Tihmmnmmish's Cuddle-Friendly Fireside Threadcast

Happened to check the New Ones. Sometimes they appear early. Like the night before their official day. They have done just so this night. Seven so far. One shy of an 8 pack. Someone swiped it. The eighth one. Must have. Didn't look at them. Save that for tomorrow (assuming I shall still assume the Friday position in the special Friday chair at the special Friday Poetry Review post. I'll admit to the occasional ominous premonition that something pink will come soon, and not the pink more preferred). Okay, I told a wee lie. I looked at one of them. Just one. A peek. No more.

But speaking of happenings, I also happened to glance at a thought-provoking emotive-possessed cry for help the other day. Crying for understanding. It was a prominent and talented writer who wondered why poets didn't just come out and say what they mean and mean what they say... something like that.

I'll go ahead and take the plunge of a fool and try and explain. Not as a poet. But just as a person who has struggled with this since I realized I had memory. In fact this has been a major stumbler over the years.

Let's try this way: One person asks another, "what's your favorite color?" Simple question. The asker doesn't expect much more than a simple one word answer. And maybe many will do that, answer with one simple word: blue, red, purple, orange, green...

But other people, being asked the same thing, "what's your favorite color?" might suddenly freeze up. Not such a simple question to answer. You mean my favorite color right now? Today? You know there's a whole lotta colors. I really have nothing against any of them. They are all beautiful in their own way. Might be tempted to just say 'blue' because it's handy and not untrue. But then, it's like, well, I always say blue. But what about red. I like red too. Red and blue. Yellows. They look good in the winter. Yellow sun. Bright moon. Think of all the shades of gray. You can do a lot with just those shades. So it's not such a simple question. Not really.

Or, suppose someone said to a guitarist, "just play the thing! Just hit an E chord."

Uhh, okay... what kind of pick? thin, thick, medium, plastic, nylon, or no pick at all? thumb? do it close to the saddle, or closer to the neck? bang it or strum it, downstroke, upstroke? On an acoustic or electric? What kind of electric? Strat or les Paul? Which pickup selection? Want it clean or a touch of distortion or a lot of distortion or maybe a little chorus effect?

It just isn't so simple. But it's kind of a turn-on to see so many options at hand.

And if you want to talk about how a line of a poem will best be written... or one action that one character performs in a chunk of 'fiction'? Oh baby!

It isn't so simple.

And even then, whatever words are chosen to try and express what you hope to express, they are never really the right ones. Always another way. So go through as many as possible. Then the first one starts looking good again. And so it goes around and around and around and around and around. Not so simple. For the ones who are able to spit it out and get on to the next, I doff my hat. I can't do it. Can't finish things. Can't. Just can't. Even now. Just don't yell at me. Okay? You don't have to yell.
 
I have a SO that can't finish things, at first it used to drive me crazy but as with most things we learn to cope with other peoples idiosyncrasies and after all it's a part of the people we care about and I am pretty good at pushing things onto the back boiler now. Oh sure I am still guilty of being the nag when things really must be done but I don't yell half as much now!
 
It aggravates people alright.

Seems to be two different styles? See? I think that was a horrible way to say that. I know there's a better but I can't see it right now. After I post it I'll see the better way.

I think on one side are those who know what they want to say, do, get, etc. They want to say something to someone or ask someone something, and a mental menu drops down, they see the list of possible ways to say or ask whatever it is they want to say or ask, and immediately select what they want or need.

On the other side, there is the desire or perceived need to say something, or someone asks something and a similar mental menu drops down, except none of the selections necessarily stand out from the others. They could each express what you want or need to say or answer. But in all sorts of flavors. Or even multiple variations on one flavor and there's a hundred flavors. But you have to pick one. Just one. Someone's waiting for an answer like 'what've you been up to lately?' and they quickly begin to suspect you haven't been up to anything or your memory's so shot you can't remember. But you're really just trying (under pressure) to figure out how to tell all the other possible answers that they may be left out again. It really becomes fun when you pick one and get about halfway but decide to cancel it and go look at the list again. And you'd think things would go different with the written word, but not really because there's more time to ponder more possibilities. Which is actually quite a turn-on. But I can understand why it aggravates those who practice the Just Spit It Out philosophy. On the other hand it gives amateur mimics something else to practice... :)
 
They were fruitful. They multiplied. What were once seven have become twenty. Twenty little fuckers. Twenty darling sweet cuddly little fuckers. Now this a choice: read and review while not being in the mood. Or wait until the mood comes. Which it very well could. It could. It often does. Got all day eh?
 
