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[ll74]

Some so called Christians call themselves that, but not based on any Biblical definition, which is the only legitimate definition, just as the Koran defines what Islam is.

A different interpretation.

A true Christian, according to the Bible, is one who has put their faith and trust in Christ and Christ alone as their Lord and their Savior. They don't put their trust in their own works to get them to God. They don't trust their own merit to keep them with God. And they treat seriously the Word that God put forth as His. Because of this, any true Christian is going to have to take certain stances because the Book takes certain stances. If you don't believe the Book, then you have no basis to call yourself a Christian by very definition. It would be like me going out and slaughtering a bunch of people in the name of the great white buffalo and being labeled a native American murderer. What I did had nothing to do with what I claimed.

The Bible actually warns against those who would claim to be Christians and are not and would go around denying by their actions the very Faith they claim. So those who would be for abortion or would support homosexuality as a legitimate lifestyle, those very same people deny the legitimacy of the Scripture that is the very basis of their so-called faith.

Lol

 

[JaySecrets]

A different interpretation.

Leviticus 18:22 ~ You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 ~ If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

Jude 1:7 ~ Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

Romans 1:26-28 ~ For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.

Genesis 2:24 - Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

Mark 10:6-9 ~ But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Timothy 1:8-11 ESV - Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.

1 Corinthians 7:2 - But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.

How is that open to interpretation again?

Lol

Scripture defines what a Christian is, not people's opinions. The definition of a Christian is not subjective.

 

[ll74]

Leviticus 18:22 ~ You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 ~ If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

Jude 1:7 ~ Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

Romans 1:26-28 ~ For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.

Genesis 2:24 - Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

Mark 10:6-9 ~ But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Timothy 1:8-11 ESV - Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.

1 Corinthians 7:2 - But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.

How is that open to interpretation again?

Scripture defines what a Christian is, not people's opinions. The definition of a Christian is not subjective.

You did exactly what I thought you'd do.

Interpretation is subjective.. even Christians who interpret your book differently. They are no less Christian than you are.

As for "how" they do so....you'd have to ask them. I'm sure you'd accept their views...lol

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Wrong. They don't normally read a manual AS poetry, but they apply the same textual interpretation rules. In fact, it's those very rules that tell you that you're reading a literal manual as opposed to poetic metaphor. Not reading it in the same way does not change the interpretation rules; those rules dictate how each is read and understood.

Ok, the Bible is just a made up poem.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Leviticus 18:22 ~ You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 ~ If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

Jude 1:7 ~ Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

Romans 1:26-28 ~ For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.

Genesis 2:24 - Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

Mark 10:6-9 ~ But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Timothy 1:8-11 ESV - Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.

1 Corinthians 7:2 - But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.

How is that open to interpretation again?

Scripture defines what a Christian is, not people's opinions. The definition of a Christian is not subjective.

What’s the definition of a rich man?
Matthew 19:23-26 King James Version (KJV)Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

 

[JaySecrets]

You did exactly what I thought you'd do.

Interpretation is subjective.. even Christians who interpret your book differently. They are no less Christian than you are.

As for "how" they do so....you'd have to ask them. I'm sure you'd accept their views...lol

I am aware of how they do it. They change the wording in the New Testament to "male prostitute" (there is zero justification for that translation in the Greek), and put the Old Testament God against Jesus of the New Testament. Problem is that Jesus said He IS the God of the Old Testament, the I AM. Their views are based on their feelings, not the words in the text. The text is very clear.

 

[JaySecrets]

Ok, the Bible is just a made up poem.

Again, obtuse. There are poems in the Bible, because God invented poetry and gave it as a means of communication and worship. There are songs. There are parables given to teach lessons. There are also histories and Laws and prophecies and teachings and myriad other things. Peter says that in the Bible we are given "all things that pertain to life".

And poetry doesn't always mean fiction. It usually or often means the expression of truth in lyrical form. This is easily the definition of poetry in the Bible: truth in lyrical form to easily pass it on through generations.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Again, obtuse. There are poems in the Bible, because God invented poetry and gave it as a means of communication and worship. There are songs. There are parables given to teach lessons. There are also histories and Laws and prophecies and teachings and myriad other things. Peter says that in the Bible we are given "all things that pertain to life".

And poetry doesn't always mean fiction. It usually or often means the expression of truth in lyrical form. This is easily the definition of poetry in the Bible: truth in lyrical form to easily pass it on through generations.

