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It isn't a bad mess. Or an uncomfortable entanglement.

an earlier pearl that caught my attention was the distinction between Informative Writing and Non-informative. I'd never really thought about it that way. Never.

If I'm off about this, feel free to lend correction as it applies.

The way I'm seeing it, is as a line. Okay? Or a stick. You know.

on one end you'd have Informative. On the other end is Non-informative. On the Informative side would be the facts. Telling simple facts. On the other end might be suggestions. Or no facts. Objective versus subjective. At the utmost Informative end might be Dictionary or Encyclopedia or Textbook. At the utmost Non-informative/suggestion end would be... Poetry? And between those two ends...? News journalism might be closer to the Informative end? Fiction story sort of in the middle but favoring the Informative end?

So, if someone is all settled at their computer or in their sofa and they click on or open a story or book and they've put their reception settings to 'Mostly Informative' but they find they are getting 'Mostly Poetic/Suggestive' and whether a story is inside all the jumble of suggestions or no story, it might really frustrate or even extremely upset the one who really just wants the facts dressed up with a few colors and that move along.

So the writer really should (I do hate 'shoulds' and Dos and don'ts, but just for simple understanding sake for now) have an idea the area of the line they want to focus on? At least in each stanza/line/paragraph? And if you aren't careful and you want to try to mix them up (in one stanza/line/paragraph), you can end up with a little mess? Or? suppose you've been way deep over on the suggestion end and you realize you really need to get out and dry off with some nice clear facts.

So much fun to sit and think about this. Too bad the actual Doing is a bigger challenge. :eek:
 
Safe_Bet said:
Eve was right! You ARE a "villanelle slut!" :D
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ty, SB

Hmmnmmish--

I often mull over the same contemplations. Of course, there is a whole other level to what you say. At the risk of making the complicated even more so, did you consider the subconscious yet? As an artist and a psychology student, I have often stood at my easel in front of that intimidating blank canvas and just painted... blocked out everything and just did it... and you know what? Those are the paintings that many people (including myself) admire most. That's how I painted "Recovery," the painting in my sig that is from the perspective of being inside a cave looking at the mouth of the cave & sky. I'm sure you have had instances while writing stories when the characters just seem to take over or something unexpected just clicks and meshes. Don't they often turn out to be your best stories?
 
Are we just talking what we read here or what we are as well? I can quite happily be on my own as I have said before I am my best friend in all the world I like my own company yet on the other hand I can quite happily talk the hind leg off a donkey in a gathering of people. Now aren't they two opposites ends of the stick? The Introvert and the Extrovert I can go with either so what's that make me? An Inextrovert?
 
UnderYourSpell said:
Are we just talking what we read here or what we are as well? I can quite happily be on my own as I have said before I am my best friend in all the world I like my own company yet on the other hand I can quite happily talk the hind leg off a donkey in a gathering of people. Now aren't they two opposites ends of the stick? The Introvert and the Extrovert I can go with either so what's that make me? An Inextrovert?
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Psychologically speaking, it just means you would probably fall in the middle of the introvert/extrovert continuum. I, myself, am strongly introverted.
 
hmmnmm said:
It isn't a bad mess. Or an uncomfortable entanglement.

an earlier pearl that caught my attention was the distinction between Informative Writing and Non-informative. I'd never really thought about it that way. Never.

If I'm off about this, feel free to lend correction as it applies.

The way I'm seeing it, is as a line. Okay? Or a stick. You know.

on one end you'd have Informative. On the other end is Non-informative. On the Informative side would be the facts. Telling simple facts. On the other end might be suggestions. Or no facts. Objective versus subjective. At the utmost Informative end might be Dictionary or Encyclopedia or Textbook. At the utmost Non-informative/suggestion end would be... Poetry? And between those two ends...? News journalism might be closer to the Informative end? Fiction story sort of in the middle but favoring the Informative end?

So, if someone is all settled at their computer or in their sofa and they click on or open a story or book and they've put their reception settings to 'Mostly Informative' but they find they are getting 'Mostly Poetic/Suggestive' and whether a story is inside all the jumble of suggestions or no story, it might really frustrate or even extremely upset the one who really just wants the facts dressed up with a few colors and that move along.

So the writer really should (I do hate 'shoulds' and Dos and don'ts, but just for simple understanding sake for now) have an idea the area of the line they want to focus on? At least in each stanza/line/paragraph? And if you aren't careful and you want to try to mix them up (in one stanza/line/paragraph), you can end up with a little mess? Or? suppose you've been way deep over on the suggestion end and you realize you really need to get out and dry off with some nice clear facts.

