Things that made you swear today.

[Light Ice]

I wonder if that has something to do with dogs being pack animals. You only have to be but so smart if you have superior numbers.

Actually, it has to do with how they've been evolved through a thousand years worth of man-dependent breeding.

There was a special on the domestic dog and the differences, in instinct, that it has with the Wolf.

Two populations were raised by the same people, with the same level of interaction, and the same conditions. Dogs and Wolves.

Food was put in a steel cage in a room. One by one the dogs from the dog population were lead in. The dogs would, over and over again, paw at the cage and then sit and look up at the handler. They'd look at the food and then the handler. Food and then the handler.

The Wolves were given the same treatment.

The wolves never looked at the handler, ever, and ceaselessly attacked the cage from different angles and means attempting to get the food out.

This, and many other exercises, seemed to suggest that the dogs knew intrinsically how to rely on human beings and look to them for solutions to problems. The wolves -never- showed that kind of behavior.

 

[Vail_Indigo]

Actually, it has to do with how they've been evolved through a thousand years worth of man-dependent breeding.

There was a special on the domestic dog and the differences, in instinct, that it has with the Wolf.

Two populations were raised by the same people, with the same level of interaction, and the same conditions. Dogs and Wolves.

Food was put in a steel cage in a room. One by one the dogs from the dog population were lead in. The dogs would, over and over again, paw at the cage and then sit and look up at the handler. They'd look at the food and then the handler. Food and then the handler.

The Wolves were given the same treatment.

The wolves never looked at the handler, ever, and ceaselessly attacked the cage from different angles and means attempting to get the food out.

This, and many other exercises, seemed to suggest that the dogs knew intrinsically how to rely on human beings and look to them for solutions to problems. The wolves -never- showed that kind of behavior.

Interesting. And not really surprising. When you domesticate an animal, even for protection, you want them to 'respect' you in some way. Either because they depend on you, or because they fear you. Otherwise you get bit.
And a couple gazillion generations, and with our intention of making them more and more pliable, well...

 

[Light Ice]

Technically, in intelligence exercises, Dogs run circles around Cats.

As far as survivors, however? Cats are just better equipped then the domestic dog. There's no comparison. You could argue that the average housecat is more readily built for survival then the average Wolf or African Wild Dog, too, so long as you take the Wolves and Wild Dogs as individuals and don't count the benefits they receive from the pack. It just seems like the tools that Cats were provided, along with their instincts, make them one of the world's more successful predators.

As pack animals, though, Wolves and Wild Dogs do significant work to boost their numbers in all categories. The most successful hunters in Africa are the Wild Dogs. Wolves, at one point, were the Alpha Predator in four of seven continents.

 

[Niriate]

True in theoretical sense, but you're comparing one species' strong point vs the other's lesser point.

Btw.. anyone else find it odd that there seem to be multiple 'best predator of the world'?
Some say it's a killer whale, others the great white shark, a tiger.. It's kinda weird..

 

[Vail_Indigo]

True in theoretical sense, but you're comparing one species' strong point vs the other's lesser point.

Btw.. anyone else find it odd that there seem to be multiple 'best predator of the world'?
Some say it's a killer whale, others the great white shark, a tiger.. It's kinda weird..

I gotta give it to the shark, just for its commitment.
Killer Whales, tigers, they seem to do things other than hunt.
The great white does three things: swim, make baby sharks, and eat whatever it can get its mouth on.
I love sharks.

 

[Light Ice]

I gotta give it to the shark, just for its commitment.
Killer Whales, tigers, they seem to do things other than hunt.
The great white does three things: swim, make baby sharks, and eat whatever it can get its mouth on.
I love sharks.

We don't really know that, Vail, or much of anything about the Great White Shark. It's as much a mystery as the Giant Squid and the Sperm Whale.

As far as predators and pure success, though, I'm going to go ahead and blow up the entire field by exiting the field and selecting the humble Ant. If Ant's were the size of Sharks, Lions, Killer Whales, Tigers, Bears, etc?

Well, the world would be a very terrifying place for us.

 

[Vail_Indigo]

We don't really know that, Vail, or much of anything about the Great White Shark. It's as much a mystery as the Giant Squid and the Sperm Whale.

As far as predators and pure success, though, I'm going to go ahead and blow up the entire field by exiting the field and selecting the humble Ant. If Ant's were the size of Sharks, Lions, Killer Whales, Tigers, Bears, etc?

Well, the world would be a very terrifying place for us.

Well, duh, LI.
Have you never seem THEM????

 

[Light Ice]

Well, duh, LI.
Have you never seem THEM????

I was too busy watching US.

rimshot.

 

[Vail_Indigo]

I was too busy watching US.

rimshot.

Did you get that joke from your aunt?

snicker-groan

 

[Veroe]

The Cafe last night.

Who mother fucking wants coffee in their smoothee?
The arm and a leg above mentioned rancid smoothee costed me.

 

[marauder13]

Having my "I'll eat anything at least once" pup swallow a small rubber toy belonging to my youngest son that could have potentially killed him.

Then irrigating said pup with a solution to induce vomiting.

 

[ShadowFighter15]

Having my "I'll eat anything at least once" pup swallow a small rubber toy belonging to my youngest son that could have potentially killed him.

Then irrigating said pup with a solution to induce vomiting.

Note to self: never get a dog.

 

[APassionateFlame]

Waking up at 5 this morning to a pair of already hyper boys who were having a terrible time keeping down the volume whilst I was trying to sleep.

