informed consensual kink. I would suggest anyone spending time in a BDSM forum refrain from such judgment.

 

[IrisAlthea]

Incidentally, I have a few nice marks on me from some fun we had in the bedroom this evening. I’m not sure they serve what some would consider a “rational purpose,” but I get tingles from head to toe when I see them in a mirror.

Are you implying that you partook in bedroom activities for the sheer fun and tingles?
I’m shocked, I tell you!

If that 'something' has no rational purpose, perhaps it should not be allowed.

That’s the reasoning of the people who call food sustenance.
Down that road looms things like ”no dessert” or ”dancing of music are pure frivolities”. *shudder*

Racing on tracks is legal, with many safety precautions in place. Street racing is not.

Well, this is fun. Now we have both ”legal” and ”rational” to play with.

Street racing can in fact be legal if you organize it legaly, with all the permits, safety precautions and closed roads.
Is it rational, any of the racing? I’d say no, you mostly don’t even get that far and certainly not for a reason like transport etc.
The reason I like it is because I love speed and it’s fun, to the point where it becomes risky and possibly not always healthy, to add another fun word to the mix.

In several US states it would be legal to marry off your underage daughter. In case a pregnancy, it could perhaps even be considered rational, if you’re in certain types of communities.
Informed, consenting adults doing questionable things to each other for their enjoyment, gives me way less stomachache than that.

There was lack of consent, lack of informed consent, abuse of power.

Yup, this.
And it’s sad that society looks differently on this, depending on the cicumstances. (Se above about teen marriage with parental consent)

 

[ToPleaseHim]

Are you implying that you partook in bedroom activities for the sheer fun and tingles?
I’m shocked, I tell you!

If we were to only have sex for rational purposes, would that mean for procreation only? Arguments like these fascinate me. Where’s the line, you know? It’s puritanical and seems a slippery slope to making sex outside of marriage illegal (which I’m sure there is a sect in the US which would like this to be the rule of law, and they would also define marriage in a way that excludes many).

 

[IrisAlthea]

If we were to only have sex for rational purposes, would that mean for procreation only? Arguments like these fascinate me. Where’s the line, you know? It’s puritanical and seems a slippery slope to making sex outside of marriage illegal (which I’m sure there is a sect in the US which would like this to be the rule of law, and they would also define marriage in a way that excludes many).

Yeah, I mean it’s fine as long as I get to decide what is reasonable, just or should be legal. Fine for me at least.
In reality that is usually decided based on what enough people think is reasonable and/or high priority enough to make a fuss about. It can just as likely turn against you and it’s an open door to have Phyllis Schlafly and her ilk (or even worse) come thundering through.

 

[Older_Pervert]

Being branded…



Am I the only person who is turned on by the idea of being branded?

It certainly worked for the (female) author of The Story of O.

 

[Primalex]

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Hrmph.

 

[IrisAlthea]

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Hrmph.

Gesundheit?

 

[jaF0]

Mack's out:

'Smallville' actor released from prison for role in sex-trafficking case tied to cult-like group​

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/ip3/www.msn.com.icoThe Associated Press|14 hours ago
The television actor Allison Mack, who pleaded guilty for her role in a sex-trafficking case tied to the cult-like group NXIVM, has been released from a California prison, according to a government ...

 

[Kenname]

I've started reading up on it a bit here:
https://artvoice.com/2018/04/05/all...iness-former-smallville-actress/#.Wt2eluqsaHs
So...

They are clearly not living in a commune. They have a smartphone each. Yeah, they need to respond fast or face punishment, but that's not really that uncommon.

They don't come along as "poor captive victims" to me, so far. Or am I not getting something here?

I mean, what do I get out of these articles so far:
- They are physically free to come and go as they please.
- They are however obliged to follow orders from their masters.
- They get punished for disobedience or failure to respond to Master's call.
- They got branded with Master's initials.
- They practice sexual play inside their group.
- They have provided intimate information to the group leaders.
- They are all pretty much well-provided for at the very least, and they have places where they can go instead.

With all due respect, it seems to me that it's their CHOICE to stay in that community.

By the way, I can't find anywhere - what started the entire scandal? Did some of the girls go to the police? Had neighbors/families reported a disturbing activity? What exactly happened?

I don't mean to justify abuse here, but the more I read - the more it comes along as a case of a group living so far outside the norms that they attract attention and finger-pointing.

I’m not sure about this either. There were people prosecuted and people not . It said the district attorney just stopped prosecuting the case