So much fun to sit and think about this. Too bad the actual Doing is a bigger challenge. :eek:
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Hmmnmmish, you brought up some other great points about the informative vs. suggestive continuum. I probably would not put poetry at the extreme suggestive end, but it would be more much more suggestive than informative. Poems usually contain a suggestive element, but sometimes it is implied rather than implicitly stated. (haiku, for example) I've made the mistake of writing poems that would fall too close to the suggestive side of the spectrum and they come across as preachy.

What would be on extreme of the non-informative/suggestive side of the spectrum? humor and satire in which the informative part is often implied instead of stated? romance novels?
 
continuum

that's the word, and what a wonderful word: continuum.

Got a whole bunch of continuums crawling and slinking and running all over the place.

Have to think about that other end; maybe it isn't poetry, but I'm not sure about humor or romance. Not saying it isn't. I suspect another more fitting animal might wander by and we'll agree it is the one.

And isn't the midway between introvert and extrovert known as ambivert? Or something... got a squiggly under 'ambivert'.

Wonder about this though: what I've read about the introvert/extrovert continuum, most individuals can operate for at least a short while at any point on that continuum, but there is an area where the individual rests most comfortably. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'll then wonder if other continuums are similar. Say for a writer-type. Maybe there are areas on continuums where one is most comfortable. Yet. If something feels too comfortable, maybe there is an attraction to a more distant point, which calls for stretching, reaching, but maybe not able to stay at that point very comfortably for very long. But you could maybe pick up a few goodies while visiting that distant point and apply them to the comfortable place?

???????

This is all so fascinating.
 
But I'm not in the middle that's what I am trying to say. I could quite easily live as a hermit (with internet and books!!) but I don't think I am introverted I'll talk to anyone! but if there wasn't anyone to talk to it wouldn't faze me
 
hmmnmm said:
And isn't the midway between introvert and extrovert known as ambivert? Or something... got a squiggly under 'ambivert'.
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yes, it is ambivert. One thing that may be of interest to you is the introvert and extrovert does not actually apply exclusively to social styles, as the words are commonly used. From a psychological standpoint, it's really about motivation. An introvert is motivated internally-- with goals, positive self-image, and personal achievement. An extrovert is motivated by people-- goals set by others such as raises and promotions on the job, contests and competition, praise from others. Yes, an introvert is likely to spend more time alone. An extrovert is more likely to be sociable. Those are more like symptoms or traits than the actual definition.

hmmnmm said:
Wonder about this though: what I've read about the introvert/extrovert continuum, most individuals can operate for at least a short while at any point on that continuum, but there is an area where the individual rests most comfortably. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'll then wonder if other continuums are similar. Say for a writer-type. Maybe there are areas on continuums where one is most comfortable. Yet. If something feels too comfortable, maybe there is an attraction to a more distant point, which calls for stretching, reaching, but maybe not able to stay at that point very comfortably for very long. But you could maybe pick up a few goodies while visiting that distant point and apply them to the comfortable place?

???????
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Many, many continuums are that way. Personally, I think we are all born with numerous continuums that account for personality traits, intelligence, talents, diseases, etc. Think about something as common as dieting. Everyone has an appetite and eating habits that they are comfortable with. If they choose to diet, it takes a great deal of effort, but it can be done. After a week or two of dieting, it takes tremedous effort to stay on the diet because we want to go back to what is comfortable.

And, of course, we can always learn something that can be applied to wherever we end up on the continuum.
hmmnmm said:
This is all so fascinating.
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yes, it is.
 
wonder if someone could find attraction to a place on a continuum that isn't where they naturally sit and they develop such a habit for that they discount or just don't see how much smoother life would be if they settled in where the better fit is, reserve the outer places as occasional forays but knowing when to come back and where.
 
hmmnmm said:
wonder if someone could find attraction to a place on a continuum that isn't where they naturally sit and they develop such a habit for that they discount or just don't see how much smoother life would be if they settled in where the better fit is, reserve the outer places as occasional forays but knowing when to come back and where.
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hmmm... sounds like maybe you were talking about sexuality, though what you said could apply to numerous things... any situation in which someone is trying to be something that they aren't naturally inclined to be, right? Am I understanding what you are getting at?
 
wasn't thinking sex really, more like... oh, like... well, if I say finding one's cozy little niche, that'll come off sexual... I mean, I didn't mean come or come off I mean everything will come off... wait, I didn't mean every thing... now a bunch of continuums came awake... wait... I mean...
 
I realize that it can be quite a challenge to make me NOT think you're talking about sex...
 
