What WOULD increase the real incomes of the American middle class and working class?

[ChloeTzang]

It never does seem to be a good idea to go in that direction -- no good ever came of the deregulation of the Reagan years.

The balance is between too little and too much.

You regulate, and then a mole pops its head up, and there's another regulation to deal with that, and then another, and another....and before you know it, there's a thousand and its so complex you need a full time lawyer to keep track of them....

On the other hand, many of them spring from good intentions and need....take milk for example. There's a lot of health regulations around milk production, handling, quality, etc etc etc, and they all spring from very good reasons. If you go back to before milk was regulated, there were all sorts of scams pulled - chalk and water added to milk, all sorts of other things to bulk it up, I remember reading an article on it and it was downright scary - and you could bet if it wasn't regulated and monitored, people would start doing it again. And that's one among thousands of examples. Lead paint on childrens toys....asbestos....chemical dumping - Love Canal or whatever it was.... you name it, there's an example.

And then there's business regulation and over-regulation. The problem is always a balance between what's really needed and what's overkill. God alone knows how you resolve that one. I have no idea.

I'm snorting my coffee here because we have more in common than we think at first glance. LOL

 

[Politruk]

The balance is between too little and too much.

You regulate, and then a mole pops its head up, and there's another regulation to deal with that, and then another, and another....and before you know it, there's a thousand and its so complex you need a full time lawyer to keep track of them....

So, there is no actual down side, then.

-- Politruk, Esq.

 

[UltraChad]

That does not amount to any lack of private commerce.

That's literally what government controlled commerce does. LOL

All capitalist economies in the world are similarly regulated -- and no reasons why they should not be are apparent.

"Simply" doesn't mean millions of pages of bullshit that has nothing to do with public safety enforced by dozens of alphabet agencies.

ZERO reason for all the market gatekeeping....zero...that's totally anti-capitalist.

 

[Politruk]

"Simply" doesn't mean millions of pages of bullshit that has nothing to do with public safety enforced by dozens of alphabet agencies.

You're talking about the status quo of every country in the world that is not either state Communist, or a failed state like Somalia.

It really is not possible that you are right where all of their governments are wrong.

 

[BAstoicguy]

I must admit that a State Porn Collective is an interesting concept . . .

It's not like anybody wanted to beat it out of you ... you worked it out on your own!

 

[BAstoicguy]

The balance is between too little and too much.

You regulate, and then a mole pops its head up, and there's another regulation to deal with that, and then another, and another....and before you know it, there's a thousand and its so complex you need a full time lawyer to keep track of them....

On the other hand, many of them spring from good intentions and need....take milk for example. There's a lot of health regulations around milk production, handling, quality, etc etc etc, and they all spring from very good reasons. If you go back to before milk was regulated, there were all sorts of scams pulled - chalk and water added to milk, all sorts of other things to bulk it up, I remember reading an article on it and it was downright scary - and you could bet if it wasn't regulated and monitored, people would start doing it again. And that's one among thousands of examples. Lead paint on childrens toys....asbestos....chemical dumping - Love Canal or whatever it was.... you name it, there's an example.

And then there's business regulation and over-regulation. The problem is always a balance between what's really needed and what's overkill. God alone knows how you resolve that one. I have no idea.

I'm snorting my coffee here because we have more in common than we think at first glance. LOL

We always regulate backwards, which is correct, but the manner is incorrect.
This is the function of the courts for a political redress always contains within the seeds of correction.

There is little to be-won lost then with a political regulation, but a suit is a real cost to the losing party in neutral court.

You cannot ever regulate forward to the next "hurt."

You never operate under the fear of a regulation to be written, but that of losing before a judge.

 

[UltraChad]

You're talking about the status quo of every country in the world

No I'm not. The only place this shit exist is in western "democracies" and communist shit holes.

It really is not possible that you are right where all of their governments are wrong.

Results are what they are....and all of their governments are slowly falling apart as they rot from the inside out from all that "PROGRESS!!!" LOL

 

[Politruk]

No I'm not. The only place this shit exist is in western "democracies" and communist shit holes.

No, it's pretty much that way in the Third World too.

 

[Politruk]

No I'm not. The only place this shit exist is in western "democracies" and communist shit holes.

No, it's pretty much that way in the Third world too. Your idea of a market economy exists nowhere.

Results are what they are....and all of their governments are slowly falling apart as they rot from the inside out from all that "PROGRESS!!!" LOL

But, they're not. No government in Europe west of Belarus is going to fall in your lifetime.

 

[UltraChad]

No, it's pretty much that way in the Third world too.

Tell me you've never been to the 3rd world without saying you've never been to the 3rd world.

Your idea of a market economy exists nowhere.

It exist everywhere outside of government force.

Even in N. Korea.

But, they're not. No government in Europe west of Belarus is going to fall in your lifetime.

They already have/are.....France has lost control....Germany is falling apart....the UK is circling the totalitarian toilet and 1/2 of the USA wants to do the same.

 

[Politruk]

They already have/are.....France has lost control....Germany is falling apart....the UK is circling the totalitarian toilet and 1/2 of the USA wants to do the same.

Just ordinary party politics. Nothing in any case represents an existential crisis of the constitutional order.

 

[UltraChad]

Just ordinary party politics.

Just another leftoid lie....chug more cope buddy.

Nothing in any case represents an existential crisis of the constitutional order.

Nah your people starving, forced into poverty and being second class citizens in their own nation and revolting in the streets is totally ordinary.

How many gallons of globo-commie cope a day do you drink??

 

[Politruk]

\Nah your people starving, forced into poverty and being second class citizens in their own nation and revolting in the streets is totally ordinary.

Nothing like that is happening in France, Germany or the UK. What on Earth are you talking about?!

 

[UltraChad]

Nothing like that is happening in France, Germany or the UK. What on Earth are you talking about?!

I've never met anyone who thinks of themselves as so informed and educated while also being so totally ignorant.

 

[Politruk]

I've never met anyone who thinks of themselves as so informed and educated while also being so totally ignorant.

You're the one who is posting from some other planet.

 

[UltraChad]

You're the one who is posting from some other planet.

Not at all. Just outside the leftist copium bubble.

 

[Politruk]

Not at all. Just outside the leftist copium bubble.

Nothing you're suggesting is going to raise working-class or middle-class incomes. Neoliberal economic policies never did that and never will.

 

[UltraChad]

Nothing you're suggesting is going to raise working-class or middle-class incomes

Why not?

. Neoliberal economic policies never did that and never will.

Did, even under Trump.

And it will because it's not entirely wrong.

 

[Politruk]

Did, even under Trump.

That did not happen in his first term -- why expect better in his second?