Tihmmnmmish's Very Laid-Back Summery Poolside Threadcast

[EroticOrogeny]

When I think somebody's poetry is a dud I keep my mouth shut and move on as being the polite thing to do ........ but then that's just me I suppose *snuggles under blanky with bashed ego and doesn't write today like I intended*

Don't let the bastards get you down.

 

[UnderYourSpell]

I'm amazed 'that' poem got through the censor and you are quite right I am sure it goes against Lit guidelines

 

[UnderYourSpell]

Will we have to go back to the fireside chat soon?

 

[hmmnmm]

Will we have to go back to the fireside chat soon?

Been my line of thought lately; just haven't been in the forum mood lately. Got ideas on my mind, pursuits of interest; not meaning to be anti-social.

 

[EroticOrogeny]

May be time to bring this back out of hiding.
Gettting warm here, lots of garden work.

 

[hmmnmm]

It crossed my mind. Except it looks like it's trying to spit a few snowy flurries out there. So it ain't quite fitting. But you can do the pool and I'll be along in a couple weeks. Hope.

 

[wildsweetone]

just had the longest sleep in ages and woke to a chilly morning. had breakfast in bed with a nice hot cuppa and am raring to go for the day. got hot cross buns to get into the oven. yummy. happy easter to you. hope all is well with everyone Up There

 

[hmmnmm]

just had the longest sleep in ages and woke to a chilly morning. had breakfast in bed with a nice hot cuppa and am raring to go for the day. got hot cross buns to get into the oven. yummy. happy easter to you. hope all is well with everyone Up There

Well howdy do WSO Down There!
I just started a fire. A look outside looks like it would be warm, but it juuuusssst nippy enough so an afternoon/evening fire feels juuuussst right.

Sounds like things is fine Down There.

 

[UnderYourSpell]

just had the longest sleep in ages and woke to a chilly morning. had breakfast in bed with a nice hot cuppa and am raring to go for the day. got hot cross buns to get into the oven. yummy. happy easter to you. hope all is well with everyone Up There

As a matter of interest what do you consider chilly? and happy easter to you too

 

[LadynStFreknBed]

Any ideas why Christians celebrate easter even though God calls it an abomination in the Bible? i just, I don't, I can't seem to wrap my mind around that.

 

[EroticOrogeny]

Any ideas why Christians celebrate easter even though God calls it an abomination in the Bible? i just, I don't, I can't seem to wrap my mind around that.

I'm not sure I follow your scriptural reference.
My understanding is that the resurrection is the affirmation of Christ's divinity and a symbol of our salvation.
That said, the early church was quite adept at taking existing celebrations and imbuing them with religious significance. For Easter its spring festivals, for Christmas it seems t be the winter solstice. The church has continued in its attempts to focus the calendar for is purposes. To counter the May Day celebrations of the Soviets the Catholic church marks May 1st as the feast of St. Joseph the Worker.

 

[LadynStFreknBed]

I guess I better make sure anyone who reads this understand that I am talking about easter and not reverence of the resurrection. It the bunnies, eggs, use of the term "easter," and sunrise services that I have a problem with- the things directly from the pagan rituals that honor the fertility goddess and female counterpart to Baal.

This link sums up my beliefs pretty well, but I find it is a little light on explaining the origin of Baal and Astarte (Ishtar, Easter) and their son, Tammuz

http://www.albatrus.org/english/festivals/easter/is_easter_pagan.htm

This link explains more of the origin of Baal and Easter:
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-t020.html

My Biblical reference for easter being called an abomination by God is Ezekial 8
as God showed the idolatry among the Israelites and called them abominations and two of the idol worship rituals mentioned have direct ties to easter- the weeping of women for Tammuz and the gazing towards the east in worship of Baal (where easter sunrise services come from) which God called the biggest abomination of all.

My issue isn't with just easter, but also christmas and halloween. Some people claim it's okay to celebrate these, because the meanings have changed for Christians. I once had an argument with a preacher about this issue because my daughter's Sunday school teacher made her participate in an easter egg hunt inside the church! His perspective was also that the meanings were changed. He brought up the point about the rainbow now being used as a symbol by homosexuals, but that does not change it's original meaning as a promise from God. I think he made my point rather well.

