The Perfect Master?

[alice_underneath]

Kajira Calista, thank you for the response to my question.

And Catalina, thank you for the extended discussion as well.

He is my number one focus, the most important part of my life, but he is not a God, he is not magical (well sometimes he is ), and at times for various reasons I am not going to be ther perfect slave we both desire, nor is he going to always be 100% the perfect Master...we are human.

Your comment has me grinning ear to ear. It reminds me of feedback that I sent to an author after reading one of his stories here at Lit. (He knows who he is, and if he reads this again, I hope it makes him smile!) Here's what I wrote:

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I have read at least 50 Literotica stories in the BDSM category. [ This is what happens to certain women in vanilla marriages. LOL! ]

But yours is the very first story I have read where the Dom makes a mistake, and admits it.

I realize, of course, that the Literotica stories are primarily supposed to be fantasies. But even so, I find fantasies where the characters are portrayed as believable human beings to be soooo much more appealing than the alternative.

The standard script for most stories is: Dom meets girl and instantly knows exactly what to do, how to manipulate her perfectly, how far to go, etc. The girl may fail or exhibit shortcomings, but never the Dom.

Perhaps the point is to create a mythical character ("Super Dom") - that every guy would like to be, and every girl would like to belong to.

But personally, I wish that more writers experienced in the lifestyle would write stories that portray the Doms as actual human beings.

It tells me a lot about your sense of security and self-worth that you would write this chapter.

Secure, truly self-confident people (whether Doms, or anybody else) acknowledge that they are capable of making mistakes - and admit it when they do.

Congratulations. I am very, very impressed.

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Alice

 

[catalina_francisco]

Kajira Calista, thank you for the response to my question.

And Catalina, thank you for the extended discussion as well.

Your comment has me grinning ear to ear. It reminds me of feedback that I sent to an author after reading one of his stories here at Lit. (He knows who he is, and if he reads this again, I hope it makes him smile!) Here's what I wrote:

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I have read at least 50 Literotica stories in the BDSM category. [ This is what happens to certain women in vanilla marriages. LOL! ]

But yours is the very first story I have read where the Dom makes a mistake, and admits it.

I realize, of course, that the Literotica stories are primarily supposed to be fantasies. But even so, I find fantasies where the characters are portrayed as believable human beings to be soooo much more appealing than the alternative.

The standard script for most stories is: Dom meets girl and instantly knows exactly what to do, how to manipulate her perfectly, how far to go, etc. The girl may fail or exhibit shortcomings, but never the Dom.

Perhaps the point is to create a mythical character ("Super Dom") - that every guy would like to be, and every girl would like to belong to.

But personally, I wish that more writers experienced in the lifestyle would write stories that portray the Doms as actual human beings.

It tells me a lot about your sense of security and self-worth that you would write this chapter.

Secure, truly self-confident people (whether Doms, or anybody else) acknowledge that they are capable of making mistakes - and admit it when they do.

Congratulations. I am very, very impressed.

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Alice

LOL, well I have been known to give extended answers, but sheesh you should see some of Francisco's, especially in discussions with our also 'missing in action these days' Pure. OK Pure, we know you are busy moderating that other forum, but you are missed. As to stories with imperfect people in, many of ours are like that...lol, one Dominant is so bad (well lets his emotions overcome his sense of control) that despite a mountain load of requests to submit it, I still have not done so here which also might in part be that I don't know it would be accepted for publishing on Lit.

Catalina

 

[LostSpirit]

please allow me to thank all of you for your thoughts and comments with my initial post

having read the past several entries pretaining to how my ex Master set my limits i can assure you all that i do not wish to enter into another such relationship in real life

i have been lead to believe this was the way a D/sub/slave relationship was meant to be it is all i know

i am a new poster to this bulletin board and i beg forgiveness

may you all have a very happy new year smiles

 

[shy slave]

please allow me to thank all of you for your thoughts and comments with my initial post

having read the past several entries pretaining to how my ex Master set my limits i can assure you all that i do not wish to enter into another such relationship in real life

i have been lead to believe this was the way a D/sub/slave relationship was meant to be it is all i know

i am a new poster to this bulletin board and i beg forgiveness

may you all have a very happy new year smiles

Other people here do have similiar views but sadly they rarely post. I am thinking of OSG, I really enjoy her view of D/s and her posts always make me think about aspects I had not previously considered.

