Well Dressed Men and Manners

[Wolfman1982]

Stella_Omega: well I see being courteous, polite,Chivalrous and diplomatic a part of what I am. Which to me, is what a gentleman should be like. And what I aim to be, but if any of the things within those subjects are demeaning towards one gender or another . Would it not be okay to remove that part of the equation ? I mean, I know the bible, and I believe in God (not JC as God), I consider myself a Christian in the way of following the teachings/words of JC. And if there is something in the teachings of JC, that I disagree with. Then I ignore that part, heck I do not at all agree with what Paul(us) wrote in his many letters, cause to me Paul(us) (his real name was Saulus) has done so much bad, that I personally have removed myself from "Christianity". That when people ask me, what religion I have. Then I just plainly say "I believe in God, and I try to be a good human being".

 

[Stella_Omega]

You can certainly be a good person and an impolite one. You can consider the good of mankind-- as you do, wolfman-- and be a total fucking butthole about it-- as you so often are and me, too.

You can be polite to the ladies and try to kill all the Jews in Germany. You can be polite to the ladies and lynch black men. You can call women ho's and bitches and save people's lives in a tornado. You can walk away from a pregnant woman and perform heroic feats as a fireman when terrorists hit the Twin Towers.

You can be a feminist and a racist at the same time. You can be a gay activist and a misogynist. You can try to deny a transwoman her rights while you work for the safety of children everywhere.

being good and being polite are not the same thing, and in fact, being good all the time in every situation is kinda... harder to do than you'd think.

 

[Wolfman1982]

Stella_Omega: I am not oblivious to what man(human)kind has done of bad stuff towards other people. What I mean by "ignore" is not what I "teach". Neither did JC or Buddha(Siddhārtha) for that matter. I am not a teacher per se, but I believe in the good of man, but I am not naïve or oblivious to the horrors of what man has done over the centuries. But I think we are moving away from the point of this thread, and into a realm of personal insults and accusations. That would make me irritated, annoyed and perhaps even angry.
So let us stick to the topic. But on Topic, I remember long ago a member of the username PredatorSmile, told a story about how her husband felt like he was emasculated in a situation, where she punched a woman .

 

[Momasboy17404]

Stella_Omega: I am not oblivious to what man(human)kind has done of bad stuff towards other people. What I mean by "ignore" is not what I "teach". Neither did JC or Buddha(Siddhārtha) for that matter. I am not a teacher per se, but I believe in the good of man, but I am not naïve or oblivious to the horrors of what man has done over the centuries. But I think we are moving away from the point of this thread, and into a realm of personal insults and accusations. That would make me irritated, annoyed and perhaps even angry.
So let us stick to the topic. But on Topic, I remember long ago a member of the username PredatorSmile, told a story about how her husband felt like he was emasculated in a situation, where she punched a woman .

The problem is that the bull dyke here thinks she a man and really is clueless to what the OP is talking about because no matter how hard she tries she is not a man.

The fact is feminism has bit women in the ass in many ways. I believe in equality but feminism has taken it to the point of emasculating men. Soon we will be Godless, sexless things that have no identity at all.

Her arguments is nothing but sophistry and not worth your breath.

 

[Wolfman1982]

Anyway I got digging in her old threads so here it is anyway.

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=415490

 

[Wolfman1982]

and I can see exactly the same arguments happening here.
*head desk*

*bows* did you hit your head too hard Me lady ? can I help you to an aspirin ?

 

[Stella_Omega]

So let us stick to the topic. But on Topic, I remember long ago a member of the username PredatorSmile, told a story about how her husband felt like he was emasculated in a situation, where she punched a woman .

Indeed? And what do we learn from that story?

We learn that predator smile's husband shut down after she hit a woman in his defense. And a lot of people said he must have felt emasculated.

What does that have to do with chivalry or being polite, or knowing what the fuck you're talking about when you blow hard?

and I can see exactly the same arguments happening here.
*head desk*

It's pretty funny hearing someone who calls himself momasboy tell us all about feminism and real men etc... just saying

Anyways the point I made on the previous page is that "chivalry" is not politeness courtesy, or common sense. It's a legalistic (as legal went at the time) standard, for how men should behave with each other. Anmyone who thinks opening a door for a lady is "chivalry" is just Miniver Cheevy-ing.