I'm confused about a lot of things about Christianity versus churches versus the Bible. I'm not trying to start an argument or upset anyone for sure. Around the holidays that I don't celebrate, I just tend to think about these things. I'm certainly not an authority on religion. Up until about a decade ago, I celebrated all these holidays without even thinking about it. I'm just wondering for those who have researched it, what conclusions did you draw and why?

 

[wildsweetone]

Well howdy do WSO Down There!
I just started a fire. A look outside looks like it would be warm, but it juuuusssst nippy enough so an afternoon/evening fire feels juuuussst right.

Sounds like things is fine Down There.

one of these days i'm going to go back to a place that has a fire place. i miss it still and i've been away from one for years and years. i'm jealous! sounds like your spring weather is pretty near my perfect kind of weather. only thing that would top it is my autumn weather right now. beautiful days and crisp chilly mornings.

things is becoming finer. bit by bit

As a matter of interest what do you consider chilly? and happy easter to you too

anything under 18oC lol no, not really... but it is a heck of a drop from 25 and 26s. chilly to me is the frost mornings, those -2 mornings that make taking a deep breath almost painful. i love them. can't wait to have them. we don't get snow where i live, but further down the country... oh yeah. my kinda paradise.

 

[UnderYourSpell]

I just had a dream last night that came true, nothing spectacular but still ........
I dreamt that i was putting stuff out for the birds to make nests with and they were making loads of them in the shape of hanging baskets then this morning while I was watching the birds from my window I saw a jackdaw pulling material from one of last years hanging baskets to take for a nest!

 

[UnderYourSpell]

I guess I better make sure anyone who reads this understand that I am talking about easter and not reverence of the resurrection. It the bunnies, eggs, use of the term "easter," and sunrise services that I have a problem with- the things directly from the pagan rituals that honor the fertility goddess and female counterpart to Baal.

This link sums up my beliefs pretty well, but I find it is a little light on explaining the origin of Baal and Astarte (Ishtar, Easter) and their son, Tammuz

http://www.albatrus.org/english/festivals/easter/is_easter_pagan.htm

This link explains more of the origin of Baal and Easter:
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-t020.html

My Biblical reference for easter being called an abomination by God is Ezekial 8
as God showed the idolatry among the Israelites and called them abominations and two of the idol worship rituals mentioned have direct ties to easter- the weeping of women for Tammuz and the gazing towards the east in worship of Baal (where easter sunrise services come from) which God called the biggest abomination of all.

My issue isn't with just easter, but also christmas and halloween. Some people claim it's okay to celebrate these, because the meanings have changed for Christians. I once had an argument with a preacher about this issue because my daughter's Sunday school teacher made her participate in an easter egg hunt inside the church! His perspective was also that the meanings were changed. He brought up the point about the rainbow now being used as a symbol by homosexuals, but that does not change it's original meaning as a promise from God. I think he made my point rather well.

I'm confused about a lot of things about Christianity versus churches versus the Bible. I'm not trying to start an argument or upset anyone for sure. Around the holidays that I don't celebrate, I just tend to think about these things. I'm certainly not an authority on religion. Up until about a decade ago, I celebrated all these holidays without even thinking about it. I'm just wondering for those who have researched it, what conclusions did you draw and why?

I used to get confused as a child that we used to have harvest thanksgiving then the produce was sold off inside the chapel, yet Jesus overturned stalls when the same sort of thing was done in God's house

 

[champagne1982]

I used to get confused as a child that we used to have harvest thanksgiving then the produce was sold off inside the chapel, yet Jesus overturned stalls when the same sort of thing was done in God's house

The difference being, UYS, that the merchants were selling sacrificial animals to the celebrants at the temples at exhorbitant prices and the bankers were lending money at usurous interest rates to people who could ill afford to pay them, yet it was Mosaic law that they use unblemished, pure and clean animals in their sacrifice in the temple.

Jesus overturned these stalls and tables in anger that they were defiling the temple with their greed.

 

[UnderYourSpell]

The difference being, UYS, that the merchants were selling sacrificial animals to the celebrants at the temples at exhorbitant prices and the bankers were lending money at usurous interest rates to people who could ill afford to pay them, yet it was Mosaic law that they use unblemished, pure and clean animals in their sacrifice in the temple.

Jesus overturned these stalls and tables in anger that they were defiling the temple with their greed.