Funny you mention that like that... or not so funny, since it ties fittingly, I mean it can relate, I mean connect, I mean correspond... to what's simmered in the chambers lately.
 
ahem, maybe.. i mean could you stop stoking the fire? It's getting a lil hot in here. I'm going to take off my sweater.

sigh. I guess it's time for bed anyway. I have to get up in 6 hours. Personally, I think no one should have to get out of bed before, say, 9-ish. In fact, it should be a law. You're allowed to be awake, but not allowed out of bed. I think I'll run for president on that platform.

For now, it seems like I'm the only one who feels that way...
 
Yeah the sandman's calling out here too. But for now, let's say you had a continuum where, during a certain of time you could do what you wanted. The choices might be things you might not really want to do but they're nagging your mind so maybe the free space will make it easier to get to them. Another might be things you have some natural aptitude for but you have to exert yourself to improve which means you'll have more options to play with later on, since you'll have a better grasp of various techniques. Another would be doing what you have some natural ability, which is also fun, but it's something that comes easier than the former. And finally might be something that you know you'll never be 'good' at but it's so much fun it's no matter if you ever get good at it or not. Then if we want to consider how one might fit in society or any given community and the community interests you enough that you wish to serve in what ways you might be capable...

Like, when I was a teenage we had a pool table. I loved playing around. Beautiful game. Could do it all day. Never get tired. Alll day. Just knock those balls around. Except I never got any good. Sometimes I tried to study it a little but didn't get much better and it kinda took the fun out of it. So, as much as I love to play pool I would not be of much service to any person or community playing pool. I would not win you a fur coat trying to be a pool hall hustler. You'd have to find somebody else.

I think about that kind of stuff quite a lot. Probably too much. It would be so wonderful if ideas were as easy to do as to think about. And it's too bad there's not too many people or communities a person can serve just by basically fucking around. Man... that'd be the life.

And now gonna go shuck off these britches and check the fire, just a little stoke poke, throw another hunk inside, turn the damper down, let it slow burn.

Yeah, that'd be the life. Just fucking off.

Night.
 
mind if i jump in?

just wondering if this is confusion enough, too much....

so hmmhmm talks about his teen years and the pool table. his love of the game but lack of improvement in playing.

could the continuum be based on timing?

sometimes we do something, feel a certain way, approach something in a manner and we leave the experience(s) as done & as seen in the light of what we did, how we felt, how we approached them... and we never come back. what if we came back? would be find that we were on the same point of the continuum or would it change based on the new state of mind shaped by intervening experiences and whatnot? so if hmmnmm got a pool table & began playing, would he love it as much? would he have improved? would he find that he improves now that he picks it up again? or would he be as he was?

timing - i'm thinking clock pendulums...
 
Pendulum! Now that's a wonderful word. And it offers... well it offers so much. Why allow restriction in a niche? Why not a rhythmic graze across a linen laden buffet? Certainly some dishes would be more palatable than others but that doesn't mean those others are not at all palatable. At any time. Why leave out any dish that could be thought of? Because that allows the possibility. Maybe some of the possibles are never sampled. But as long as they are there, if the mood came they could be sampled and maybe what didn't appeal as palatable, say, a year ago, suddenly and practically perfectly offers exactly the... the... you know... what was once a distant acknowledgment becomes an overnight happy communion.

Glad you jumped in.
 
over-understatement of the day

all youth is misspent

wait, i did some things i'm quite happy about/proud of
wait, i do have some regrets
wait, "all"?????

gah - i'm going back to my pendulum & i'll be happily pretending it's a swing under a lovely tree and that today is just gorgeous... misspent or not, i like the wind in my face and on my neck and maybe i want to feel youthful and blissfully ignorant of my misspent time.
 
miss_trust said:
over-understatement of the day

all youth is misspent

wait, i did some things i'm quite happy about/proud of
wait, i do have some regrets
wait, "all"?????

gah - i'm going back to my pendulum & i'll be happily pretending it's a swing under a lovely tree and that today is just gorgeous... misspent or not, i like the wind in my face and on my neck and maybe i want to feel youthful and blissfully ignorant of my misspent time.
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Can I come with your pleeeeeeeeeze I'd like to know what it's like to have a blissfull childhood
 
UnderYourSpell said:
Can I come with your pleeeeeeeeeze I'd like to know what it's like to have a blissfull childhood
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blissful childhood? me? if i had been drinking anything you would've seen *[insert liquid type here] spew*

blissful is not an adjective that even remotely describes my childhood - but i'm not unhappy for that.

misspent youth and blissful childhood strike me as two different things though they certainly could converge - i'm just sayin' :D

*quickly grabs some water & raises her glass* Here's to the Pendulum! oh great, glorious pendulum... and your continuum... or is that the Continuum and it's pendulum?

oh frick.
 
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