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What is love?

Marquis said:
Indeed.

From now on, only the most corporeal of loves shall receive any of my attention. Bacterial love I shall call it.
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Did RR hack your account today?
 
Netzach said:
Yes yes and how is it hard to see? When you go breaking everything into agape, eros and filias you are hearkening back to a classical mode, and some of these forms of love are more corporeal than others.
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OK, yes, but I simply accept that there are physical, emotional, and for some spiritual aspects to people. The mind body problem seeks to explain the connection between physical (body) and mind (emotional) and a complete solution was never found. This is why it's called a problem to this day and I believe it was doomed from the start, a mind/body analyzing a mind/body is circular and self referential. While the names for the different types of love are Greek words and the Greek philosophers did offer some early writing about the subject, I believe that the Bible was a source and that Agape love was extended with the Bible teaching of love thy neighbor as thy self.

I tend to think of Agape love as applying more to helping others in need than to romantic relationships where people offer help or comfort without expecting anything in return. There are many examples of humanitarians who live this way but they're few on a percentage basis compared to the world population where the what's in it for me thinking prevails.

I believe that agape love is associated with God because Jesus lived and was the perfect example of it. The concept is profound, it is the solution for a utopian society where love and compassion is the norm rather than greed and hate. It's not surprising that this concept came from God, so simple, so perfect yet why is it so difficult to do? I don't push religion but I do enjoy studying it.
 
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This is from a book on love, anyone remember the title or author?


Gallant Man said:
Love is complex.
This discussion below has been circulating on the net for some time and it obviously has Bible references which I believe is the primary source. One does not have to agree with it all, but I believe it offers some deep insight and fundamental truths:

Epithymia is never translated "love" yet it is an important part of love. It means a strong desire of any kind or to long for or even covet. When translated in a negative way, it is the equivalent of lust. Within marriage, epithymia means the strong sexual desire a couple has that results in sexual intercourse.

Eros is sensual love. It means devoted to or arousing sexual desire. To feel eros is to be strongly affected by sexual desire. It can be controlled and positive, or uncontrolled and sinful. It is the desire to unite with and possess the loved one. The English word erotic is derived from the word eros. Whereas erotic love is important within marriage, outside of marriage erotic love engenders neither the commitment not the staying power needed to hold a relationship together. It is based solely on intense physical feelings. Feelings of eros can be selfish and self-serving.

Phileo is friendship love, a type of love that should have high priority in a marriage and long before. It means companionship, communication, cooperation, and pure enjoyment in being with someone called "friend." Thoughts, attitudes, experiences, feelings, and dreams are shared through phileo love. It cherishes and enjoys the presence of the other.

Agape love, the highest type of love expressed in the Bible, values and serves the loved one. It loves the unlovable. It keeps erotic love alive and possesses the power to rekindle what has died. It is an act of the will not based on feelings. Agape love is a deep reservoir that provides stability even during times of stress and conflict. It is perhaps by God's love for us as exemplified in John 3:16. Agape love originates from God, not from within us. Agape love costs. God models this love throughout Scripture. It is an art that may take a lifetime to learn.

Genuine love has a bit of all five types of love in it but is dominated by agape love. To experience this kind of love, you have to risk being rejected or feeling unloved. It means wanting the best for your loved one even if the best opposes your personal wishes. Love means encouraging and supporting each others dreams even if it costs you something. It means wanting your partner to achieve and become all he can be even if it becomes threatening to you. Love also means giving security when it is needed and as well as space when privacy is desired.

This kind of love is God’s creative gift to us and can be enjoyed to its fullest only within the safety and security of marriage. We are only able to love because He first loved us. It is through his love that we are freed from the hurt of past relationships and are willing to risk loving again. Through Him we no longer need to be dominated by rejection and failure.

Even genuine love changes over the years. The intense love you feel for someone now can grow stale or intensify. That's the way love is. It is fragile and needs constant nourishment to flourish. But also remember that in genuine love there's a good measure of agape love, which creates a God like ability to love even when we are not loved in return.
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Sir Victor said:
This is from a book on love, anyone remember the title or author?
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Someone posted something similar on my nursing boards last year, regarding Agape.
It derives from Plato.
I will text him and see if he can come up with some more.
 
What an old thread. It seems like folks used to discuss shit around these parts. Fun to read.
 
yukonnights said:
I was thinking the exact same thing awhile ago when I read this....but Tumblr is kinda fun too ;)
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I wouldn't know what to look for to dig up old threads. Plus - lots of words, lately, get my head spinning, so I stick to images. I look forward to clearing my head and enjoying the written word again.
 
First I have not read all the posts in this thread yet. Having pondered this a lot myself, my definition of Love is simple.

When 2 (maybe more) people genuinely want nothing but to make each other happy.
 
Sir Victor said:
This is from a book on love, anyone remember the title or author?
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I don't know that it's necessarily from a book, handsome. The poster says " discussion below " which leads me to believe it's simply repurposed and paraphrased Greco-Christian rhetoric of the poster's own design or possibly from an article.

