Why The Holocaust Must Be Questioned

[krastner]

Doesn't anybody who believes int he Holocaust see a bit of a problem with this reality? The fact that if you as a historian even take a serious look at this claim that you are instantly discredited? I believe in the Holocaust but this thinking sounds like the people who thought the world was flat and the earth was the center of the universe.

Thanks for the article Lovelynice...It's almost impossible to keep up with all the intrigue that surrounds this one subject. I will say that perhaps it wasn't Jewish inspired that burnt the books but was just the dogmatic principles of those that have swallowed the Jewish version of the holocaust that do not like to have their beliefs challenged.

There are two kinds of censorship on the holocaust subject. That of the zionist Jews that wish to preserve the lie and those I spoke of. I would think that zionist Israel is behind the persecutions of people like David Irving and Ernst Zundel. But it might be like the people in New Zealand just saying " no don't confuse me with facts..I want to keep my head buried in the sand.

Sean Renaud...Just suppose that back in the days when it was an accepted fact that the earth was flat. This flat principle was defended much like the holocaust is today. Suppose that nations, subscribing to this flat idea had stationed ships at what they considered a safe distance from where they thought that the world ended and that if you sailed past this point then you and your ship would fall off the world. No one would be allowed to disprove the idea...er excuse me the accepted fact...For one thing the Americas would still be free and should the American Indian ever develop sea going vessels, then if they showed up they would probably be massacred as being people from hell.

If the holocaust was just as said then investigation would only further prove the Jews version.

 

[unculbact]

One of the few Irving supporters who is academically credible ( and I could only find one),Dr Joel Hayward, has since recanted on his support, recanted the premise of his MA thesis supporting the holohoax stance, and attacked Irving for his misleading and misrepresentative use of statements and quotes attributed to said Dr J Hayward , as well as Irvings fraudulent use of unviable material. Hayward has also apologised profoundly to the Jewish community for the impact of his earlier misguided, and misrepresentative innacuracies.

I've read parts of Dr. Hayward's thesis, and he was never an "Irving supporter". He admires his work, and found it both then and now to be accurate and unique, and praised his research skills, but he was never a cheerleader for him, and certainly never supported Irving's political or social views.

You found Dr. Hayward, but you didn't read his web page? Here's the operative paragraph, towards the middle of the page, which is actually part of his response to a completely unwarranted and defamatory attack against Hayward by Richard J. Evans, the same little shill who testified against Irving at his trial.

"I would also like to clarify one other issue:

In a letter to a Wehrmacht military history discussion group (which now appears on Mr Irving's web site) I once offered support for the quality of Mr Irving's MILITARY history scholarship, even though I simultaneously stated that I did not agree with his political and racial views.

My research in German primary MILITARY documents (conducted in several European archives) does indeed show me that Mr Irving did not falsify those sources or employ them according to an improper methodology. I have not seen any examples from the diaries of Jodl, Milch, Richthofen, etc, where he falsified evidence.

But I have now seen enough evidence from the trial transcripts to believe that Mr Irving has a problem with Jews and consequently employed improper methodology when dealing with certain documents relating to aspects of the Holocaust. I did not know this until the intense scrutiny of his books during the recent trial made it manifest.

I was also offended by some of his statements and actions, and consider the trial to be extremely informative. I learned many new things about Mr Irving.

I still consider much of Mr Irving's work on Wehrmacht operational history to be strong and useful (as even the judge observed), and he deserves credit for books like Trail of the Fox. But I accept the judge's verdict that Mr Irving's obvious difficulty with Jewish issues distorted the way he sees and presents the Holocaust."


http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache...avid+Irving&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=7&ie=UTF-8

Nothing about fraud or unviable material, and Hayward has never attacked anybody at all. And that last statement is surprising, since, once again, Irving has never written a book on the HolocaustTM.

As you can see, Dr. Hayward - who is, surprisingly, a big supporter of Israel, though after what happened to him, I now wonder - for the most part has praise for Irving's work. His only problem is Irving's attitude towards Jews, which, unfortunately, he doesn't detail, and I've never been able to find anything that Irving has directly said about Jews.

In an earlier post, I said Shaman had made a big mistake bringing Hayward up, but I'm going to take that back. He's not responsible for Nizkor's lies, and it opens the opportunity to let Hayward tell his story. I think even Shaman will be impressed with the vicious, sustained attack on Dr. Hayward by Richard Evans and the New Zealand Jewish Council.

As I mentioned, Hayward has a website. On the home page, Hayward states that:

This website has not been updated or otherwise altered for several years and will not be updated in future.

It now survives on the internet only as a historical record of a long-faded controversy.

— Dr Joel Hayward, 2006

That's because they broke him. The Zionist attack on Hayward was merciless, and he couldn't hold up. It drove him to a nervous breakdown.

But, for everybody's education, here are a couple of links throughout his site.