 

[Cratchit]

I dont think well dressed or not matter. Because while i dont wear suits, does that mean i am a bum in other clothing? of course not. It's about what i am most comfortable in. Feeling comfortable brings confidence. I dont need a suit to give me that


I do believe in manners and respect, doing the things to show you have them, but there can be overkill. I mean, do i really need to order her meal for her?? What, so when the waiter/waitress has questions i have to keep looking at her to get the answers. Some women woud look at that as being condescending. That she doesnt know how to order. Do i need to stand when she enters or exits the table? Quite frankly, no, and that isnt beacause i don't have manners. I just think its beyond the point of being needed. It might have been a polite custom back in the day, but what does it reallly show? I guess that the guy wants to be old-fashioned.

If i am on a date, i know how to act proper towards the woman. It isnt about standing when she leaves, its listening to her when she talks about her day, inquiring about things that matter to her. Those are some of the things that will get noticed more than if i order her steak and potatoes for her

 

[Mz_Cunningham]

It's pretty funny hearing someone who calls himself momasboy tell us all about feminism and real men etc... just saying

I was thinking that when I read his ranting

 

[Stella_Omega]

I dont think well dressed or not matter. Because while i dont wear suits, does that mean i am a bum in other clothing? of course not. It's about what i am most comfortable in. Feeling comfortable brings confidence. I dont need a suit to give me that


I do believe in manners and respect, doing the things to show you have them, but there can be overkill. I mean, do i really need to order her meal for her?? What, so when the waiter/waitress has questions i have to keep looking at her to get the answers. Some women woud look at that as being condescending. That she doesnt know how to order. Do i need to stand when she enters or exits the table? Quite frankly, no, and that isnt beacause i don't have manners. I just think its beyond the point of being needed. It might have been a polite custom back in the day, but what does it reallly show? I guess that the guy wants to be old-fashioned.

If i am on a date, i know how to act proper towards the woman. It isnt about standing when she leaves, its listening to her when she talks about her day, inquiring about things that matter to her. Those are some of the things that will get noticed more than if i order her steak and potatoes for her

You WIN.

Although it IS fun to do the whole thing, once in a while. Especially with a woman who isn't used to it-- adorable blushes and confused little smiles.... equally, with a woman who is used to it, then it becomes a dance.

For instance, every time you look to her as you order-- she looks back at you, giving her approval of the way you handle her affairs...

 

[LindsayRae]

Wow? A very bad man who is well dressed and has manners? Didn't know such a blend existed. But, no, it's not a fetish of mine.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Wow? A very bad man who is well dressed and has manners? Didn't know such a blend existed. But, no, it's not a fetish of mine.

man you've just given me the best idea for a story!

 

[sunandshadow]

The fact you do not want viewed as a lady may have something to do why you are not married or cannot find a man willing to be a father to your children. When one lowers the standards of themselves you will usually attract those of the lowest common denominator.

Your incorrect assumption there is that "lady" and "gentleman" are the highest possible standards, so all other standards must be lower. I have my own set of standards about what makes someone a good person. I try to be a good person, and I think I succeed fairly well at it. I consider it most attractive when a man tries and mostly succeeds at being a good person by the same standards I hold myself to. This choosiness is one of the main reasons I'm not married.

They wonder why men are not taking responsibility for the life they help create.

If a man is thinking of his children in terms of responsibility instead of love, to my mind that's a failure. A man to whom children are primarily a responsibility has no business being a father.

 

[AlmostAlice]

The fact is feminism has bit women in the ass in many ways. I believe in equality but feminism has taken it to the point of emasculating men. Soon we will be Godless, sexless things that have no identity at all.

Your problem is assuming all feminism is radical feminism and then attacking the radical feminist straw(wo)man.

