The Paradox of the Day

[poppy1963]

There are as many cultures as there are individuals. They're not all forthcoming with their cultural beliefs casually, but get some of them drunk and you'll get an earful.

LOL! So true.

 

[poppy1963]

That is a good question, cause I was wondering that myself. I live in the USA and I have yet to know a USA culture.

OK! I almost missed this...but you speak a true thing here. A US "culture" is much the product of "perception"...If nothing else, this is a lesson I am learning well at Lit. The "culture" is in my mind's defining of it. There are many ways and many cultures.

So submission may be about defining myself by that definiton only OR allowing myself to cross a boundary. This thought is just forming....it needs work. LOL.

I think I may have to move back from additional thoughts on this right now as I can spiral to complex places needlessly.

Thanks for the discussion and please keep adding your thoughts and comments!

 

[BloodFluke]

OK! I almost missed this...but you speak a true thing here. A US "culture" is much the product of "perception"...If nothing else, this is a lesson I am learning well at Lit. The "culture" is in my mind's defining of it. There are many ways and many cultures.

So submission may be about defining myself by that definiton only OR allowing myself to cross a boundary. This thought is just forming....it needs work. LOL.

The more you define them as your boundaries, and refer less to a "culture" the more freedom you have, since you're only dealing with your thoughts on the subject and are only using "culture" as reference points for ideas.

That's the perceived aspect to any "lifestyle" that might trip people up. But the fact is that most people have their own private lifestyles that might make BDSM look very tame. Or there wouldn't be so many crime statistics.

 

[A Desert Rose]

... Submission leads to revilement if it is too complete...therefore can bring about a great degree of loneliness I think.

These are just a couple ideas off the top of my head.

could you please elaborate on this statement? I don't want to jump to conclusions regarding what you may or may not mean.

 

[KinkyRascal]

Always wonderful...

Always wonderful signing onto Lit, finding an interesting thread, watching it drift into the deep philosophical discussion. Like Kirkegaaard in college, so invigorating!

Regardless, of this quote I must add...

Disagreement with me is unnecessary, if it is true in your case, then it's true. I'm leaving room for other truths.

...a sentiment too often found lacking on this site! Well done BloodFluke, we need more of your kind around here!

 

[BloodFluke]

Always wonderful signing onto Lit, finding an interesting thread, watching it drift into the deep philosophical discussion. Like Kirkegaaard in college, so invigorating!

Regardless, of this quote I must add...

...a sentiment too often found lacking on this site! Well done BloodFluke, we need more of your kind around here!

Thank you KinkyRascal. I'll get right on that cloning operation.

 

[Ebonyfire]

OK! I almost missed this...but you speak a true thing here. A US "culture" is much the product of "perception"...If nothing else, this is a lesson I am learning well at Lit. The "culture" is in my mind's defining of it. There are many ways and many cultures.

So submission may be about defining myself by that definiton only OR allowing myself to cross a boundary. This thought is just forming....it needs work. LOL.

I think I may have to move back from additional thoughts on this right now as I can spiral to complex places needlessly.

Thanks for the discussion and please keep adding your thoughts and comments!

Submission could just as simple as this: it's just the way you want to live. It ain't necessarily rocket science.

Eb

 

[Netzach]

Confident submission?

Anyone who's ever worn the title VP of anything would be a good illustration. Cat herding. Exerting a subtle influence that lets the head honcho think it was her idea in the first place. Placating.

My VP is the best.

 

[A Desert Rose]

could you please elaborate on this statement? I don't want to jump to conclusions regarding what you may or may not mean.

Originally Posted by poppy1963
... Submission leads to revilement if it is too complete...therefore can bring about a great degree of loneliness I think.


I know this will be lost in this thread and she won't see it to respond to me.

 

[poppy1963]

Originally Posted by poppy1963
... Submission leads to revilement if it is too complete...therefore can bring about a great degree of loneliness I think.


I know this will be lost in this thread and she won't see it to respond to me.

Ok...this is a statement of a point of reference that I start from (which is a matter of perception and possibly very misguided)...I will do my best to define it better. Keep in mind I am here to explore new points of reference as I deem that would be beneficial.

Submission is seen in the dominant culture as an inferiority of some sort. Of less strength and thus value and those seen as submitting are often critized cruelly with mockery. Despite that the societal subs are in the majority, when this happens to an individual or group, a sense of "cut off" often occurs, thus a great degree of loneliness.