So that was it thankyou, I am afraid although I was brought up quite religously (Methodist) my memory of the Bible is very sketchy now, but I was looking at it then with a child's eye and somehow that is one of the things that has stuck in my mind.

 

[hmmnmm]

one of these days i'm going to go back to a place that has a fire place. i miss it still and i've been away from one for years and years. i'm jealous! sounds like your spring weather is pretty near my perfect kind of weather. only thing that would top it is my autumn weather right now. beautiful days and crisp chilly mornings.

things is becoming finer. bit by bit



anything under 18oC lol no, not really... but it is a heck of a drop from 25 and 26s. chilly to me is the frost mornings, those -2 mornings that make taking a deep breath almost painful. i love them. can't wait to have them. we don't get snow where i live, but further down the country... oh yeah. my kinda paradise.

Well that old white wintery feller never wants to leave; gotta just wait til he pries his bony fingers off, and lets the sun have a few months. But it's a brutal beauty, a war in the sky... poetic war, not the kind where anyone really gets hurt. Symphonic.

 

[UnderYourSpell]

Well that old white wintery feller never wants to leave; gotta just wait til he pries his bony fingers off, and lets the sun have a few months. But it's a brutal beauty, a war in the sky... poetic war, not the kind where anyone really gets hurt. Symphonic.

It's when it lands causing treacherous conditions is when people get hurt

 

[LadynStFreknBed]

So that was it thankyou, I am afraid although I was brought up quite religously (Methodist) my memory of the Bible is very sketchy now, but I was looking at it then with a child's eye and somehow that is one of the things that has stuck in my mind.

I definitely agree with Champ. I just wanted to comment that you should be proud of yourself for having that inquistive nature about it. Unfortunately, somewhere along we lose that and just do things cuz that's what's done without asking the important questions. As adults, those who ask such questions are shunned or considered to have the problems like I've been shunned by my whole family for my beliefs. But I guess we wouldn't be much poets if we didn't question.

 

[UnderYourSpell]

I definitely agree with Champ. I just wanted to comment that you should be proud of yourself for having that inquistive nature about it. Unfortunately, somewhere along we lose that and just do things cuz that's what's done without asking the important questions. As adults, those who ask such questions are shunned or considered to have the problems like I've been shunned by my whole family for my beliefs. But I guess we wouldn't be much poets if we didn't question.

This ties in a lot with what's being said on another thread about 'the shape of madness' which started of quite flippantly then got deeper into the subject. I think that child's inquisitve nature didn't do me any favours ...... stilll reckon I was a changling child lol as in I was so different that it was like the proverbial square peg in a round hole. Reckon my mother couldn't cope so that's where the beatings and verbal abuse came from, doesn't excuse her of course but I probably drove her up the wall

 

[EroticOrogeny]

I guess I better make sure anyone who reads this understand that I am talking about easter and not reverence of the resurrection. It the bunnies, eggs, use of the term "easter," and sunrise services that I have a problem with- the things directly from the pagan rituals that honor the fertility goddess and female counterpart to Baal.

This link sums up my beliefs pretty well, but I find it is a little light on explaining the origin of Baal and Astarte (Ishtar, Easter) and their son, Tammuz

http://www.albatrus.org/english/festivals/easter/is_easter_pagan.htm

This link explains more of the origin of Baal and Easter:
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-t020.html

My Biblical reference for easter being called an abomination by God is Ezekial 8
as God showed the idolatry among the Israelites and called them abominations and two of the idol worship rituals mentioned have direct ties to easter- the weeping of women for Tammuz and the gazing towards the east in worship of Baal (where easter sunrise services come from) which God called the biggest abomination of all.

My issue isn't with just easter, but also christmas and halloween. Some people claim it's okay to celebrate these, because the meanings have changed for Christians. I once had an argument with a preacher about this issue because my daughter's Sunday school teacher made her participate in an easter egg hunt inside the church! His perspective was also that the meanings were changed. He brought up the point about the rainbow now being used as a symbol by homosexuals, but that does not change it's original meaning as a promise from God. I think he made my point rather well.

I'm confused about a lot of things about Christianity versus churches versus the Bible. I'm not trying to start an argument or upset anyone for sure. Around the holidays that I don't celebrate, I just tend to think about these things. I'm certainly not an authority on religion. Up until about a decade ago, I celebrated all these holidays without even thinking about it. I'm just wondering for those who have researched it, what conclusions did you draw and why?

