Well Dressed Men and Manners

[sleepwithangels]

i LIKE dinosaurs!

Am I a dinosaur ladies or do you long for the days when men knew how to be gentleman and treat you like a lady?[/QUOTE]

especially a well dressed, well mannered guy who can treat me like a lady....
and later the slut that I am

 

[JustaSCOUNDREL]

Any group of moral or social mores can be for perverted for political or personal gain, however it does not mean that those moral or social mores are what is at fault, merely that those who use them inappropriately are at fault.

historically it was supposed to mean:
Charlemagne's Code of Chivalry-
The worded code of chivalry from Rolands Song 1098-1100.
To fear God and maintain His Church
To serve the liege lord in valour and faith
To protect the weak and defenceless
To give succour to widows and orphans
To refrain from the wanton giving of offence
To live by honour and for glory
To despise pecuniary reward
To fight for the welfare of all
To obey those placed in authority
To guard the honour of fellow knights
To eschew unfairness, meanness and deceit
To keep faith
At all times to speak the truth
To persevere to the end in any enterprise begun
To respect the honour of women
Never to refuse a challenge from an equal
Never to turn the back upon a foe



there appear to be some very nice thoughts amongst that lot, no? And if that is the spirit of chivalry for the most part I say here here!

Well noted and well posted M'lady.

While I may disagree with some of the ideals, in general many of them should be in style today.

While chivalry should be rampant today so should be the common courtesies from only a few years ago.

Mike

 

[JustaSCOUNDREL]

Well, it would be fine if when people spoke of chivalry, that was what they meant.
And, in a way, thats very close to what they mean.
However, the general usage has this tendency to include the phrase "towards women".
Which, whether you think it is good or bad or indifferent, is by definition sexist.

So according to you if I dress nicely, am polite, treat you courteously and care for you I am sexist. If I show up for a date in worn out jeans with holes and a dirty tee shirt I am a sexist. If I walk in your door grab your hair drag you across the floor and .........................I am a sexist.

Your quote. " I am woman hear me piss, moan and whine about men who have never treated me badly but they are MEN after all."

 

[laceNlthrgrrl]

<fanning her sweet self, so as not to "glow" excessively>

How ever did I miss this thread?

I believe that courtesy and politeness go very far to win a person over in all situations.

I believe that one is judged by the company one keeps, and even more so by how one treats those who are in a position of temporary servitude. (In other words, anyone who treats a waitstaff person poorly doesn't stand a snowball's chance in Hades with me. And I shall be watching such interactions.)

I believe that there is too much negativity and challenge in this world. Be comfortable with who you are, and don't bludgeon someone else over the head with your insecurities.

Pleasantness will always win over snarkiness. At leas until one is certain that said snark is appreciated.

Remember what your gramma said about flies and honey/vinegar. It might be more difficult to determine which substance is which, these days, but the thought still counts.

All that said...if one is unduly encumbered (regardless of gender), the less encumbered better damn well open the door! Just be nice to each other, dammit!

 

[Cleophila]

Well, it would be fine if when people spoke of chivalry, that was what they meant.
And, in a way, thats very close to what they mean.
However, the general usage has this tendency to include the phrase "towards women".
Which, whether you think it is good or bad or indifferent, is by definition sexist.

This is exactly the point. "Chivalry" does not just mean being polite and honest and decent, it specifically suggests different behaviours for men and women. It reinforces stereotypical gender roles. It belongs to an age of courtly love where women's role was to be admired, to be pampered, but not to be involved.

Look at the original post. It's content is not about general standards of good conduct and courtesy, it is specifically suggesting that men have a role to play that puts them in a dominant position with relation to women. It suggests men should order dinner for their women!

We all know to open doors but how many men when out to dinner with a lady stand when she does or stands upon her return? When out to dinner find out her order and you order what she wants for her and you order yours.

I know this may seem old fashioned but I think men need to step up and be men. Chivalry and gallantry need to make a come back. Women need to start being ladies again and demand respect and courtesy.