Update

Have not forsaken the poems (speaking of which, if the powers deem it appropriate to relocate this Fireside threadcast, that will be fine. Location is not a big deal in this case. It started out poetryish but kinda veered. :D).

I said they were little fuckers. But I spoke that amiss. There's some dang hefty fuckers. Which I'm not yet in the mood for. Found couple bite-sized snacks. More my taste at this time.

Rise, by miss trust was just right.

Another snacky piece wasn't bad except for the arching. Which the poet couldn't know of and shouldn't care because the poet should not write to please a reviewer.

Rumpleteazer gets adventurous which I always appreciate. But I wasn't prepared for it but will come back to it.

Some nice chunky porn-style poems... which my mind can appreciate but my belly isn't really hungry for at the moment. Come back to those too. Still early.

We'll get through this... :heart:
 
Hmmm.
I smell
poontang.
I hear
clinks of ice
and squeaks
and a squeal
and a swat
and sighs.
Oh yes
I do
smell poontang
it completes
basil,
lavender,
and poontang.

Marshmallows anyone?
 
Well I'm flattered and honored that I am the instrument that contributed to expanding Annie's horizons in poetics.
:)
 
:heart:
Lovely.
Thank you.

If The Someone Out There at Whom I have winged and slung a certain theory happens to cast a glance this way, I'd like to direct you to an exhibit up in the Suggestions Thread. I submitted a block of prose-poetry wherein I made at least two ideas rub against each other while at least one other was retained within hearing and watching distance.

Three different replies have produced three different interpretations of that single block of prose-poetry.

One said it looked like poontang had overtaken a brain.

Another saw a teacher-student fantasy (yes, a sex fantasy).

Yet another saw a reincarnation or a clone of one of the more legendary figures of Literotica.


It has landed.
 
Oh but no
a good, very good
boy, never a lie
spoken nor
misbehavior
ever thought.
An angel.
Halo, dimples,
pretty blue eyes.
A good, very good boy.
:):heart:
 
so many have tried, so many, so I know all their tricks, their unspeakable intentions; but if you feel you will succeed where none others have, by all means give it a go.

speaking of interpretations, I remain as satisfactorily amazed about the multiple interpretation my block of prose-poetry created. Thing is, I had one particular intent in the expression of my block of prose-poetry, and if I try and look at it in the light of finding a teacher-student fantasy, or resemblance to a legendary literotica member, I really struggle to see where they see it.

now, over in the land of stories, special contest rules have been modified so that only 'stand alone' stories are permitted. Chapters are not permitted. Because chapters simply do not stand alone. Certainly not one single viewer of any single thing denoted as a Chapter could possibly identify it as anything resembling something that could Stand Alone. What they mean, I think, is that there must be observance of a conventional model where something has an identifiable head, middle, and tail.

this is no issue my sensitive system fusses over, because in the relative scheme of all things I really don't care. I just don't think I agree with the conclusions of their reasoning. Which means I think they are wrong. And since I almost always end up being right, about just about everything, I think it would be safe to say they are wrong.

but really the day here is too gorgeous to worry about that beyond seeing it for the amusement it is. you can't force people to see, only try to enlighten and...? maybe somehow somewhere the lights will blink.

Well sorry for the allusion to other states. i just thought it was a curious connection.
 
so many have tried, so many, so I know all their tricks, their unspeakable intentions; but if you feel you will succeed where none others have, by all means give it a go.

speaking of interpretations, I remain as satisfactorily amazed about the multiple interpretation my block of prose-poetry created. Thing is, I had one particular intent in the expression of my block of prose-poetry, and if I try and look at it in the light of finding a teacher-student fantasy, or resemblance to a legendary literotica member, I really struggle to see where they see it.

now, over in the land of stories, special contest rules have been modified so that only 'stand alone' stories are permitted. Chapters are not permitted. Because chapters simply do not stand alone. Certainly not one single viewer of any single thing denoted as a Chapter could possibly identify it as anything resembling something that could Stand Alone. What they mean, I think, is that there must be observance of a conventional model where something has an identifiable head, middle, and tail.

this is no issue my sensitive system fusses over, because in the relative scheme of all things I really don't care. I just don't think I agree with the conclusions of their reasoning. Which means I think they are wrong. And since I almost always end up being right, about just about everything, I think it would be safe to say they are wrong.

but really the day here is too gorgeous to worry about that beyond seeing it for the amusement it is. you can't force people to see, only try to enlighten and...? maybe somehow somewhere the lights will blink.