This asks the broader question of what being a Christian means.
I think the essence is in Matthew 22:37-39:
`You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.'
This is the first and greatest commandment.
A second is equally important: `Love your neighbor as yourself.'
The church, as do many religions, has several interests which are more secular than sacred. How many pagans were killed as the church grew and kings and emperors (Constantine for example) declared themselves Christians.

And how are we to read the Bible? One of your links referred to the Flood. As a child taught in a Catholic school I believed it to be true. I no longer find it plausible as an event which can occur during the times in which men were on the planet. Its possible, when the earth was young (at least 3 billion years ago) that there was enough liquid water present and the crust had not yet differentiated to our current separation of buoyant continental crust. As a related matter, the snowball earth hypothesis suggests the entire planet was covered with ice, perhaps as recently as 650 million years ago. CO2 from volcanoes is believed to have resulted in their melting. And the number of animal species on the earth is too great for all of them to be put on a boat, and evolution is too slow for the current diversity. There is evidence for catastrophic floods in historical times and could be both a part of cultural heritage and used as a moral lesson/warning.
I took a geology course which led me to research many areas. Geochronology proved to be quite interesting as searches would turn up numerous fundamentalist sites espousing a young earth (e.g. Bishop Usher's 6000 years) along with the scientific techniques for dating rocks.

I participate in the secular activities of Christmas, Easter and Halloween as they are fun; without attaching any religious significance to them. My belief in God and attempts to maintain conscious contact with Him (Her, It ?) is a largely personal matter. My overall beliefs are strongly colored by my Catholic background, but my faith is considerably different now.

 

[wildsweetone]

Well that old white wintery feller never wants to leave; gotta just wait til he pries his bony fingers off, and lets the sun have a few months. But it's a brutal beauty, a war in the sky... poetic war, not the kind where anyone really gets hurt. Symphonic.

you do things to my brain. good things.


yesterday i wandered through a local art gallery... i've been doing more of this kind of thing in the last couple of months (wandering off by myself, shunning the ties that once bound me) and loving what i see in nooks and crannies of places i've not been before. this gallery had a painting on the wall (surprise, surprise) but it wasn't just any kind of painting it was ethereal, perfection and imperfection.

painted in acrylics, the muted background was various tones of green, probably about 10 different tones. out of the background came wisps of white that almost abstractly and very gently, turned into long winged birds in flight. some almost seemed to disappear into the green, some were strongly contrasting against the background.

it made me wonder at a green sky, at what level the world would be at for the sky to change into such a poetic veil. what would happen that would wash the colours in that way, and why. a veil. a shield perhaps of what lays beyond? something only those birds could glimpse perhaps? something we are left only to wonder at and speculate about.

no matter how differently we see creation, all our perspectives of seeing it are going to be unique. and how cool is that?

you personified winter. this painter painted something intangible, untouchable, not quite recognisable. but both spoke to something deep inside me. how cool is that?

 

[hmmnmm]

you do things to my brain. good things.


yesterday i wandered through a local art gallery... i've been doing more of this kind of thing in the last couple of months (wandering off by myself, shunning the ties that once bound me) and loving what i see in nooks and crannies of places i've not been before. this gallery had a painting on the wall (surprise, surprise) but it wasn't just any kind of painting it was ethereal, perfection and imperfection.

painted in acrylics, the muted background was various tones of green, probably about 10 different tones. out of the background came wisps of white that almost abstractly and very gently, turned into long winged birds in flight. some almost seemed to disappear into the green, some were strongly contrasting against the background.

it made me wonder at a green sky, at what level the world would be at for the sky to change into such a poetic veil. what would happen that would wash the colours in that way, and why. a veil. a shield perhaps of what lays beyond? something only those birds could glimpse perhaps? something we are left only to wonder at and speculate about.

no matter how differently we see creation, all our perspectives of seeing it are going to be unique. and how cool is that?

you personified winter. this painter painted something intangible, untouchable, not quite recognisable. but both spoke to something deep inside me. how cool is that?

And you brought to life what you saw.
Green sky. Love it.
You are inspiration personified.
Thank you.

 

[UnderYourSpell]

If Eve was made of Adam's rib ....... does that make her his clone?