It also makes me sad when I see a women not treated like a lady as she should. I wanted to shake a few men and teach them table manners.

Am I a dinosaur ladies or do you long for the days when men knew how to be gentleman and treat you like a lady?

If you behave in one way toward other men and a different way toward women, it just suggests that you don't think women should be treated the same as men or that they can't fulfil traditionally masculine roles.

Courtesy or politeness is not, anyway, the cornerstone of a good relationship. I'd much prefer someone to connect to emotionally, some one that I get on with personally. The thing with "chivalry" in its traditional sense is that it's all about admiring women not knowing them, not properly, not personally.

You shouldn't have a way that you behave with all "ladies". You should get to know them as individuals and treat them in a way that is appropriate to who they are as a person not to the fact that they are a woman.

 

[Cleophila]

Apparently, you are also a man-hater (so says whats-his-name up there). Oh woe is us

That wouldn't be very good manners of him, though, now, would it?

Anyway, in the genderless anonymity of this forum, how would he know whether I'm a man or woman myself?

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

This is exactly the point. "Chivalry" does not just mean being polite and honest and decent, it specifically suggests different behaviours for men and women. It reinforces stereotypical gender roles. It belongs to an age of courtly love where women's role was to be admired, to be pampered, but not to be involved.

Look at the original post. It's content is not about general standards of good conduct and courtesy, it is specifically suggesting that men have a role to play that puts them in a dominant position with relation to women. It suggests men should order dinner for their women!



If you behave in one way toward other men and a different way toward women, it just suggests that you don't think women should be treated the same as men or that they can't fulfil traditionally masculine roles.

Courtesy or politeness is not, anyway, the cornerstone of a good relationship. I'd much prefer someone to connect to emotionally, some one that I get on with personally. The thing with "chivalry" in its traditional sense is that it's all about admiring women not knowing them, not properly, not personally.

You shouldn't have a way that you behave with all "ladies". You should get to know them as individuals and treat them in a way that is appropriate to who they are as a person not to the fact that they are a woman.

I never suggested anything you have implied I suggested. You also assume far to much about me.

You are entitled to your opinion and I concede that point but your assumptions and interpretations about me or what I said are totally incorrect. To be very honest you ain't got a clue.

Ya know this horseshit was not the intent of my thread. Modern Chivalry in no way demeans, devalues or makes you a second class citizen.

I rarely get angry and it is even more a rarity I direct harsh words at women except during times of intimacy (wiggles eyebrows evilly). However, I'm going to set aside custom and be brutally honest.

You women talk a lot of shit. The fact is women are equal to men but we are different and as such codes of conduct for men and women are different and will always be different as long as time exists. This does not demean you, in fact it protects you.

For example, we all agree that a man should never strike a woman. No matter if she is in your face or even hits you, you just do not hit a woman. I think it is safe to say that we all feel a man who strike a women is no man at all. Why is that? Because women generally are weaker physically than a man. This in no way makes her less. it is just physiology as well as the rule of men that are MEN.

Should we have true equality and I can stomp your ass the same as a man would do to another man under certain conditions?

I believe every women should have the same rights and opportunities as men and equal pay. I believe women should be allowed in combat. I have saluted and followed a woman's order without regard to what is between her legs. Fact is in many areas women are far superior than a man. I think you should be able to go out and fuck as many people as you want without being labeled a whore just like men. I will fight against the double standard.

Fact is I have probably done more to promote feminism than many.

I want to impart a dating experience. I took a woman out to dinner. I opened all doors, stood when she went to the bathroom, stood when she returned, scooted her chair in, lent her my hand in and out of the car as well as down stairs due to her heels and the steepness of the stairs. Yes so I'm old fashioned, shoot me. Upon taking her home I asked her if I may call her for another date? She replied, "no thanks" in a somewhat hostile tone. I asked her if I did anything to offend her? She said I was a chauvinist. I asked how so? She stated all the gentlemanly things I did for her and told me it was chauvinist. So I asked her if she was a feminist? She actually poked me in the chest and said, "that's right buddy". So I replied, "If you are such a feminist how come you did not offer to pay half the price of the dinner or the show"? I then walked away. (cake and eat it too?)

