Who the hell

[butters]

Toyota is a dick. What more relevance is needed?


Ha ha. I've got you beat by only a couple of points.

if you mean Tsotha, your opinion is as valid as mine, and mine says he's smart, clever, sensitive, funny, generous with his time here and frequently nurturing. we clearly have had different interractions with him. and that's fine. what's not fine, in my humble opinion, are miscarriages of justice and people jumping in to load the weight of their views onto a situation that is more about specifics than whether or not you consider Tsotha a dick. but this a free site is geared to free speech - which is why any control (other than self-originated) is always going to be a touchy subject.

150's not high - just reasonably smart. smart enough not to be dead yet. with 5 siblings with higher IQ scores i was considered barely bright by them. it's all relative...

 

[pelegrino]

I suppose this must be genius at work! I've heard about it.

 

[butters]

I suppose this must be genius at work! I've heard about it.

not here, and not there either. i'm happy to stick with a few smarts and the rest is all 'the mystery' to me

 

[theognis]

150's not high - just reasonably smart. smart enough not to be dead yet. with 5 siblings with higher IQ scores i was considered barely bright by them. it's all relative...

Come now, I'm sure you know 150 is exceptionally high. Higher than 99.8 to 99.9% of the population of the entire planet. False modesty is not a virtue. But you are correct that it's all relative.

 

[UnderYourSpell]

I don't want you to leave either Tsotha, we've had fights, misunderstandings, and worse than you can imagine in here before. People were driven away by it and I don't want you to be added to the list of 'poets we used to know'. We can't agree with everything and everybody nor do I want to, life would be a very boring place if everyone agreed. I've tried other forums and seen all the backslapping where everything written is greeted with a 'how wonderful you are' and it gets tedious after a while. Arty people are notorious for being highly strung and more than a tad crazy (yes that includes me too!) but I've got to the age where I spark then fizzle out rapidly, no staying power any more it just makes me ill.

 

[Magnetron]

Third parties and cousins twiced removed coming in to pile on and vent.

This is why another poetry forum is necessary where Angeline and the others can look in from time to time and say, Fuck this - you're on your own.

 

[butters]

Come now, I'm sure you know 150 is exceptionally high. Higher than 99.8 to 99.9% of the population of the entire planet. False modesty is not a virtue. But you are correct that it's all relative.

i don't encourage or respect false modesty, theo - my siblings were all at the 165+ mark, so that made me a bit 'dim' to some of them. and if it's say 2 out of every hundred people, well look how many millions live in the UK alone. it's hardly exceptional. a high IQ doesn't make a person, it's how one deploys it. most, including myself, don't operate at the level their intellect might empower them to for the majority of their time, and plenty of super clever people are dicks lacking people skills. not across the board, but there are examples all over the place.

 

[theognis]

i don't encourage or respect false modesty, theo - my siblings were all at the 165+ mark, so that made me a bit 'dim' to some of them. and if it's say 2 out of every hundred people, well look how many millions live in the UK alone. it's hardly exceptional. a high IQ doesn't make a person, it's how one deploys it. most, including myself, don't operate at the level their intellect might empower them to for the majority of their time, and plenty of super clever people are dicks lacking people skills. not across the board, but there are examples all over the place.

I agree wholeheartedly with everything you've just said, butters, except for continuing to differ with you about whether your IQ is exceptional, or not.

 

[Senna Jawa]

[...] continuing to differ with you about whether your IQ is exceptional, or not.

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[butters]

i don't encourage or respect false modesty, theo - my siblings were all at the 165+ mark, so that made me a bit 'dim' to some of them. and if it's say 2 out of every hundred people, well look how many millions live in the UK alone. it's hardly exceptional. a high IQ doesn't make a person, it's how one deploys it. most, including myself, don't operate at the level their intellect might empower them to for the majority of their time, and plenty of super clever people are dicks lacking people skills. not across the board, but there are examples all over the place.

I agree wholeheartedly with everything you've just said, butters, except for continuing to differ with you about whether your IQ is exceptional, or not.

*** ***

 

[HarryHill]

I'm "toxic" for reacting (three weeks ago) to insults by Senna Jawa, and for (now) feeling insulted by how this issue is being portrayed by Angeline? Very well. I am sorry that you were bothered by this discussion, and I'm not so much an asshat that I won't apologize for it (I do; I apologize for bothering you).

Interestingly, this is the first time you address me, and it's to tell me to leave. If you read the message you quoted, you must know that yes, you're getting your wish. So I don't really understand your message. Thank you for the input, nonetheless.

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Champers never said leave, she agreed with your grievance in an offhand way (imo) and suggested that if you still felt the need to cry foul...

 

[HarryHill]

I've ran across you in the forums, and had the misfortune of engaging you twice. I will gladly tell you to leave. Now whine about me not engaging you and telling you to leave.