It says Earth is without form.
In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day. ...

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Again, obtuse. There are poems in the Bible, because God invented poetry and gave it as a means of communication and worship. There are songs. There are parables given to teach lessons. There are also histories and Laws and prophecies and teachings and myriad other things. Peter says that in the Bible we are given "all things that pertain to life".

And poetry doesn't always mean fiction. It usually or often means the expression of truth in lyrical form. This is easily the definition of poetry in the Bible: truth in lyrical form to easily pass it on through generations.

So you’re saying the epic Greek poems about The Greek gods is real.
Thanks.

 

[SmokingFap]

Why can’t The People’s Republic of California mind there own damn business

I'm sure you felt the same way when Texas started suing all the other states over their 2020 election procedures.

"Filed by Texas State Attorney General Ken Paxton on December 8, 2020, under the Supreme Court's original jurisdiction, Texas v. Pennsylvania alleged that Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin violated the United States Constitution by changing election procedures through non-legislative means – thus violating"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas...torney,non-legislative means – thus violating

 

[JaySecrets]

What’s the definition of a rich man?
Matthew 19:23-26 King James Version (KJV)Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Not sure your point, but I will bite. The context is clear in the surrounding text:

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.


So dude asks how to get to God. Jesus knows the man's heart and so when the guy asks what commandments (note he didn't want to have to attempt the perfection of all of them, so he looks for a loophole), Jesus pegs him on his points of pride and self reliance. Then He drives the point home: "Sell everything, give it to the poor, and follow me."

This isn't a command to Socialism. Remember that Peter and several other disciples had privately held wealth they used of their own volition to help others. But this dude's response tells you what Jesus was getting at. His god was his riches.

So a rich man is anyone who is consumed by the pursuit of wealth. And that man will have a hard time seeing past his wealth to a need for God.

But that's not the point of the passage either. The point is that it's impossible for rich or poor to be saved because we all have our own idols we put before God. But that's why Jesus came. Ergo that last statement: With men it is impossible, but with God all things are possible.

 

[JaySecrets]

So you’re saying the epic Greek poems about The Greek gods is real.
Thanks.

Man making up God's in their imagination is a far cry from what the Bible contains. Again, just open the Book and read.

 

[SmokingFap]

So you’re saying the epic Greek poems about The Greek gods is real.
Thanks.

The Great Spaghetti Monster in the sky,
The Great Spaghetti Monster, my oh my!
He knows and sees all with his one Great eye,
The Great Spaghetti Monster rules from on high.

Holy shit! Did I just create the one true religion?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Not sure your point, but I will bite. The context is clear in the surrounding text:

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.


So dude asks how to get to God. Jesus knows the man's heart and so when the guy asks what commandments (note he didn't want to have to attempt the perfection of all of them, so he looks for a loophole), Jesus pegs him on his points of pride and self reliance. Then He drives the point home: "Sell everything, give it to the poor, and follow me."

This isn't a command to Socialism. Remember that Peter and several other disciples had privately held wealth they used of their own volition to help others. But this dude's response tells you what Jesus was getting at. His god was his riches.

So a rich man is anyone who is consumed by the pursuit of wealth. And that man will have a hard time seeing past his wealth to a need for God.

But that's not the point of the passage either. The point is that it's impossible for rich or poor to be saved because we all have our own idols we put before God. But that's why Jesus came. Ergo that last statement: With men it is impossible, but with God all things are possible.

So how much makes a man rich?
People today own homes worth 6 figures, they’re going to hell; right?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

The Great Spaghetti Monster in the sky,
The Great Spaghetti Monster, my oh my!
He knows and sees all with his one Great eye,
The Great Spaghetti Monster rules from on high.

Holy shit! Did I just create the one true religion?

It looks like he inspired you with his noodly appendage.

 

[SmokingFap]

Not sure your point, but I will bite. The context is clear in the surrounding text:

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.


So dude asks how to get to God. Jesus knows the man's heart and so when the guy asks what commandments (note he didn't want to have to attempt the perfection of all of them, so he looks for a loophole), Jesus pegs him on his points of pride and self reliance. Then He drives the point home: "Sell everything, give it to the poor, and follow me."

This isn't a command to Socialism. Remember that Peter and several other disciples had privately held wealth they used of their own volition to help others. But this dude's response tells you what Jesus was getting at. His god was his riches.