I wholeheartedly support feminism but many women forget what is is to really be a woman. We should revel and rejoice in the differences between the sexes.

Look if you want a fucking little pussy who kisses your ass and allows you to emasculate him by all means go for it. You want to be a shrew go for it. I'm all for whatever you want as you are an adult. But do not feed me a line of horseshit that my being a gentleman and courtly is somehow demeaning. You wonder why men are rude, crass, and ignorant maybe you need to take a good hard look in the mirror. Feminism is meant to give women equality not
destroy manhood.

In conclusion I say this to you ladies, if you want a man who is well dressed, who knows how to be a gentleman and treat you like the lady as you deserve to be treated, I am your guy. If you are looking for a man who is a gentleman in public and a total pervert in private who is willing to to fuck you all night long till the fire in your loins are quenched, I am your guy. Ladies if you are looking for gentleman who is willing to go to extremes to fulfill your heterosexual fantasies, I am your guy. Ladies if you are looking for a man who just wants to be a red blooded all American masculine man, I am your guy. Ladies you want to be walking bowlegged in the morning, I am your guy.

This tread was never intended as a sociology class.

This is my fantasy. This is my fetish. This is who and what I am. Now pipe the fuck down.

 

[teknight]

Women are equal to men...but don't get paid as much.
Hilarious.
Who gets to define what a woman is...if not a woman?

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

Women are equal to men...but don't get paid as much.

On this we agree and is a sorry sad fact as I hear it. However I never really worked in the private sector till recently so I have no direct knowledge.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I think you have to understand that your manners are unusual enough these days that your lady friend might have been profoundly embarrassed by them.

Honest.

Yes, I know that in your mind they shouldn't be odd- but face that fact.

If you warned her ahead of time, for instance, she might have been more comfortable. It's pretty embarrassing for anyone-- male or female-- to make a gesture, for instance, reaching to open a door-- and find you've been pre-empted. Your arm just hangs there in space. You reach for your chair and its been whisked away from you.

A few of those upsets and she's ready to go home-- alone. You havent matched each other's rhythms.

Now do us all a favor and cut out the diatribes and the either/ors and the absolute statements. You are painting a black and white picture and looking like a general fuckwaffle.

On this we agree and is a sorry sad fact as I hear it. However I never really worked in the private sector till recently so I have no direct knowledge.

haven't you ever read a magazine article? Women have been talking about this for four decades. Did you not hear them?

 

[Cleophila]

I never suggested anything you have implied I suggested. You also assume far to much about me.

My post was a general comment on the themes and discussions in this thread. The only thing I said that referred to you specifically was not implication or assumption, it was a direct quote from your original post.

As I said above, in the anonymity of an online forum, nobody really knows any personal detail about other people posting so there is no place for making big assumptions about people's personal lives (although I notice you have addressed some such assumptions directly to me).

The fact is women are equal to men but we are different and as such codes of conduct for men and women are different and will always be different as long as time exists. This does not demean you, in fact it protects you.

For example, we all agree that a man should never strike a woman. No matter if she is in your face or even hits you, you just do not hit a woman. I think it is safe to say that we all feel a man who strike a women is no man at all. Why is that? Because women generally are weaker physically than a man. This in no way makes her less. it is just physiology as well as the rule of men that are MEN.

Should we have true equality and I can stomp your ass the same as a man would do to another man under certain conditions?

It's just this idea of "chivalry" being about "protecting women" that is the problem with it reinforcing traditional gender roles. The idea that women need protecting from men, that that's their position in life, is one that a lot of women don't much care for.

Yes, generally men are physically larger or stronger than women, but this is such a broad generalisation that it cannot possibly be the basis for the way someone would behave towards a specific individual woman, who may not be small and physically weak at all.