I do believe in manners and respect, doing the things to show you have them, but there can be overkill. I mean, do i really need to order her meal for her?? What, so when the waiter/waitress has questions i have to keep looking at her to get the answers. Some women woud look at that as being condescending. That she doesnt know how to order. Do i need to stand when she enters or exits the table? Quite frankly, no, and that isnt beacause i don't have manners. I just think its beyond the point of being needed. It might have been a polite custom back in the day, but what does it reallly show? I guess that the guy wants to be old-fashioned.

If i am on a date, i know how to act proper towards the woman. It isnt about standing when she leaves, its listening to her when she talks about her day, inquiring about things that matter to her. Those are some of the things that will get noticed more than if i order her steak and potatoes for her

YES. This, just this.

 

[TheLM]

@THIS WHOLE TOPIC:

I have pity for those who miss out on human culture.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I have pity for those who miss out on human culture.

If you're talking about chivalry being biology again... you'd better feel sorry for yourself.

 

[Rolando2]

Sharped Dressed man

 

[Stella_Omega]

Sharp Dressed Man

 

[TheLM]

If you're talking about chivalry being biology again... you'd better feel sorry for yourself.

Lol, it IS a part of human evolution.

You can try to fight the scientific community all you want, but until the homosexual community learns the difference between homosexuality and gender identity issues it'll be a lame argument to watch.

 

[JuanVato]

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Am I a dinosaur ladies or do you long for the days when men knew how to be gentleman and treat you like a lady?

NO!!!
Class never goes out of style.
I totally agree with you.
That being said I have seen many "ladies" who compliments the bad mannered men they are with very well.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Well, if we've decided that behaviors are all evolutionarily and biologically based, then I'm pretty sure we suck down to our DNA.
Greed, slavery, war, murder, rape...

Sure, these things are part of us. They are part of every animal on the planet, actually.

But we also have compassion, cooperation, the need for companionship, trust, love, tribal identity, and the ability to adapt and change to a wider degree than any other living creature on this earth we share-- these things are coded into our DNA as well.

I think that's what TheLM is talking about, and in that sense he's right. I was talking about the particular code called "chivalry" however, but I'm going to give up on that and apologise in fact, for muddying the waters. The definition isn't as important as the actions are.

As far as the difference between gender identity and sexual preference-- I so hear you, man! I couldn't agree more, and it's a shame for so many people that transfolk find themselves bundled in under the GLBT umbrella willy-nilly. But maybe a different thread...

 

[GoodReasons]

Wow

Normally when I come across a guy like you it surprises me for a while. I love it. Adore it. But worry if I don't meet the same level of... Well idk.

I like a guy who has that type of class and who can take me by the hand and trusts me to learn with him. I may not know the rules of the place or situation. But I want to trust you because you are worth my trust. You look like you care... And care enough to go though he formalities.

Now even though my site on here or profile doesn't exude class overal in life I do try. I wish I did have someone by my side who was like that.

Sex doesn't have to be crude to be good. And just because you aren't crude doesn't make you not naughty in bed.

So in answer to whether old fashioned is good or bad:


Long winded I guess.... But I personally find it hot. I love a man in a suit too... Often included in fantasy. Hehe

 

[thejdangel]

I feel that manners is not solely the idea of chivalry everyone else is addressing.

Treat others with respect and automatically you have manners. It's not all about the holding of doors, pulling out of chairs etc.

Don't get me wrong I'm not a feminist... I wish I could just be a housewife!

Chivalry has its place in flattery and general kindness but true manners are based on respect and responsibility.

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

Wow? A very bad man who is well dressed and has manners? Didn't know such a blend existed. But, no, it's not a fetish of mine.

Very bad men can indeed be well dressed and have manners. I have noticed within your posts that your thinking is very one dimensional and commonly very derisive. You would be a very boring dinner companion I believe.

To give examples let us review movie characters. Vincent Price as Dr. Phibes or almost any villain in a James Bond movie and let us not forget Hannibal Lector. The scariest bad men are those that seem so cultured and refined yet inside they are dark and sinister.

 

[Stella_Omega]

And a multitude of con artists, snake oil peddlers, and gigolos...