Lit has room for all, but everyone's views, ideas and opinions are questioned at times.
The questions often aimed at gaining a better understanding as oppose to being mean; but that happens sometimes too.

Enjoy being here but for my part i dislike seeing people beg foregiveness from others that they don't know and don't own them.

One of the most unique things i have found about Lit is we are all equal

Edit to Add: I miss Pure too, I didn't always agree but I enjoyed reading each post and they always made me thoughtful and curious. Never mind the other forum, we miss Pure here

 

[LostSpirit]

Other people here do have similiar views but sadly they rarely post. I am thinking of OSG, I really enjoy her view of D/s and her posts always make me think about aspects I had not previously considered.

Lit has room for all, but everyone's views, ideas and opinions are questioned at times.
The questions often aimed at gaining a better understanding as oppose to being mean; but that happens sometimes too.

Enjoy being here but for my part i dislike seeing people beg foregiveness from others that they don't know and don't own them.

One of the most unique things i have found about Lit is we are all equal

thank you shy slave you are correct about we are all equal here smiles

have a wonderful day

 

[catalina_francisco]

I dunno, though we shared some similar ideas and practices, I couldn't get into OSG's persona after the initial introductionperiod, some contradictions, and some other info from people who had known her pre lit days and after, and certainly did not get into the idea it was great to be punched repeatedly in the head by your Master while he was driving at the required speed on the highway...just didn't have any rhyme or reason for me, or for the other people who had no choice but might be killeed or injured as a result of his actions. Choice to be who you are is OK until you involve other non-consenting people in a way which could permanently change their lives in a negative way.

Catalina

 

[shy slave]

I dunno, though we shared some similar ideas and practices, I couldn't get into OSG's persona after the initial introductionperiod, some contradictions, and some other info from people who had known her pre lit days and after, and certainly did not get into the idea it was great to be punched repeatedly in the head by your Master while he was driving at the required speed on the highway...just didn't have any rhyme or reason for me, or for the other people who had no choice but might be killeed or injured as a result of his actions. Choice to be who you are is OK until you involve other non-consenting people in a way which could permanently change their lives in a negative way.

Catalina

I never professed to understand her lifestyle but I liked th different perspective she gave.

I remember one of posts explaining his displeasure when she once ran ahead of him to kick through the fall leaves.
It certainly gave me a different perspective on the aspect of 'slave'

 

[incubus'_sub]

I must admit that I just didn't believe a lot of her stuff, nor did I find it interesting in it's perspective. Dangerous & irresponsible come to mind for both her & her master if their life actually was anything like she described it. I also felt there was an element of oneupmanship in nearly all of her posts, sort of, I'm really extreme so look at me & despair because I do it better than anyone. As if most of us would even want to !

What did amaze me the most was the amount of time she had spare to spend typing on the computer.

OK, there's room for extreme acts on the board, but it does worry me a little to think that there are newbies and those who only read rather than do, who may feel that the extreme is the norm.

 

[FurryFury]

Maybe I should know but I don't know who you guys are talking bout.

Fury

 

[catalina_francisco]

I never professed to understand her lifestyle but I liked th different perspective she gave.

I remember one of posts explaining his displeasure when she once ran ahead of him to kick through the fall leaves.
It certainly gave me a different perspective on the aspect of 'slave'

I actually never felt she had that much of a different perspective on slave aspects than we do, but there are too many contradicitions in later postings as to how things were done and why. SHe did admit they had lots of down time whereby they just snuggled and giggled together, which to me is normal but not something she allowed to be portrayed early on...and their love and relaxed behaviour have been verified by Etoile who says she met them. I also didn't get into the idea that a slave should not enjoy sex, just do it, as for us that would be totally boring and serve little purpose, but if that is their thing more luck to them...and then to me it seemed to be a contradiction in someone who didn't enjoy sex at all and be totally owned to then say they go to swinger type clubs where he goes his way and has sex with women he chooses and she goes hers and has sex with men she chooses.

I'm also not into the idea that it is good to use drugs on a slave (at all) so they can submit to what is going to happen, or can't fight back, but OSG says it is something he does to her often when he wants her to just take it from others. That to me is not submission, but once again is just my opinion. I guess over the period of time here, and her admissions of abuse throughout her whole life, and how she has to be kept locked up and/or supervised at all times or she is going to be propositioned by lots of men on the street just going to the shop (now I have seen beautiful women but have never known anyone who was not able to step outside theoir door without being beseiged by men wanting sex with her) and she will not be able to say no because she is just too submissive to refuse anyone, and the many other famous statements it just kept my radar going between the options of abuse victim and BS to the point I just didn't want to know anymore.