Yes, a man should never hit a woman, but only in the sense that there isn't really any justification for a woman to be violent toward a man, or for a man to fight another man.

I believe every women should have the same rights and opportunities as men and equal pay. I believe women should be allowed in combat. I have saluted and followed a woman's order without regard to what is between her legs. Fact is in many areas women are far superior than a man. I think you should be able to go out and fuck as many people as you want without being labeled a whore just like men. I will fight against the double standard.

Fact is I have probably done more to promote feminism than many.

This is a very admirable attitude, but your expressed opinions here, that women should have equal rights and opportunities, is contradicted by your other opinion that women are different and should have different codes of conduct applied to them.

I want to impart a dating experience. I took a woman out to dinner. I opened all doors, stood when she went to the bathroom, stood when she returned, scooted her chair in, lent her my hand in and out of the car as well as down stairs due to her heels and the steepness of the stairs. Yes so I'm old fashioned, shoot me. Upon taking her home I asked her if I may call her for another date? She replied, "no thanks" in a somewhat hostile tone. I asked her if I did anything to offend her? She said I was a chauvinist. I asked how so? She stated all the gentlemanly things I did for her and told me it was chauvinist. So I asked her if she was a feminist? She actually poked me in the chest and said, "that's right buddy". So I replied, "If you are such a feminist how come you did not offer to pay half the price of the dinner or the show"? I then walked away. (cake and eat it too?)

The problem here seems to be that you treated her as your own code of conduct told you you should treat a woman, rather than getting to know her and finding out how she, as an individual person, wanted to be treated. As my previous post stated, you can't assume every person wants to be treated in the same way, the genuinely considerate, courteous thing is to get to know their own individual wants and needs.

I wholeheartedly support feminism but many women forget what is is to really be a woman. We should revel and rejoice in the differences between the sexes.

Look if you want a fucking little pussy who kisses your ass and allows you to emasculate him by all means go for it. You want to be a shrew go for it. I'm all for whatever you want as you are an adult. But do not feed me a line of horseshit that my being a gentleman and courtly is somehow demeaning. You wonder why men are rude, crass, and ignorant maybe you need to take a good hard look in the mirror. Feminism is meant to give women equality not
destroy manhood.

There is no single idea of "what it is to really be a woman" any more than you can say "black people forget what it is to really be black". Of course being a woman is a part of any woman's identity, but that does not make them the same in other ways. You say "we should revel and rejoice in the differences between the sexes", I say we should rejoice in difference far beyond that. We should rejoice in the wondrous difference between people, between one individual and the next, not between nebulous ideas of "man" and "woman". Equally, it is not "destroying manhood" to suggest that men don't have to fulfil a traditionally masculine protector role, but can instead do some things previously considered "feminine".

Everybody, man, woman or transgender, gay, straight or bisexual, wants to be treated as an individual, as a person, as themselves, not as a "gentleman", a "lady" or any other label you want to put on them.

In conclusion I say this to you ladies, if you want a man who is well dressed, who knows how to be a gentleman and treat you like the lady as you deserve to be treated, I am your guy. If you are looking for a man who is a gentleman in public and a total pervert in private who is willing to to fuck you all night long till the fire in your loins are quenched, I am your guy. Ladies if you are looking for gentleman who is willing to go to extremes to fulfill your heterosexual fantasies, I am your guy. Ladies if you are looking for a man who just wants to be a red blooded all American masculine man, I am your guy. Ladies you want to be walking bowlegged in the morning, I am your guy.

This tread was never intended as a sociology class.

This is my fantasy. This is my fetish. This is who and what I am. Now pipe the fuck down.

Perhaps this is the tone with which you should have begun the thread, with a willingness to say "this is who and what I am", that this is your personal fetish, not that women should start behaving the way you want them to. You could have started acknowledging that some women are undoubtedly "looking for gentleman who is willing to go to extremes to fulfill your heterosexual fantasies", but that it's a question of "if", that some women do want this and others do not. If you had started with that instead of big broad statements like "Chivalry and gallantry need to make a come back. Women need to start being ladies again and demand respect and courtesy" that invited this kind of debate then maybe people would not see the need to challenge and discuss. But then, why would you start this thread if not wanting discussion?

