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https://www.icr.org/
https://answersingenesis.org/

Easily proven. Here's the websites. Go to the science articles and have at it. I'll be waiting for your scholarly rebuttals.
Creationism isn't science.

So address the very obvious and observable problems of your theories about the fossil record when what I just described is there. A tree just sat, not rotting, upsidedown for millions of years while the layers formed around it? Dead and dying animals got stuck in the slowly forming layers, got stuck between the layers, and managed to not decay before the next layers formed?
You not understanding how it works isn't proof that it isn't a thing...sorry. There are multiple ways fossils become what they are. Each provides a different but accurate perspective on history.

It's a difficult concept to grasp when you believe the earth is less than a million years old.
 
Where does being younger than other portions equate unreliable? My argument I have made on your points in the Bible have never been that most events in Bible never occurred. My argument has been on how they have been written and understood and promoted over the multiple centuries.

Look at it this way. You could "raise someone from the dead" or even arise from the dead yourself (CPR). "Make water into wine" (common wine kits). Most of the "miracles" in the bible then are common place today.
Jesus didn't do CPR. He said, Lazarus, come forth, after the dude had been dead for 4 days, and Laz got up. Jesus turned water into wine with a word, and premo wine at that! And He raised from the dead after a Roman crucification, after a spear pierced His lungs and heart, by Himself, in a sealed tomb, under Roman guard.
You put your Faith in textual records written by peoples 2000 to 3000 years ago. I have based my "beliefs" on repeatable scientific facts. Those facts are a provable today, as they were when discovered. Nothing in the Bible can be repeated, or reproduced. The bible is not tangible.
It was written down by reliable eye witnesses who watched the events over and over. Jesus did many miracles, not just one. The reliability of the witnesses is one of the greatest testimonies of its reliability .
 
Creationism isn't science.


You not understanding how it works isn't proof that it isn't a thing...sorry. There are multiple ways fossils become what they are. Each provides a different but accurate perspective on history.

It's a difficult concept to grasp when you believe the earth is less than a million years old.
So you won't address evidence presented to the contrary. Got ya. Very scientific of you.
 
So you won't address evidence presented to the contrary. Got ya. Very scientific of you.
That's not what you presented to me. You presented a creationist website as scientific evidence. Creationism is not science. Using a singular, unchanging text cannot ever be science, which relies on evolutions of theories based on repeatable observation and testing. Science continues to change as our understanding changes. Creationism changes interpretation of text to accommodate changes in understanding of our universe
 
There is example evidence of Evolution. I was just reading an article the other day about how a species of birds beak has changed in a very short period of time, since climate change has affected the birds native food. The problem with you is you discard that information or any information or evidence that goes against your belief. While I and others don't take one person's "proof" as fact. Not until others can reproduce that "proof".
And the birds are still... Birds. It's called adaptation. It's built into genetic code. What evolution as you claim it happens needs is NEW code and NEW DNA coming into being out of nothing, adding NEW information, and thereby one KIND of animal becoming a NEW KIND. We don't have one example of that happening anywhere in nature.
 
That's not what you presented to me. You presented a creationist website as scientific evidence. Creationism is not science. Using a singular, unchanging text cannot ever be science, which relies on evolutions of theories based on repeatable observation and testing. Science continues to change as our understanding changes. Creationism changes interpretation of text to accommodate changes in understanding of our universe
They present a whole lot of evidence that is not the Bible. See, you start with a bias and refuse to look at anything contradicting it. That is why what you believe isn't science.
 
Jesus didn't do CPR. He said, Lazarus, come forth, after the dude had been dead for 4 days, and Laz got up. Jesus turned water into wine with a word, and premo wine at that! And He raised from the dead after a Roman crucification, after a spear pierced His lungs and heart, by Himself, in a sealed tomb, under Roman guard.
That is what someone wrote about those events. You and I are not/ were not witness. There is zero physical evidence, only written versions of eye witness accounts. What did you say about today's media? Think spin didn't happen back in the "day".
It was written down by reliable eye witnesses who watched the events over and over. Jesus did many miracles, not just one. The reliability of the witnesses is one of the greatest testimonies of its reliability .
Today, it is noted that eye witness accounts are not always reliable. Why? Well because we understand how the brain processes memories. Unlike computers, the Brain doesn't store a re-playable version.

The brain works pretty much the same today, as it did 2000 years ago.
 
They present a whole lot of evidence that is not the Bible. See, you start with a bias and refuse to look at anything contradicting it. That is why what you believe isn't science.
That's not what they do.
 
Oh look, parts of the Bible were used (the clear text) to say interracial marriage is against god. Weird.

WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT INTERRACIAL MARRIAGE?

Actually not so clear. The Curse of Ham is one obscure passage that is given no explanation other than why it happened. In other words, it simply records an event. No serious student would turn around and make a singular statement without explanation to a son the foundation of a whole belief system. That would be very poor application indeed.

As for the reason for the Israelites being forbidden to intermarry, they were to be set apart from every culture around them because they were the bearers of God's Word and the ones Messiah would come through. That is made clear in the reasons God gives about that.

So unless the person is in ancient Israel or literally Ham himself, no normal, contextual reading of the text would come to that conclusion. Those conclusions came from racists looking for places to twist into fitting preconceived notions imposed on a text those notions don't fit.
 
And the birds are still... Birds. It's called adaptation.
lol, so you deny "evolution" and make it adaptation.
It's built into genetic code.
What is built into the genetic code? How did the birds DNA modify? How could it know (the DNA that is) that in the future it would have to modify the birds beak?
What evolution as you claim it happens needs is NEW code and NEW DNA coming into being out of nothing, adding NEW information, and thereby one KIND of animal becoming a NEW KIND.
Evolution doesn't mean one species of bird (for example) evolved into a different species of bird overnight.
We don't have one example of that happening anywhere in nature.
Oh I shouldn't open this can, but I'm curious. So how do you explain Neanderthal? How about Homo Sapiens, or even Denisovan? Did God create all three as separate versions of man? Did he decide he didn't like the Neanderthal and Denisovans and wiped em out?

There are records of species which show clearly how Evolution works, and yes if the time period is long enough species evolve into different versions.

 
Actually not so clear. The Curse of Ham is one obscure passage that is given no explanation other than why it happened. In other words, it simply records an event. No serious student would turn around and make a singular statement without explanation to a son the foundation of a whole belief system. That would be very poor application indeed.

As for the reason for the Israelites being forbidden to intermarry, they were to be set apart from every culture around them because they were the bearers of God's Word and the ones Messiah would come through. That is made clear in the reasons God gives about that.

So unless the person is in ancient Israel or literally Ham himself, no normal, contextual reading of the text would come to that conclusion. Those conclusions came from racists looking for places to twist into fitting preconceived notions imposed on a text those notions don't fit.
So your interpretation is different.

Interesting take, Ferris
 
"There is only one, clear text"

-----proceeds to write a four paragraph explanation of a two line passage-----
 
Nostradamus did the same thing. Hell we have people here on this form "predicting". Someone could find a copy of Jules Verne's 20,000 leagues beneath the seas in 10,000 years from now,and make the claim Jules Verne was predicting the future.
We aren't talking general, broad statements that could apply in several places. We are talking kings named by name before their kingdom ever existed. We are talking cities, not even major ones, listed by name with their fate spelled out in detail. We are talking exact times and dates of events in nations not Israel under kings who had no interest in Scripture. We are talking humanly impossible prophecy.
 
Did you scroll down to the many science-heavy articles on there?
Sorry. I just can’t, refuse to take you seriously. The Bible and its passages from creationism to the curse of ham have done a lot of damage. Interpreting the Bible is fluid based on individual reading. Science and the scientific method better strives for truth. Science is what I will worship until faith turns to fact.
 
lol, so you deny "evolution" and make it adaptation.
No, I deny MACRO-evolution. Adaptation is not evolution. What you require for what you say happened is new code. There is not one example of any mutation in the DNA anywhere producing one new piece of new code. Every known mutation ends up LOSING information. That's exactly what the evolution you claim can't have happening for it to work.
What is built into the genetic code? How did the birds DNA modify? How could it know (the DNA that is) that in the future it would have to modify the birds beak?
Simple. Known variations in kind inside the same kind.
Evolution doesn't mean one species of bird (for example) evolved into a different species of bird overnight.
So we have to take it on faith that it happens over billions of years because it can't be observed. That's not science.
Oh I shouldn't open this can, but I'm curious. So how do you explain Neanderthal? How about Homo Sapiens, or even Denisovan? Did God create all three as separate versions of man? Did he decide he didn't like the Neanderthal and Denisovans and wiped em out?
https://educateforlife.org/false-missing-links/
There are records of species which show clearly how Evolution works, and yes if the time period is long enough species evolve into different versions.

Yet you have to accept that on blind faith because no evidence supports it
 
Also, even if Faith manifests itself into tangible fact, the God of the Bible will still not be worthy of my worship.
 
Also, even if Faith manifests itself into tangible fact, the God of the Bible will still not be worthy of my worship.
And that, my friend, is a statement you will answer to Him for one day... as you bow the knee in worship.
 
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