Warping sexuality

[catalina_francisco]

Hi Francisco,
Thanks for drawing attention to the differences of the two articles. Just now I read the first, and want to comment on the BDSM as therapy concept:

{Title} "Therapy and Behavioral Modification in BDSM"

excerpt:

Often therapeutic BDSM goes no further than that -- the reinforcement of the feeling that one is loved and is capable of love, no matter what one's flaws or previous experiences of life.

But some therapeutic BDSM goes further. For example, it is common for tops and doms to reassure bottoms and subs about their self-images and insecurities, or even to engineer play and aftercare to reinforce positive, beneficial self-views. A person without some inner doubts about his or her beauty, intelligence, competence, or desirability is rare. D/S offers a natural framework whereby the dom can sometimes offer the submissive reassurances and positive experiences bearing on all kinds of self-doubts.

While I wouldn't deny the choice of any two people, for one to be the psycho- or behavioral therapist for the other, I don't see the above therapeutic goals as having much affinity to DS or SM. These goals are on an orthogonal dimension.

I see DS or SM practices as analogous to 'dating' [or 'living together', if it's that] behavior: One has a responsibility under the law, and generally a responsibility not to seriously injure or cause psychic trauma. Further, one, through consideration (e.g. of their orgasm) is going to get more enjoyment (you catch more bees with honey), so it's not a bad idea.

But no one has a responsibility to provide therapy to 'date' (or spouse) and there are good reasons NOT to undertake it. In any case, it's fine, IMO, to take the 'date' as an adult who'll look after themselves.

The goal of 'corrupting' 'warping' or 'molding' a partner does not have much in common with providing them with therapy or 'therapeutic self-esteem boost.' But I take it part of your point is a similarity of *method*, and that seems to be the case.

This is a first but yes i fully agree with you.

Francisco.

 

[rosco rathbone]

Re: slightly off topic

Can subbies and switches form an orderly queue to take you to the perverse depths and mind fucks of submission.


And... err... me first, me first...

Ok, but if I am a sub I am going to be one of those super big baby, needy subs. That seems to be the point of the whole thing.

 

[Marquis]

Re: Re: slightly off topic

Ok, but if I am a sub I am going to be one of those super big baby, needy subs. That seems to be the point of the whole thing.

Something tells me you've been slacking on your macking recently.

 

[Kajira Callista]

Re: Re: slightly off topic

Ok, but if I am a sub I am going to be one of those super big baby, needy subs. That seems to be the point of the whole thing.

 

[Netzach]

So we need to find you a quiet horse whisperer kind of Top who will feed you cocoa and rub your forehead and let you play with building blocks?

 

[rosco rathbone]

So we need to find you a quiet horse whisperer kind of Top who will feed you cocoa and rub your forehead and let you play with building blocks?

Is that even BDSM?????

it sounds totally awesome.

 

[Pure]

which raises the question, how do you shake up the utterly corrupt. i suppose by training them in virtue.

 

[Netzach]

Is that even BDSM?????

it sounds totally awesome.

Judging by the number of professional dungeons now equipped with nurseries, yes, maybe.

I always wanted to have a "daycare" party for all manner of adult boys and girls -- past the diapering age, early school age, which seems to be a popular point of regression.

I think there's always a form of corruption the depraved think they are sophisticated enough to be versed in that they've not even yet encountered, Pure. There's a long way I'd have to go before training anyone into vanilla modes for lack of a way to warp.

 

[Pure]

yer my kinda gal

 

[~hellbaby~]

Judging by the number of professional dungeons now equipped with nurseries, yes, maybe.

I always wanted to have a "daycare" party for all manner of adult boys and girls -- past the diapering age, early school age, which seems to be a popular point of regression.

I think there's always a form of corruption the depraved think they are sophisticated enough to be versed in that they've not even yet encountered, Pure. There's a long way I'd have to go before training anyone into vanilla modes for lack of a way to warp.

Hehe, no daycare can keep me in I'm waaay to sneeky

 

[Netzach]

Heh.

That sounds fun.

And you sound remarkably like little Netz.

 

[~hellbaby~]

Heh.

That sounds fun.

And you sound remarkably like little Netz.

Me? I don't know who that is but I hope it's not a bad thing!

It is fun. Bein' bad and sneeky are what makes life fun!!{Of course a good spankin' if you get caught is fun too}

 

[Pure]

What about these infantile things in a less voluntary sense. I.e., not requested, but the Master/Mistress's way of amusing herself and humiliating the subordinate (i.e, having them in diapers for a public event).

 

[Netzach]

What about it?

I've not tried that yet, although I have thought often about forced public pants wetting a lot, it factors into my fantasies. NYC, suit, walking around midtown, peeing himself at my behest.

Nasty thing, I am.

 

[~hellbaby~]

What about these infantile things in a less voluntary sense. I.e., not requested, but the Master/Mistress's way of amusing herself and humiliating the subordinate (i.e, having them in diapers for a public event).

No, I don't belive that holds any intrest for me personally, however I have never been asked to perform such a task. Peeing in a parking lot standing in a skirt,but not as an act to humiliate, rather to excite.