 

[LifeofRiley2010]

On opening doors for others

Winston Churchill holds open a door.
Woman says, 'Sir, there is no need to do that just because I am a lady.'
Churchill: 'Madam, I don't, I do it because I am a gentleman.'

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

My post was a general comment on the themes and discussions in this thread. The only thing I said that referred to you specifically was not implication or assumption, it was a direct quote from your original post.

As I said above, in the anonymity of an online forum, nobody really knows any personal detail about other people posting so there is no place for making big assumptions about people's personal lives (although I notice you have addressed some such assumptions directly to me).



It's just this idea of "chivalry" being about "protecting women" that is the problem with it reinforcing traditional gender roles. The idea that women need protecting from men, that that's their position in life, is one that a lot of women don't much care for.

Yes, generally men are physically larger or stronger than women, but this is such a broad generalisation that it cannot possibly be the basis for the way someone would behave towards a specific individual woman, who may not be small and physically weak at all.

Yes, a man should never hit a woman, but only in the sense that there isn't really any justification for a woman to be violent toward a man, or for a man to fight another man.



This is a very admirable attitude, but your expressed opinions here, that women should have equal rights and opportunities, is contradicted by your other opinion that women are different and should have different codes of conduct applied to them.



The problem here seems to be that you treated her as your own code of conduct told you you should treat a woman, rather than getting to know her and finding out how she, as an individual person, wanted to be treated. As my previous post stated, you can't assume every person wants to be treated in the same way, the genuinely considerate, courteous thing is to get to know their own individual wants and needs.



There is no single idea of "what it is to really be a woman" any more than you can say "black people forget what it is to really be black". Of course being a woman is a part of any woman's identity, but that does not make them the same in other ways. You say "we should revel and rejoice in the differences between the sexes", I say we should rejoice in difference far beyond that. We should rejoice in the wondrous difference between people, between one individual and the next, not between nebulous ideas of "man" and "woman". Equally, it is not "destroying manhood" to suggest that men don't have to fulfil a traditionally masculine protector role, but can instead do some things previously considered "feminine".

Everybody, man, woman or transgender, gay, straight or bisexual, wants to be treated as an individual, as a person, as themselves, not as a "gentleman", a "lady" or any other label you want to put on them.



Perhaps this is the tone with which you should have begun the thread, with a willingness to say "this is who and what I am", that this is your personal fetish, not that women should start behaving the way you want them to. You could have started acknowledging that some women are undoubtedly "looking for gentleman who is willing to go to extremes to fulfill your heterosexual fantasies", but that it's a question of "if", that some women do want this and others do not. If you had started with that instead of big broad statements like "Chivalry and gallantry need to make a come back. Women need to start being ladies again and demand respect and courtesy" that invited this kind of debate then maybe people would not see the need to challenge and discuss. But then, why would you start this thread if not wanting discussion?

In the future please stop using the women's bathroom and pop a squat beside me and take a big shit with the rest of us guys. I would really hate to vex you any further with the separation of the sexes.

 

[Cleophila]

In the future please stop using the women's bathroom and pop a squat beside me and take a big shit with the rest of us guys. I would really hate to vex you any further with the separation of the sexes.

Is this assuming that women don't shit like men do?

Also, I believe you may be a little late in inventing the unisex bathroom.

And, I reiterate my earlier remark about making broad assumptions - how would you know which bathroom I use now?

 

[sleepwithangels]

good manners?

better to have good character

 

[tonyp]

The worded code of chivalry from Tonyp 2011

To love the spiritual
To respect the property of others
To protect the weak and defenceless
To give support to orphans and families in need
To refrain from the wanton giving of offence
To live by honour and for glory
To despise pecuniary reward
To fight for the welfare of all
To support the just placed in authority
To honour fellow people, animals, plants and land
To challenge unfairness, meanness and deceit
To keep faith, love and be creative
At all times to speak the truth
To persevere to the end in any enterprise begun except those that turn out to be stupid
To respect the honour of people
Be prepared to fight for what you believe
Never to turn the back upon a foe
Endevour to put love between you and your enemy

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

Is this assuming that women don't shit like men do?