Less eloquently, piss off

 

[butters]

If you don't care for moderation (there are 3 moderators of the PF&D and any one of them could have deleted or moved any post) then head over to the general board and have all of the freedom to post your complaints over there. Of course no one will care on the GB, so I'm left wondering why I even bothered here. Perhaps I care, though. So that may be the difference.

champer's statement above.

thing is, has Tsotha ever said he didn't care for moderation? i feel that's an unfair slant to put on the conversation - don't we all want moderation that's fair, useful, and as unobtrusive as possible?

 

[theognis]

Butters, I neglected to point out it's more like two out of a thousand, rather than two out of a hundred, who have an IQ above 150. Don't shortchange yourself. And, in case it isn't clear to everyone, I'm not being sarcastic about any of this.

 

[butters]

Butters, I neglected to point out it's more like two out of a thousand, rather than two out of a hundred, who have an IQ above 150. Don't shortchange yourself. And, in case it isn't clear to everyone, I'm not being sarcastic about any of this.

math was always my downfall.

simply, though, an IQ score doesn't have a whole lot of bearing on how we lead our lives. and the more i know, the more i know i don't know much.

 

[theognis]

math was always my downfall.

Well, you're female.

 

[butters]

Well, you're female.

so kind of you to understand....

*refuses to bite on that bait, lol*

 

[theognis]

...the more i know, the more i know i don't know much.

Another sign of true intelligence, butters.

 

[drinkz]

......

 

[HarryHill]

Iggy coup d'etat

 

[Tsotha]

Hi, drinkz. Nice to see you again.

I've ran across you in the forums, and had the misfortune of engaging you twice. I will gladly tell you to leave. Now whine about me not engaging you and telling you to leave.

As far as I know, this is the second time we meet. The first was in the "How to..." forum.

Context, for those who want to follow up the story.

A brief resume:

Someone called "localsub1" (a man) has a fiancé. What he craves sexually is to be humiliated, tied up, and so on, and so forth. However, his fiancé has outright told him that she wouldn't be with him if he wasn't a "macho man".

My opinion was that telling her the truth served no purpose. Not because I believe lying makes for great relationships, but because he said he wanted to keep her. If he says the truth, his fiancé will freak out (in my opinion).

drinkz thinks differently. He/she quoted a message from another user, amofiga, and made one sentence bold: ("If you don't tell her now and get it all straight BEFORE you get married, then I predict you will be divorced somewhere down the road."), saying: "The part in bold needs to be said again."

I then quoted both drinkz's message and amofiga's message, changed the bold part as suited my opinion, and wrote "There, I fixed it." This made drinkz angry. It's understandable. My quoting of his message was disrespectful. I apologize for that, drinkz.

I haven't been very nice, of late, due to reasons. However, my opinion in that thread is not "trolling" — I really do believe it is "correct", and that it will help localsub1. You are free to disagree (and you did).

I know you've been concerned with "bad advice" being given in the "How To..." forum. I agree that there is a lot of "bad" advice being given there, but it's a result of it being open to everyone. Anyone can voice an opinion there. It's both its greatest weakness and its greatest strength.

Maybe my advice is indeed bad; I hope not. But maybe it is. You've said it is, in that thread, repeatedly. I just don't know what else you expect from me, at this point. I am not going there to remove my opinion, though — it will stay, right beside yours.

It was actually while (s)he was trolling the personals section. There's one who spams every ad, and I can't help but notice on my way to the playground. I said something and Tsotha immediately came back with a hateful response, almost as if that was an alt that needed protecting.

So... Writing didn't have shit to do with it, genius.

I have exactly one alt, drinkz, with two posts. The first post was to make sure I wasn't posting as Tsotha, and the second was to respond someone's question of a sexual nature in the "How To..." forum.

Why did I create an alt? Because I did not want to have this matter connected to myself. Despite this place (Literotica) being theoretically anonymous, and reasonably tolerant of different ideas and sexuality, I'm a bit shy/embarrassed. I did not want this "How To" thread connected to me. Perhaps others here on the Poetry Forum will see it as childish, I don't know. It is what it is. In real life, I live in a country that has a very strong catholic / evangelic tradition, with people who are not very accepting of... well, anything, really.

Point in case: my cousin is homosexual. My family took him to the church to be exorcised. Seriously. I'm the only one who accepts him.

I have browsed the story-side of Literotica since around 2006, and I did so as if I was committing some kind of crime. I finally decided to e-mail an author in 2013, who I became friends with. Her reassurance was very important to me, and it enabled me to come here to the forum. I just naturally ended here, in the poetry board, where with the exception of a couple of recent incidents, things have been friendly, peaceful and good. I learned things, I had fun, and I met interesting people.