 

[Vail_Indigo]

http://addictinginfo.org/new/?p=1210

 

[Light Ice]

http://addictinginfo.org/new/?p=1210

I see his point. It implies guilt to call someone a "victim" prior to the courts having their say. And, unlike other crimes, being accused of Rape or Sexual Misconduct of any kind tends to hang over someone's head even after acquittal.

But that doesn't mean I agree with the legislation. It's unnecessary.

But I think calling him insensitive is, in truth, a little histrionic.

 

[Vail_Indigo]

I see his point. It implies guilt to call someone a "victim" prior to the courts having their say. And, unlike other crimes, being accused of Rape or Sexual Misconduct of any kind tends to hang over someone's head even after acquittal.

But that doesn't mean I agree with the legislation. It's unnecessary.

But I think calling him insensitive is, in truth, a little histrionic.

No, calling someone a victim implies that they were, in fact, raped.

 

[Vail_Indigo]

and its not like women who go to court as victims of rape don't already have everything about their lives, their history questioned. So, whether they were raped or not, well, thats TOTALLY up in the air.
But a mugging victim? Well, they were obviously mugged because they say so.

 

[Vail_Indigo]

(the one place I DO think the accused is treated inappropriately is that the victim's identity is not revealed outside of court, and the accused does not get that privacy...)

 

[Light Ice]

and its not like women who go to court as victims of rape don't already have everything about their lives, their history questioned. So, whether they were raped or not, well, thats TOTALLY up in the air.
But a mugging victim? Well, they were obviously mugged because they say so.

You're attacking a man from a histrionic basis, not a logical one. His legislation addresses something our law already asserts. You are innocent until proven guilty. The word victim implies that a crime happened, which by law it has not, until the courts said so.

This man's mistake was in attempting to assert this through legislation about specific crimes, rather than all crimes. To attempt to say he's insensitive to rape victims or in someway more supportive of rapists is absolutely ridiculous, Vail.

I don't even agree that there needs to be legislation here and I can see that.

 

[Light Ice]

(the one place I DO think the accused is treated inappropriately is that the victim's identity is not revealed outside of court, and the accused does not get that privacy...)

Rape, in this society, is less tolerated and more despicable of an act then murder. A man that works with my father was falsely accused of rape and acquitted. The woman that accused him was mentally unstable and had zero evidence that they had even had sex, let alone rape.

The fact this didn't even get through the Grand Jury and go to Trial tells you there was no evidence.

But that didn't stop the papers from putting him on the front page. His wife from leaving him. The State from temporarily restraining him from his children and his employers to put him on unpaid leave pending termination.

He's moved across the country now.

That is what this man is addressing attempting to address. His legislation, however, won't stop that it all. It's unnecessary. And it was extremely unfortunate he felt the need to target sexual crimes.

 

[Vail_Indigo]

You're attacking a man from a histrionic basis, not a logical one. His legislation addresses something our law already asserts. You are innocent until proven guilty. The word victim implies that a crime happened, which by law it has not, until the courts said so.

This man's mistake was in attempting to assert this through legislation about specific crimes, rather than all crimes. To attempt to say he's insensitive to rape victims or in someway more supportive of rapists is absolutely ridiculous, Vail.

I don't even agree that there needs to be legislation here and I can see that.

I'm actually not attacking anyone. I'm not saying that the accused should be referred to sa 'the rapist'. I'm not saying they should be referred to as 'the guilty guy'. I'm saying that the victim of rape should not be referred to in any way differently than the victims of other crimes.

However, if the courts ALWAYS referred to the victim of a crime as the accuser (and something else appropriate for people who seem to have been murdered...such as 'the deceased') that would be fine as well.
I think the fact that he DIDN'T do this as a general rule speaks volumes.
Of course, this isn't particualrly surprising, coming from the right.

 

[Vail_Indigo]

My mistake, I misread. I thought you were saying that I was 'attcking' an accuser.
My bad.
However, yes, I'm attacking a person for attempting to minimize a crime that runs rampant and is a massive issue and is perpetually minimized in this society.

 

[Vail_Indigo]

Rape, in this society, is less tolerated and more despicable of an act then murder. A man that works with my father was falsely accused of rape and acquitted. The woman that accused him was mentally unstable and had zero evidence that they had even had sex, let alone rape.

The fact this didn't even get through the Grand Jury and go to Trial tells you there was no evidence.

But that didn't stop the papers from putting him on the front page. His wife from leaving him. The State from temporarily restraining him from his children and his employers to put him on unpaid leave pending termination.

He's moved across the country now.

That is what this man is addressing attempting to address. His legislation, however, won't stop that it all. It's unnecessary. And it was extremely unfortunate he felt the need to target sexual crimes.

and, actually, I did just say that its inappropriate for the accused's identity to be revealed when the victim's is not.

 

[Light Ice]

I think the fact that he DIDN'T do this as a general rule speaks volumes.
Of course, this isn't particualrly surprising, coming from the right.

This is just a stupid statement.

You're essentially implying that all Conservatives are sympathetic to rapists and unsympathetic to accusers. Not only does this bit of legislation do absolutely nothing to suggest that's the case but in general Conservatives are proponents of harsher penalties and less liberties for criminal offenders.

 

[Vail_Indigo]

You are right. The right has never tried to assist rapists or minimize the crime of rape.
Oh, wait, you are wrong.
Here's two quick examples


1. http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=1&vote=00308

2. Palin requiring women to pay for their own 'rape kits'