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Jerseyshore said:
If you believe Mr. Bqwers there was a dizzying number of gay, lesbian, etc. members of the Hollywood community that indulged in his services. I suspect there is some truth to his allegations about some of the figures in question (there is a great deal of confirmation from other sources on some of them), buyt I also think it shows that Hollywood was no less creative and exciting a place in the "golden age" as it is today. Such an atmosphere tends to attract creative people with a taste for adventure; hence a fair number of queer people are part of that community.

One thing I find as I study queer history is how many of our brithers and sisters from the past were known in that movie community of the time to be queer and how they more or less got away with it and had long, productive careers. We are used to modern Hollywood and its mad rush to be "woke" on queer issues, but imagine a queer actor being part of creating a world of WASP, middle-class life that (iroinically) was created by largely immigrant Jewish studio owners and executives. I strongly suggest Neal Gabler's "An Empire of Their Own: How the Jews Invented Hollywood" for that amazing story. Queer performers may have had to fit into that world professionally, but in their private lives it was much different in many cases. Within sometimes harsh limits they tried to be themselves.
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'woke' has come about from the hyper-exposure given by social media. In the golden days, there were no iphones, twitter or even Murdoch press. I hear what your saying, but 'woke' is a push back against the total lack of privacy: instead of nods and winks everything has to be in the public eye. We all have to be 'out' all the time and it seems like woke is an attempt to redress that. It's not the same world.
 
Jerseyshore said:
If you believe Mr. Bqwers there was a dizzying number of gay, lesbian, etc. members of the Hollywood community that indulged in his services. I suspect there is some truth to his allegations about some of the figures in question (there is a great deal of confirmation from other sources on some of them), buyt I also think it shows that Hollywood was no less creative and exciting a place in the "golden age" as it is today. Such an atmosphere tends to attract creative people with a taste for adventure; hence a fair number of queer people are part of that community.

One thing I find as I study queer history is how many of our brithers and sisters from the past were known in that movie community of the time to be queer and how they more or less got away with it and had long, productive careers. We are used to modern Hollywood and its mad rush to be "woke" on queer issues, but imagine a queer actor being part of creating a world of WASP, middle-class life that (iroinically) was created by largely immigrant Jewish studio owners and executives. I strongly suggest Neal Gabler's "An Empire of Their Own: How the Jews Invented Hollywood" for that amazing story. Queer performers may have had to fit into that world professionally, but in their private lives it was much different in many cases. Within sometimes harsh limits they tried to be themselves.
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Why were queer performers open publicly but not privately? I never thought that could be the case since they are in the public eye.

stickygirl said:
'woke' has come about from the hyper-exposure given by social media. In the golden days, there were no iphones, twitter or even Murdoch press. I hear what your saying, but 'woke' is a push back against the total lack of privacy: instead of nods and winks everything has to be in the public eye. We all have to be 'out' all the time and it seems like woke is an attempt to redress that. It's not the same world.
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It is definitely a different world. There is no privacy, and people seem to think that if you are a private person you must have something bad to hide. I see what you mean about needing to be 'out' all of the time. I think that 'woke' can also represent those who don't identify as LGBTQ, and in general are more aware of what is happening in the present.
 
sally_sparrow said:
Why were queer performers open publicly but not privately? I never thought that could be the case since they are in the public eye.

It is definitely a different world. There is no privacy, and people seem to think that if you are a private person you must have something bad to hide. I see what you mean about needing to be 'out' all of the time. I think that 'woke' can also represent those who don't identify as LGBTQ, and in general are more aware of what is happening in the present.
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woke is a concept I can't get a handle on because I find it a complicated social expression. Certainly it applies to a much broader range of groups than LGBTQ+ and along with it the constant scrutiny.

I understand people's exasperation with what's often decried as snowflakey - wokeness but people don't invent things out of thin air: that's why I see it as a reaction to changing circumstances. In the past actors had more privacy and there was a silent acknowledgement and acceptance of queerness. People weren't policed by rules they way they are today. Teachers aren't allowed to give a sobbing kid a hug; trans women are suddenly a threat in restrooms; doctors can't do examinations without a nurse present. To each of those examples there's a outrager screaming 'but, but, but ...' It's stressful and unnatural and everyone is on their guard all the time. :(

Sorry - I'm not finger-pointing. I'm just as weary of it as anyone.
 
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"Very early into her affair with Katharine Hepburn, Laura Harding became 'sickeningly jealous' of Kate's devoted attention to Hope Williams. One night after rehearsals, Kate and Laura had a big fight in Kate's dressing room that was overheard by the stagehands. "If you want and expect monogamy from me," Kate shouted, "you've got the wrong woman. I will go after any woman—or man—I want, and there's nothing you can do about it."

Laura had stormed out of the theater, vowing never to speak to Kate again, although the two women were planning to drive with Luddy and Jack to Fenwick to meet Kate's parents that weekend.

Hope Williams rejection wasn't on moral grounds. She was, in fact, a lesbian herself and was actively involved in a torrid romance at the time with Tallulah Bankhead.

It was backstage one night that Beatrice Stewart introduced Kate to the dynamic and colorful Alabama belle, Miss Bankhead herself, who had arrived to pick up her date for the evening, Hope Williams, for a late night party in Harlem. Kate and Tallulah did not spark on their first meeting, although they would know each other "as sort of friends" for decades."