You don't seem to notice, but you have para-dropped into a forum that is frequented regularly by a very small amount of people who have come to know each other. This is not the General Board, with one gazillion people and more messages every day than can be read.

The people around here know me sufficiently to realize that, if I did feel the need to respond to you, I'd sit down and write a very long message, like this one. Even if I did not write this message, they would know the behavior you are describing ("spamming ads", "trolling the personal board", et cetera) does not describe me.

Toyota is a dick. What more relevance is needed?

Ha ha. I've got you beat by only a couple of points.

You really seem to have me confused with someone who frequents other boards here on LIT, and who gets all riled up after being called a "dick". I do get angry, but it's over ineffable stuff. Sorry to disappoint you.

 

[Tsotha]

if you mean Tsotha, your opinion is as valid as mine, and mine says he's smart, clever, sensitive, funny, generous with his time here and frequently nurturing.

Err... Well, that's a bit embarrassing. Thank you.

I don't want you to leave either Tsotha, we've had fights, misunderstandings, and worse than you can imagine in here before. People were driven away by it and I don't want you to be added to the list of 'poets we used to know'. We can't agree with everything and everybody nor do I want to, life would be a very boring place if everyone agreed. I've tried other forums and seen all the backslapping where everything written is greeted with a 'how wonderful you are' and it gets tedious after a while. Arty people are notorious for being highly strung and more than a tad crazy (yes that includes me too!) but I've got to the age where I spark then fizzle out rapidly, no staying power any more it just makes me ill.

Thank you, UYS. I'm sorry things have been difficult for you, with people harassing you on FB, and I over here making this place rowdy. As I said elsewhere, I apologize. I am trying to ignore Senna Jawa, and I do not want to make this place toxic. However, I will call out anyone — even a moderator — who misrepresents my conflict with Senna Jawa. I'll leave the forum before accepting a "white peace" where I'm supposed to overlook accusations of malicious behavior that may or may not be aimed at me (but likely, are).

I agree wholeheartedly with everything you've just said, butters, except for continuing to differ with you about whether your IQ is exceptional, or not.

Hm, yea... that IQ is actually pretty high...

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Champers never said leave, she agreed with your grievance in an offhand way (imo) and suggested that if you still felt the need to cry foul...

I might have misread. I wouldn't be surprised — I've been quite touchy lately.

I have received PMs from two people I deeply respect here that have made me sad. One was about how I goaded Senna Jawa repeatedly, over and over again. It is what prompted me to hunt down those messages to show that I haven't even spoken to him since that meltdown in the reduction thread. The other PM was by someone who felt discouraged to come to the forum here, because of all the fighting. It shows that Angeline's concerns are valid.

I wonder how many others have PMed her directly to complain about my behavior. And you know what, they are absolutely right, I have created tension and made people's time here unpleasant. I should have put Senna Jawa on ignore (or mental ignore) right after my first misunderstanding with him. I did know, even back then, that Senna Jawa is under some kind of protection, for some reason — I even joked about it —, and that no moderator would berate him for his behavior. I knew this because I've read dozens of ancient threads, looking for poetry advice, threads where he insults people freely. These rules, meant to make this a place where "everyone is equally comfortable", don't apply to him, it seems.

However, I cannot put Angeline on ignore, so I cannot ignore her opinion that "people" (me?) are maliciously persecuting Senna Jawa.

champer's statement above.

thing is, has Tsotha ever said he didn't care for moderation? i feel that's an unfair slant to put on the conversation - don't we all want moderation that's fair, useful, and as unobtrusive as possible?

I, for one, wish the rules were applied to Senna Jawa.

I was very, very angry with what Angeline said. I felt it was an injustice, and I have a very thin skin for it. However, it does not mean I do not think the rules are important, or that I do not want moderation, or even that I don't like Angeline (I do, actually).

I also thought the way she removed my thread was "discourteous", because it took some effort to put it together. She could have given me a chance to copy its contents. If I didn't have a backup, it would have cost me hours to write it again. Of course, she owes me no courtesy, especially since the message she deleted relates to the very issue at hand. So whatever.

 

[drinkz]

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[Magnetron]

Context

Thought you were stomping off in a huff? That was a long dissertation you wrote, but it doesn't change the fact that you're a dick.

What I see is you tampering with a post that Drinkz tampered with instead of tampering with the original post.

Then Drinkz overeacted with sarcasm in response to you correcting his tampering.

Then it escalated with more overeactions and sarcasms.

Both of you would do best take responsibility for your parts and KAMU.

 

[Tsotha]

Thought you were stomping off in a huff? That was a long dissertation you wrote, but it doesn't change the fact that you're a dick.

No, I said to Angeline: "I'm leaving as soon as this discussion is over".