Also, in need of some slight clarification, as there is a lot of opinion in there.

Eros, does not exclusively refer to the erotic/lust/sensual type of love it's commonly associated with. Instead, it means love that involves heavy emotion ( passionate or romantic ). Hence, the common association with " fleeting terms" . However, that is rather unfair. Passionate love can last as long as anything else, as long as it is maintained, and it also doesn't have to be sexual to be intense.

Philia ( later Phileo in Christianity ) is " brotherly love " or simply " affection ". This can be between friends, family, owners and pets, etc. A rather general term for easy amity.

Agapeo ( or Agape ) actually translates as " high esteem " or could be used in a similar manner as " to honor ", and is very old. Only in it's later Christian uses does it get associated with " God's love ". It directly means to love unconditionally or can also mean unrequited love.

There are also two more terms not mentioned there that I'm somewhat familiar with.

Storge, basically means instinctual love, commonly associated with familial affection. However, it's not exclusive to blood relations, and can be seen in any relationship in which two people spend an extensive amount of time together, or just naturally " gravitate " towards each other.

Lastly, Mania is not mentioned either. No doubt, because it is presently used to classify mental illness which leads it to have negative connotations. But, the word was hitherto used to describe a strong desire that fills a person or that they devote their time to. idée fixe. Largely seen in those that tend to fall in love hard or fast. Can be bad, even dangerous or self destructive, but not in every case. All depends on who's involved and how it's handled, I suppose.

That's all I've got without doing research into Ludus, Pragma, etc., copy/pasting crap I looked up, or letting my own personal views bleed through.
 
SalvDali said:
First I have not read all the posts in this thread yet. Having pondered this a lot myself, my definition of Love is simple.

When 2 (maybe more) people genuinely want nothing but to make each other happy.
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I like this definition, but would add

"No matter the cost to their own happiness."
 
_Necrosomantic_ said:
I don't know that it's necessarily from a book, handsome. The poster says " discussion below " which leads me to believe it's simply repurposed and paraphrased Greco-Christian rhetoric of the poster's own design or possibly from an article.

Also, in need of some slight clarification, as there is a lot of opinion in there.

Eros, does not exclusively refer to the erotic/lust/sensual type of love it's commonly associated with. Instead, it means love that involves heavy emotion ( passionate or romantic ). Hence, the common association with " fleeting terms" . However, that is rather unfair. Passionate love can last as long as anything else, as long as it is maintained, and it also doesn't have to be sexual to be intense.

Philia ( later Phileo in Christianity ) is " brotherly love " or simply " affection ". This can be between friends, family, owners and pets, etc. A rather general term for easy amity.

Agapeo ( or Agape ) actually translates as " high esteem " or could be used in a similar manner as " to honor ", and is very old. Only in it's later Christian uses does it get associated with " God's love ". It directly means to love unconditionally or can also mean unrequited love.

There are also two more terms not mentioned there that I'm somewhat familiar with.

Storge, basically means instinctual love, commonly associated with familial affection. However, it's not exclusive to blood relations, and can be seen in any relationship in which two people spend an extensive amount of time together, or just naturally " gravitate " towards each other.

Lastly, Mania is not mentioned either. No doubt, because it is presently used to classify mental illness which leads it to have negative connotations. But, the word was hitherto used to describe a strong desire that fills a person or that they devote their time to. idée fixe. Largely seen in those that tend to fall in love hard or fast. Can be bad, even dangerous or self destructive, but not in every case. All depends on who's involved and how it's handled, I suppose.

That's all I've got without doing research into Ludus, Pragma, etc., copy/pasting crap I looked up, or letting my own personal views bleed through.
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I used google to find what book it was from many years ago.
 
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Love is a combination of intense feelings of desire, admiration, care, and fascination that supercedes rational thought and emotions, which usually promotes selflessness, vulnerability, and devotion.
 
tryn2Bgood said:
Love is a combination of intense feelings of desire, admiration, care, and fascination that supercedes rational thought and emotions, which usually promotes selflessness, vulnerability, and devotion.
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I love ice cream.
 
tryn2Bgood said:
Love is a combination of intense feelings of desire, admiration, care, and fascination that supercedes rational thought and emotions, which usually promotes selflessness, vulnerability, and devotion.
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This is really intense, sissy would just say "when you care about someone else more than yourself".
 
Sir Victor said:
I was able to find the book based on that post many years ago but I think I loaned it out and it was never returned. That seems familiar but I thought that the cover was mostly dark green - perhaps a newer revision?
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You're the person librarians loves ... 'I'm looking for a book I had once ... it was green'. :)
 
It's easy to feel love when all is shiny and new. When the orgasms flow. When you feel connected and happy and together.

I'm finding big love, that unconditional love, in both the mundane stuff and in the tough stuff. It's not particularly exciting or sexy but doing it together feels important.
 
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