This is a summary of my current point of preference for this. I can see holes but not clearly.

 

[poppy1963]

Confident submission?

Anyone who's ever worn the title VP of anything would be a good illustration. Cat herding. Exerting a subtle influence that lets the head honcho think it was her idea in the first place. Placating.

My VP is the best.

Wow...you are right!

 

[poppy1963]

Submission could just as simple as this: it's just the way you want to live. It ain't necessarily rocket science.

Eb

I am encumbered by mixed emotions mostly fears. There are many fits and starts...and stalls...on some paths I choose. But I walk them anyway...or sometimes I retreat.

 

[A Desert Rose]

Ok...this is a statement of a point of reference that I start from (which is a matter of perception and possibly very misguided)...I will do my best to define it better. Keep in mind I am here to explore new points of reference as I deem that would be beneficial.

Submission is seen in the dominant culture as an inferiority of some sort. Of less strength and thus value and those seen as submitting are often critized cruelly with mockery. Despite that the societal subs are in the majority, when this happens to an individual or group, a sense of "cut off" often occurs, thus a great degree of loneliness.

This is a summary of my current point of preference for this. I can see holes but not clearly.

I understood that from your first post. I guess I've never experienced what you call revilement or the loneliness.

I'm a happy camper at my campsite. I simply don't agree with your assessment of this but that's neither here or there. You're entitled to your opinions and perceptions... as am I.

 

[BloodFluke]

Ok...this is a statement of a point of reference that I start from (which is a matter of perception and possibly very misguided)...I will do my best to define it better. Keep in mind I am here to explore new points of reference as I deem that would be beneficial.

Submission is seen in the dominant culture as an inferiority of some sort. Of less strength and thus value and those seen as submitting are often critized cruelly with mockery. Despite that the societal subs are in the majority, when this happens to an individual or group, a sense of "cut off" often occurs, thus a great degree of loneliness.

This is a summary of my current point of preference for this. I can see holes but not clearly.

Every choice you make is going to give you an opposing side. But it's better to be yourself in a position where you know you're happy and you garner your power from that, than a place where you're miserable and everyone approves.

 

[Ebonyfire]

I am encumbered by mixed emotions mostly fears. There are many fits and starts...and stalls...on some paths I choose. But I walk them anyway...or sometimes I retreat.

Well fear of the unknown is common in any area of life. Fear can certainly be part of a new relationship even if it is a vanilla one. So going slowly and cautiously is not a bad thing in my not so humble opinion.

Eb

 

[poppy1963]

I understood that from your first post. I guess I've never experienced what you call revilement or the loneliness.

I'm a happy camper at my campsite. I simply don't agree with your assessment of this but that's neither here or there. You're entitled to your opinions and perceptions... as am I.

Well, thank you for your efforts. I'm here to learn to step outside my box more. I hope you will continue to comment on whatever strikes you. Perhaps you will watch some transformations in my thinking or ideas.

 

[A Desert Rose]

Ok...this is a statement of a point of reference that I start from (which is a matter of perception and possibly very misguided)...I will do my best to define it better. Keep in mind I am here to explore new points of reference as I deem that would be beneficial.

Submission is seen in the dominant culture as an inferiority of some sort. Of less strength and thus value and those seen as submitting are often critized cruelly with mockery. Despite that the societal subs are in the majority, when this happens to an individual or group, a sense of "cut off" often occurs, thus a great degree of loneliness.

This is a summary of my current point of preference for this. I can see holes but not clearly.

Okay hold the phone!!! I see in your post "often critized cruelly by mockery."

That's me!!! me me me.. right here. Read my sig line. It's there, thanks to this kajiraahava person. She has me pegged or was told how to peg me.

But on topic... sorta... Good luck on your explorations. You will change your mind about some things (as I have over the years) and find new ideas that appeal to you down the road. Happy travels. ;-)

 

[poppy1963]

Well fear of the unknown is common in any area of life. Fear can certainly be part of a new relationship even if it is a vanilla one. So going slowly and cautiously is not a bad thing in my not so humble opinion.

Eb

A little gift for Eb as I am a fan of Mae West as well...hee hee!

 

[Ebonyfire]

A little gift for Eb as I am a fan of Mae West as well...hee hee!

Thank you very much! She had a lot of wit and wisdom and just plain guts!