-From Katharine the Great (1907-1950) Secrets of a Lifetime--revealed by Darwin Porter
 
Jerseyshore said:
Ms. Harding had a long and productive life in politics and philanthropy, and Ms. hepburn was a regular visitor to her home in New Jersey throughout Lauren;s life.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Barney_Harding
Mr. Porter's book has rather mixed reviews here, but inclkudes a portrait of Hope Williams, whu Ms. Hepburn apparently understudied on the NYC stage.
http://filmstarfacts.com/2017/10/24/darwin-porter-believe-not-pt-1/
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Sorry it's been so long since I've posted here. The links won't work for some reason. It might be on my end. Thank you for the sources :)
 
 
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Judy Holliday's first three starring roles were directed by gay director, George Cukor. She won the Best Actress Academy Award in 1951 for the second of these, Born Yesterday. According to one biography, her career suffered greatly because of her bisexuality. She was one of the many performers banned from working in Hollywood and television due to the McCarthy witch-hunts.

-Excerpt from Bisexual Characters in Film From Ana's to Zee by Wayne M Bryant
 
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"Martha Raye was a minor star in Hollywood. She played opposite Charlie Chaplin in Monsieur Verdoux (1947) and appeared in a number of other films over a forty-year career. In a Washington Post interview, Mark Harris, her seventh (and final) husband revealed that Raye had been bisexual. She told him, 'I went both ways, like yourself.'"

-From Bisexual Characters in Film From Ana's to Zee by Wayne M Bryant
 
sally_sparrow said:
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"Martha Raye was a minor star in Hollywood. She played opposite Charlie Chaplin in Monsieur Verdoux (1947) and appeared in a number of other films over a forty-year career. In a Washington Post interview, Mark Harris, her seventh (and final) husband revealed that Raye had been bisexual. She told him, 'I went both ways, like yourself.'"

-From Bisexual Characters in Film From Ana's to Zee by Wayne M Bryant
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Sally I love your site :heart:
 
stargame said:
Sally I love your site :heart:
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Thanks stargame! Today I have been doing some googling about the beautiful, intelligent Hedy Lemar and just ordered this book: Hedy's Folly

I have been wanting to read about her life for a while now. It's been difficult finding a bio about her life that isn't riddled with fiction, but this one seems to be fairly historically accurate. Once it arrives and I read it I intend to post here about her amazing life. :)
 
sally_sparrow said:
Thanks stargame! Today I have been doing some googling about the beautiful, intelligent Hedy Lemar and just ordered this book: Hedy's Folly

I have been wanting to read about her life for a while now. It's been difficult finding a bio about her life that isn't riddled with fiction, but this one seems to be fairly historically accurate. Once it arrives and I read it I intend to post here about her amazing life. :)
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Oh, a book review? Very interesting :heart:, as is the subject.
 
sally_sparrow said:
Why were queer performers open publicly but not privately? I never thought that could be the case since they are in the public eye.



It is definitely a different world. There is no privacy, and people seem to think that if you are a private person you must have something bad to hide. I see what you mean about needing to be 'out' all of the time. I think that 'woke' can also represent those who don't identify as LGBTQ, and in general are more aware of what is happening in the present.
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Hello, my friend. I have not seen you for a long time. I hope that you and your family are well *hug*
 
sally_sparrow said:
Thanks stargame! Today I have been doing some googling about the beautiful, intelligent Hedy Lemar and just ordered this book: Hedy's Folly

I have been wanting to read about her life for a while now. It's been difficult finding a bio about her life that isn't riddled with fiction, but this one seems to be fairly historically accurate. Once it arrives and I read it I intend to post here about her amazing life. :)
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Have you ever read her self bio, Ecstacy and me?
 
hotwords229_A said:
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I just listened to this podcast today about Sally Rand. Very interesting and she sounds like one of those great people that I wish there were more of.

I thought of your thread while I listened and thought I should share it. :)
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Oh this is great! Thanks so much for thinking of this thread and sharing here!

LincolnDuncan said:
Hello, my friend. I have not seen you for a long time. I hope that you and your family are well *hug*
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Hey there :) it's been a wild ride but I think life is slowing down again. :heart:

LincolnDuncan said:
Have you ever read her self bio, Ecstacy and me?
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I have not, I have another book about her life which I'm almost finished with.
 
Hey Sally! Good to see around again :rose:

Right now I am in agony waiting for Ammonite to be released in an affordable format in the UK... and it was filmed here dammit. Trailer featuring Kate Winslet and Saoirse Ronan... I mean those two are heartbreakers to start with

https://youtu.be/rmmnhBo7a8I

and a Wiki link

and nice long interview where clearly Saoirse is still in awe of Kate and frightened to speak
 
GinnyGina said:
What a fun thread! I love old movies!

The first film that made an impression on me regarding gay women was Dracula's Daughter. I've always found it very moving.

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Thanks for stopping in, and for the contribution :) that is a great addition to the collection :heart:

stickygirl said:
Hey Sally! Good to see around again :rose:

Right now I am in agony waiting for Ammonite to be released in an affordable format in the UK... and it was filmed here dammit. Trailer featuring Kate Winslet and Saoirse Ronan... I mean those two are heartbreakers to start with

https://youtu.be/rmmnhBo7a8I

and a Wiki link

and nice long interview where clearly Saoirse is still in awe of Kate and frightened to speak
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Thanks stickygirl :) This movie looks great just from looking at the cast. Be sure to share your review when you do get to see it :D
 
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