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It's also worth watching the EPIC RAP BATTLES OF HISTORY with J.R.R. Tolkein and George R. R. Martin. Search for "ERB Tolkein Martin" on youtube. One of the big differences between the writers, present in the video, is the way they attempt to show "reality".

Martin kills characters constantly because it's true to life.
Tolkein writes fantasy, and protects his heroes.

Both styles have value, but the way they choose to present their reality is purposeful and intentional.

Martin writes rape and sexual humiliation and abuse of women because he wants it to be reality. They left that out of ERB.

That slob shouldn't be in the same conversation as Tolkien.
 
Martin writes rape and sexual humiliation and abuse of women because he wants it to be reality. They left that out of ERB.

That slob shouldn't be in the same conversation as Tolkien.

I agree, and I think it's a shame that Robert Jordan isn't as well known because he gets my nod in the great fantasy writers debate.
 
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