Also, I believe you may be a little late in inventing the unisex bathroom.

And, I reiterate my earlier remark about making broad assumptions - how would you know which bathroom I use now?

I'm just not going fight with you dorks anymore. As I said I was just stating my fetish and fantasies and really could give a flying fuck about your ideals of social norms. This was not about bi, tri, transgender, gay , lesbian, preops, post ops or anything else you can think of. It was simple about a heterosexual man (me) and how he likes to treat and date a lady. If it is not your cup of tea so be it.

I am the father of a 6 year old boy to a Lesbian couple that I fathered for them, the old fashioned way. They do not like men sexually but it was easier and cheaper just to fuck her to put it crudely. They also wished to bring a child in the world with love and not clinically. Both women are very feminine and left the military due to the "Don't ask , don't tell" policy. Both were promising young officers and my friends who I love dearly. They are both fantastic mommies and I am the visiting daddy. Both are definitely feminist. I take both to dinner and treat them as the great ladies that they are and they see absolutely no issues with my conduct.

If you are not a lady and don't want to be one and don't like men who act like gentleman that is your prerogative. But please spare me the horseshit social commentary that I am a chauvinist and my conduct lessens women when it simply is not true.

 

[TeasePleaseHer]

I *love* a well dressed man with manners! It's sexy! Very sad how few people pay attention to what their presence says about them. A respectable and well behaved man with a professional appearance can "coax" me into doing just about anything, and that is a wonderful thing!

 

[Cleophila]

I'm just not going fight with you dorks anymore. As I said I was just stating my fetish and fantasies and really could give a flying fuck about your ideals of social norms. This was not about bi, tri, transgender, gay , lesbian, preops, post ops or anything else you can think of. It was simple about a heterosexual man (me) and how he likes to treat and date a lady. If it is not your cup of tea so be it.

I am the father of a 6 year old boy to a Lesbian couple that I fathered for them, the old fashioned way. They do not like men sexually but it was easier and cheaper just to fuck her to put it crudely. They also wished to bring a child in the world with love and not clinically. Both women are very feminine and left the military due to the "Don't ask , don't tell" policy. Both were promising young officers and my friends who I love dearly. They are both fantastic mommies and I am the visiting daddy. Both are definitely feminist. I take both to dinner and treat them as the great ladies that they are and they see absolutely no issues with my conduct.

If you are not a lady and don't want to be one and don't like men who act like gentleman that is your prerogative. But please spare me the horseshit social commentary that I am a chauvinist and my conduct lessens women when it simply is not true.

I'm not really sure what I've done to make you, someone who prides themselves on their good manners and politeness, behave so aggressively and insultingly toward me. I had assumed that your interest in starting a thread about whether traditional ideas of chivalry made you old fashioned and a "dinosaur" was asking for some comment on that theme. All I suggested was that women do not all wish to be treated in the same way.

I haven't been making disparaging personal remarks about you as an individual. I never called you "a chauvinist". If you have been a surrogate father for a gay couple then I commend that, giving a child to a loving family is a wonderful thing. However, you asked for comments on the idea of chivalry and gentlemanly behaviour and I gave my opinion. I said that I am sure that some women do want to be treated just in that way, but equally some would find it uncomfortable and that the best thing of all would be to behave accordingly depending on the person. I do not see how saying this prompted this kind of response.

I can only apologise if you feel offended by people not agreeing with your personal outlook and suggest, in the politest possible way, that if you have no desire for discussion do not start threads on a discussion board.

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

I'm not really sure what I've done to make you, someone who prides themselves on their good manners and politeness, behave so aggressively and insultingly toward me. I had assumed that your interest in starting a thread about whether traditional ideas of chivalry made you old fashioned and a "dinosaur" was asking for some comment on that theme. All I suggested was that women do not all wish to be treated in the same way.