Well sorry for the allusion to other states. i just thought it was a curious connection.

That's very interesting. I don't go to the prosey forums here much, so I hadn't heard about the chapter thing. I bet many people are up in arms about that because chapter stories are so popular among Lit authors. But I will say that all the best stories I've ever read here, imo, have been stand-alones. Most written by Mr. Zoot, actually, but there are some other writers here whose work I've really admired over the years.

God, I'm having such a senior moment, there was a woman who used to write here, don't think she's around much anymore (if at all). She had a Spanish-sounding user name. She had a gorgeous writing style (wrote some amazing poetry, too). And I can't for the life of me remember her name. She wrote very poetic prose. Maybe Champ or Eve remember.
 
:heart:
Lovely.
Thank you.

If The Someone Out There at Whom I have winged and slung a certain theory happens to cast a glance this way, I'd like to direct you to an exhibit up in the Suggestions Thread. I submitted a block of prose-poetry wherein I made at least two ideas rub against each other while at least one other was retained within hearing and watching distance.

Three different replies have produced three different interpretations of that single block of prose-poetry.

One said it looked like poontang had overtaken a brain.

Another saw a teacher-student fantasy (yes, a sex fantasy).

Yet another saw a reincarnation or a clone of one of the more legendary figures of Literotica.


It has landed.

The best writing has a springboard sort of effect. It can send readers in many different directions and all work equally well. You could have meant all or none of those things, you know? And even more...
 
well now we got a bunch of squiggly wiggly points all calling for attention and they're growing so fast, branching out...

but just for now: so a secret is exposed. accents. Yes, it's a weakness. I live where there is no accent. None. All the more vulnerable.

about multiple interpretations: the latest thing I've been messing around has a metaphorical opening that is intended to wind around a bit until it ends and the literal actions begin. Then last night I thought: what if that metaphor wasn't a metaphor? What if what appeared to be a metaphor was the literal and what appeared literal turned out to be metaphor? And then, even better, what if the two were parallel and declare neither to be either metaphor or literal. Then I realize that's one of those things that looks great in the mind but to do it is an entirely different matter. And in a moment of quiet could come the question, "Why?" to which there is no answer other than it sounds like something that would be fun to try and if it ever came out it would... well it might make a nice something to hang on the wall...
 
so many have tried, so many, so I know all their tricks, their unspeakable intentions; but if you feel you will succeed where none others have, by all means give it a go.

speaking of interpretations, I remain as satisfactorily amazed about the multiple interpretation my block of prose-poetry created. Thing is, I had one particular intent in the expression of my block of prose-poetry, and if I try and look at it in the light of finding a teacher-student fantasy, or resemblance to a legendary literotica member, I really struggle to see where they see it.

now, over in the land of stories, special contest rules have been modified so that only 'stand alone' stories are permitted. Chapters are not permitted. Because chapters simply do not stand alone. Certainly not one single viewer of any single thing denoted as a Chapter could possibly identify it as anything resembling something that could Stand Alone. What they mean, I think, is that there must be observance of a conventional model where something has an identifiable head, middle, and tail.

this is no issue my sensitive system fusses over, because in the relative scheme of all things I really don't care. I just don't think I agree with the conclusions of their reasoning. Which means I think they are wrong. And since I almost always end up being right, about just about everything, I think it would be safe to say they are wrong.

but really the day here is too gorgeous to worry about that beyond seeing it for the amusement it is. you can't force people to see, only try to enlighten and...? maybe somehow somewhere the lights will blink.

Well sorry for the allusion to other states. i just thought it was a curious connection.

Oh, the chapter issue...
sigh, well, obviously a few author's were exploiting the chapter as a way to garnish their Survivor scorecards. Personally, I feel that all the stories that I have written as chapter stories are "stand alone" stories. They broke quite naturally into chapters reflecting the turn of the plot. No big deal though. I have a few stories that are begging for new chapters. I get feedback asking for new chapters all the time. So, I will continue to add to those stories, I just won't be able to count future chapters for Survivor points. No big deal.
 
and the connection between the prose world and this poetry world is that, at this particular point in time, it doesn't matter whether I agree or disagree with how the special contests are set up. certain powers have revised the rulebooks and that's the way it is. If I want to participate I can't write a story and break it up into chapters and submit those as special contest entries. No matter how I might scream and cry how wrong or unfair it is, that's the way it is, now. And that can apply to anything.