Catalina

 

[shy slave]

Maybe I should know but I don't know who you guys are talking bout.

Fury

ownedsubgirl sometimes posts on here and gives an extreme view of living as a slave.

I somehow missed or forgot that she said he used drugs on her, but she certainly gave/gives an extreme view of being a slave as Catalina states in her post.

As a new person here and to BDSM I always viewed her posts as the more extreme end of slavery. It appears she had a difficult early life and came across (to me) as someone who voluntarily allowed an extreme level of being enslaved.

Its not a lifestyle I could live in, but much the same as looking at a new culture or form of extremist life, for example a religious community; I was, and am, interested in her perspective and view of things.

I prefer the idea of being a slave to a submissive, her level of reality of being a slave made me consider carefully just how I portryed myself on sites like alt in order NOT to be with someone who controlled me to that extent.

I guess I am trying to explain that although some of it was extreme and did not seem possible at times, I learnt a great deal about what I wanted and who I was from analysing her posts.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Just for my edification, and knowing that most of us can rarely be perfect...what qualites make for a good/perfect Master? Either those you find in your Master/Mistress, or those you fantasize about in your dream Master/Mistress?

LOL, now this is one quality I admire in my own perfect Master...his often allowing himself to sample what I am experiencing at his hands, using the guise of needing to know what it feels like if he is doing it to another when really I think he is just showing how much he appreciates what I will endure for him at times. Hmm, I did it, but I also just about threw up and passed out after I finished and decided that despite my phobia which he is working at, being on the receiving end myself was preferrable. Was an interesting way to celebrate the New Year.

Catalina

 

[shy slave]

LOL, now this is one quality I admire in my own perfect Master...his often allowing himself to sample what I am experiencing at his hands, using the guise of needing to know what it feels like if he is doing it to another when really I think he is just showing how much he appreciates what I will endure for him at times. Hmm, I did it, but I also just about threw up and passed out after I finished and decided that despite my phobia which he is working at, being on the receiving end myself was preferrable. Was an interesting way to celebrate the New Year.

Catalina

Thats beyond what I would be able to endure.

I could not have it done nor do it to him.

Your a brave woman catalina

 

[catalina_francisco]

Thats beyond what I would be able to endure.

I could not have it done nor do it to him.

Your a brave woman catalina

LOL, not really...we began with 3 needles in November so he wanted to double it last night at which point I was sweating, begging and pleading even half way through to stop....not that it hurt that much (of course except when I moved unexpectedly and cut my finger on the needle he was holding and began bleeding everywhere ), just my needle phobia. Hated doing it to him, especially as he did his usual blocking it out so he appeared very cool and calm. Hmmm, tonight he says we pierce my labia....want an unexpected visitor!!

Catalina

 

[shy slave]

LOL, not really...we began with 3 needles in November so he wanted to double it last night at which point I was sweating, begging and pleading even half way through to stop....not that it hurt that much (of course except when I moved unexpectedly and cut my finger on the needle he was holding and began bleeding everywhere ), just my needle phobia. Hated doing it to him, especially as he did his usual blocking it out so he appeared very cool and calm. Hmmm, tonight he says we pierce my labia....want an unexpected visitor!!

Catalina

have put kettle on,

your welcome here anytime just leave the needles at home!

F is also welcome but he has to leave his sadistic streak at the door LOL

 

[FurryFury]

Thanks Shy Slave!

I'm glad to know who y'all are talking about.

*hug*

Fury

 

[alice_underneath]

please allow me to thank all of you for your thoughts and comments with my initial post

having read the past several entries pretaining to how my ex Master set my limits i can assure you all that i do not wish to enter into another such relationship in real life

i have been lead to believe this was the way a D/sub/slave relationship was meant to be it is all i know

i am a new poster to this bulletin board and i beg forgiveness

may you all have a very happy new year smiles

Gratitude is always appreciated, and your thanks are gracious indeed.

However, I fail to see why you would beg forgiveness from anyone on this thread, LostSpirit.

*hugs*

Happy New Year.

Alice