I haven't been making disparaging personal remarks about you as an individual. I never called you "a chauvinist". If you have been a surrogate father for a gay couple then I commend that, giving a child to a loving family is a wonderful thing. However, you asked for comments on the idea of chivalry and gentlemanly behaviour and I gave my opinion. I said that I am sure that some women do want to be treated just in that way, but equally some would find it uncomfortable and that the best thing of all would be to behave accordingly depending on the person. I do not see how saying this prompted this kind of response.

I can only apologise if you feel offended by people not agreeing with your personal outlook and suggest, in the politest possible way, that if you have no desire for discussion do not start threads on a discussion board.

Sorry my ire is directed towards several who decided to take cheap shots my way without any real attempt at conversation. Unfortunately you got caught up in the foolishness.

Please accept my sincere apology.

Unfortunately my training is to kick ass and take names later when attacked. It has been an extreme trial to adjust to civilian life.

 

[Cleophila]

Sorry my ire is directed towards several who decided to take cheap shots my way without any real attempt at conversation. Unfortunately you got caught up in the foolishness.

Please accept my sincere apology.

Unfortunately my training is to kick ass and take names later when attacked. It has been an extreme trial to adjust to civilian life.

Well, that's fair enough I guess. You can't argue much with a sincere apology.

Perhaps you'll adjust better to civilian life as you tone down the asskicking a touch!

Maybe this discussion has run its course a bit anyway. I don't want to just go repeating myself.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I'm just not going fight with you dorks anymore. As I said I was just stating my fetish and fantasies and really could give a flying fuck about your ideals of social norms. This was not about bi, tri, transgender, gay , lesbian, preops, post ops or anything else you can think of. It was simple about a heterosexual man (me) and how he likes to treat and date a lady. If it is not your cup of tea so be it.

I am the father of a 6 year old boy to a Lesbian couple that I fathered for them, the old fashioned way. They do not like men sexually but it was easier and cheaper just to fuck her to put it crudely. They also wished to bring a child in the world with love and not clinically. Both women are very feminine and left the military due to the "Don't ask , don't tell" policy. Both were promising young officers and my friends who I love dearly. They are both fantastic mommies and I am the visiting daddy. Both are definitely feminist. I take both to dinner and treat them as the great ladies that they are and they see absolutely no issues with my conduct.

If you are not a lady and don't want to be one and don't like men who act like gentleman that is your prerogative. But please spare me the horseshit social commentary that I am a chauvinist and my conduct lessens women when it simply is not true.

Please, PLEASE tell me you're not "Paula Brooks."

Sorry my ire is directed towards several who decided to take cheap shots my way without any real attempt at conversation. Unfortunately you got caught up in the foolishness.

Please accept my sincere apology.

Unfortunately my training is to kick ass and take names later when attacked. It has been an extreme trial to adjust to civilian life.

Be careful when hitting the quote button. It makes people think you're talking to them in particular.

 

[teknight]

Sorry my ire is directed towards several who decided to take cheap shots my way without any real attempt at conversation. Unfortunately you got caught up in the foolishness.

Please accept my sincere apology.

Unfortunately my training is to kick ass and take names later when attacked. It has been an extreme trial to adjust to civilian life.

Hmmm...
So, your training's got you on edge, huh?
I can buy that.
Sorry for all the cheap shots.

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

Please, PLEASE tell me you're not "Paula Brooks."



Be careful when hitting the quote button. It makes people think you're talking to them in particular.

LOL I don't even know who Paula Brooks is but by your remark I assume it is somebody unsavory.

Yeah I realized my error with the quote button after the fact.

 

[Stella_Omega]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...real-also-a-man/2011/06/13/AGld2ZTH_blog.html

The most delicious internet scandal of the month. there's a fabulous punchline to all of this, but i won't say it yet...

But dude, there are some parallels, and I hope you notice them and take them to heart.