Well, really need to go and do something. Something. Even though those squigglies multiply each second. But they always do anyway.
 
well now we got a bunch of squiggly wiggly points all calling for attention and they're growing so fast, branching out...

but just for now: so a secret is exposed. accents. Yes, it's a weakness. I live where there is no accent. None. All the more vulnerable.

about multiple interpretations: the latest thing I've been messing around has a metaphorical opening that is intended to wind around a bit until it ends and the literal actions begin. Then last night I thought: what if that metaphor wasn't a metaphor? What if what appeared to be a metaphor was the literal and what appeared literal turned out to be metaphor? And then, even better, what if the two were parallel and declare neither to be either metaphor or literal. Then I realize that's one of those things that looks great in the mind but to do it is an entirely different matter. And in a moment of quiet could come the question, "Why?" to which there is no answer other than it sounds like something that would be fun to try and if it ever came out it would... well it might make a nice something to hang on the wall...

It is fun to try and why not? :)

I've come to realize though that's it's quite a feat (and maybe dumb luck) if a reader interprets my poem the same way I intended when I wrote it. And I'm not talking nuance or obscure references, but basic ideas or themes I'm trying to communicate. When I first figured this out it bugged the bejeebers out of me. Now I understand that we all bring such different experiences and desires to see what we want in what we read that all but the clearest stuff is likely to be understood differently than intended. And metaphor is like the DNA of poetry, the basic building blocks, so everything--even the seemingly clear stuff--has subtext and is read with different perceptions of different subtexts.

But all that is a strength, I think. I grade student essays for large-scale writing programs. I freelance it a little now, but it used to be a big part of my job, training people to do it and then doing it myself, too. And it can be stultifying because you read responses to the same writing prompts over and over, ad nauseum. And you begin to see that the best writing prompts are the ones that allow writers to respond effectively in many, many different ways. I think poetry (maybe all good non-informative writing--I mean writing whose main purpose is not just to supply information) is best when it can be interpreted many different ways. It will be even it that isn't your purpose when you write it.
 
Oh, the chapter issue...
sigh, well, obviously a few author's were exploiting the chapter as a way to garnish their Survivor scorecards. Personally, I feel that all the stories that I have written as chapter stories are "stand alone" stories. They broke quite naturally into chapters reflecting the turn of the plot. No big deal though. I have a few stories that are begging for new chapters. I get feedback asking for new chapters all the time. So, I will continue to add to those stories, I just won't be able to count future chapters for Survivor points. No big deal.

well just a minute ago came the word 'episode' which is generally considered a separate 'stand alone' story within a context of a certain world. But some episodes have two or more continuing parts. Episodes and chapters could be the same or different, depending on who's looking. Or making the judgment. But I really don't understand: you could have a continuation that could stand alone from the previous and from the following, but you couldn't call it another Chapter. Sorry, but these singed brain cells feebly compute that. I mean, you're right, it really is no big deal, but there's so many easy ways around it that it really isn't a rule at all. So...?

And to bring this back to the Poetry World, I've more than once wondered about taking a story and injecting it full of poetry, and then breaking it up into hundreds of prose-poems. And then make it a series here, but submitted as poetry. Can't hurt to try it huh?
 
It is fun to try and why not? :)

I've come to realize though that's it's quite a feat (and maybe dumb luck) if a reader interprets my poem the same way I intended when I wrote it. And I'm not talking nuance or obscure references, but basic ideas or themes I'm trying to communicate. When I first figured this out it bugged the bejeebers out of me. Now I understand that we all bring such different experiences and desires to see what we want in what we read that all but the clearest stuff is likely to be understood differently than intended. And metaphor is like the DNA of poetry, the basic building blocks, so everything--even the seemingly clear stuff--has subtext and is read with different perceptions of different subtexts.

But all that is a strength, I think. I grade student essays for large-scale writing programs. I freelance it a little now, but it used to be a big part of my job, training people to do it and then doing it myself, too. And it can be stultifying because you read responses to the same writing prompts over and over, ad nauseum. And you begin to see that the best writing prompts are the ones that allow writers to respond effectively in many, many different ways. I think poetry (maybe all good non-informative writing--I mean writing whose main purpose is not just to supply information) is best when it can be interpreted many different ways. It will be even it that isn't your purpose when you write it.

Which means you could go around and around and drive yourself crazy if you keep trying to adjust for this person, then that person, then this crowd and then that crowd... because you would always be behind. Always chasing.


Okay, gotta get... fascinating all this is. Shall be thinking meanwhile
 
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