So a rich man is anyone who is consumed by the pursuit of wealth. And that man will have a hard time seeing past his wealth to a need for God.

But that's not the point of the passage either. The point is that it's impossible for rich or poor to be saved because we all have our own idols we put before God. But that's why Jesus came. Ergo that last statement: With men it is impossible, but with God all things are possible.

I'm sorry, the Bible Board is down the hall. Just past the Neverland Board.

 

[SmokingFap]

It looks like he inspired you with his noodly appendage.

I am SO going to use "noodly appendage" in a raunchy role-play tomorrow...

 

[SmokingFap]

The definition of a Christian is not subjective.

Tell that to all your fellow Christians.

 

[SmokingFap]

Man making up God's in their imagination is a far cry from what the Bible contains. Again, just open the Book and read.

There are many books regarding science, including explanations of the actual origin of the universe as well as the evolution of man from apes. Just open one and read.

 

[JaySecrets]

It says Earth is without form.
In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day. ...

A translation that is more comprehensible in today's English would be "formless and empty". A house frame on its foundation waiting to be built is formless and empty. God spoke and brought about the framework for the universe, then spoke everything that formed and filled it into being. It really is beautiful poetic language to describe what the literal reality.

 

[JaySecrets]

There are many books regarding science, including explanations of the actual origin of the universe as well as the evolution of man from apes. Just open one and read.

I have. Every one of them use bad psudo-science and circular reasoning. That is, the so called science actually violated known scientific law, ignores glaring contributions in the fossil layers, involves outright fraud in the "missing links", and has way too many cases of 1 cites 2 cites 3 cites 4 cites 1, so 1 is really just citing himself in a big loop.

 

[JaySecrets]

Tell that to all your fellow Christians.

What is a Muslim? Regardless of how people want to define it, a Muslim is one who follows the teachings of Mohammed in the Koran and the Hadiths. A Buddhist is one who follows the teachings of Buddha. A Hindu is one who follows the teachings of the Vedas. One who follows the faith tradition of the Native American would be identified by his or her spirit walks. In other words, there are objective definitions telling what a person's faith is regardless of that person's claims.

A Christian is defined, not by self-identifying as believing Jesus was a real and a real nice person and just "being a good person". Atheists and Muslims and followers of the Spaghetti Monster can fit the same definition. Christian literally means "little Christ" (when it was first used) or follower of Christ's way. And when He defines His Way very clearly, when He directs His followers to give full weight to Scripture, and when He lays out what Kingdom people believe in no uncertain terms, when He says He is God, says that He would prove it by rising from the dead then doing it, when He says that He alone stands before the Father as mankind's representative..... The definition of Christian gets REALLY narrow out of Christ's own mouth, regardless of how people want to soften and redefine the word.

 

[JaySecrets]

So how much makes a man rich?
People today own homes worth 6 figures, they’re going to hell; right?

Read the rest of the passage. "With men it is impossible, but with God all things are possible." The disciples had been stunned because they got it. The standard was perfection. If you aren't perfect, you fail. That's the standard a Holy God must have. But that was the point of all those sacrifices leading up to the Cross. They were demonstrations of faith in the coming Messiah, God in flesh. Then He came. And lived the only perfect life ever lived. Then died, the innocent for the guilty. Then was vindicated in His innocence in His rising from the dead. And now the offer of Heaven given because Jesus suffered your hell is freely given to all who will receive it. With men it is impossible, but with God, all things are possible.

 

[ll74]

I am aware of how they do it. They change the wording in the New Testament to "male prostitute" (there is zero justification for that translation in the Greek), and put the Old Testament God against Jesus of the New Testament. Problem is that Jesus said He IS the God of the Old Testament, the I AM. Their views are based on their feelings, not the words in the text. The text is very clear.

They interpret your book differently than you do. The text is very clear to you one way and very clear to them another.

People take out verses that aren't relevant to them all the time....which is why you can wear polyester and not be stoned to death. But I'm sure you changing text to be metaphorical when you need it to be is fine, but when they do it, it's wrong.

 

[JaySecrets]

We don't know

Everything you said boils down to this one statement. That's the core of what evolution has when it is pointed out that there is zero tangible evidence of change from one kind into another. "We don't know. We will find out in time." You know what that is called? Blind faith.