Aspects of this controversy have not, of course, been only about my 1991 thesis. They have been about destroying me personally and professionally.

http://www.joelhayward.com/thoughtcrimes.htm

And as I mentioned before, Hayward was attacked by Richard J. Evans, the same academic who testified against Irving at his trial.

http://www.joelhayward.com/profevansversusdrhayward.htm

I looked up Evans entire bibliography. Evans spends as much time attacking other historians as he does writing his own books. Not just Revisionist historians either, but historians covering witchcraft in medieval Europe, and the like.

Evans has made destroying other historians one of his major career objectives, and his tactics are always the same. Humilate them, degrade them, and dismiss them. How did this asshole become a college professor?

Throughout Hayward's whole website there is an excellent education to be had regarding the degree to which the New Zealand Jewish Council was willing to go, not just to destroy Dr. Hayward but to subvert, twist and corrupt the entire process of academic investigation and thought in New Zealand.

It also leads me to some understanding of the animus that Woody and other kiwis here have towards Jews. If the New Zealand Jewish Council is trying to twist New Zealand academia to their own ends, and force them to bow to their will, there's more than enough reason for animus.

Overall, for Shaman and anybody else willing to go through the pages of Dr. Hayward's web page, you can get a clear idea of the ruthless, unprincipled and shameless savagery that both Richard Evans and the New Zealand Jewish Council displayed.

If Shaman, or anybody else gets through the whole thing, I think they'll agree that the myth of the Holocaust is maintained by one thing, and one thing only.

Terror. A terror campaign that even a maestro like Feliks Dzherzhinsky would stand in awe of, could he observe it.

If you don't believe a whole University can be intimidated and terrorized, check this out.

http://www.joelhayward.com/theweekendheraldarticle.htm

"This week, the thesis was back in the news after copies of a University of Canterbury journal containing an article describing the "witch hunt" of Dr Hayward were destroyed.

The university said it was potentially defamatory and inaccurate.

The author, Dr Thomas Fudge, resigned in disgust and the History Now editor, Associate Professor Ian Campbell, was effectively dumped."

"He [Dr. Hayward] started receiving emails "full of hatred", to which he replied that he had never intended to hurt anyone, and no longer agreed with its contents. He wrote an addendum admitting his errors. He also wrote a letter to the Jewish Chronicle apologising for the distress he had caused.

But the malicious calls and emails kept coming, and he has had death threats. "

Think of it. How many historians get death threats?

Dr. Hayward's site is full of choice nuggets of information, and will undoubtedly provide many a quote here.

 

[Don K Dyck]

Where is Eurpope ?

Europe before the Protestant reformation . . .

 

[ImpWizard]

Europe before the Protestant reformation . . .

Good one.

 

[ImpWizard]

Any historian that refers to his books about the holocaust or Hitler/Nazi matters etc, would have no serious credibility with anyone beyond people like you lot..

Doesn't anybody who believes in the Holocaust see a bit of a problem with this reality? The fact that if you as a historian even take a seriuos look at this claim that you are instantly discredited? I believe in the Holocaust but this thinking sounds like the people who thought the world was flat and the earth was the center of the universe.

Yeah, according to Shamankiss, the logic is this;

If you gullibly believe all the Holocaust Propaganda myths, even the most stupid, insane, and ridiculous impossibilities, then you're right.

But if an historian or academic questions these dumb lies and garbage stories, he's ALWAYS WRONG.

- he's also a neo-nazi, jew-hater, anti-semite, etc..etc...etc...

Seriously flawed logic.

But the malicious calls and emails kept coming, and he has had death threats. "
Think of it. How many historians get death threats?
.

If they bring up the holocaust and question even the tiniest part of it, LOTS!

You have to BELIEVE or else.

 

[SnoopDog]

Yeah, and we all would believe someone who is so highly educated and intelligent that he thinks it's written Adolph instead of Adolf.

So much for intelligence.


Snoopy,

 

[ImpWizard]

Yeah, and we all would believe someone who is so highly educated and intelligent that he thinks it's written Adolph instead of Adolf.

So much for intelligence.


Snoopy,

Film bloopers; 1989, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade: Hitler misspells his own name, writing "Adolph" instead of "Adolf."

The mispelled name "Adolph" instead of Adolf is also a common error still made today within the military paraphernalia collecting and history buff community.

I wish I had a dollar for everytime I've seen Adolph instead of Adolf.

I have repeatedly found Adolph and Adolf on thousands sites and postings, almost like they are interchangeable (Adolph is Swedish). I know some words and names have multiple spellings when translated, and I have to admit that I don't know enough German to know if there even would be a difference or not. Does it really matter?

I've found that because Microsoft word complains about the 'f' spelling, it's easier to use the 'ph' spelling. I personally never worried about the spelling

It's a very minor point anyway. This is a forum on the internet, not a school.

 

[unculbact]

Hey, looks like they might open the Arolsen archive after all.

Though that part about being "safeguarded" by the countries that copy it is a little ominous. Methinks only selected people will get to the records, and selected examples ever published.

If published at all. Access to an archive doesn't mean you can publish examples.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060418/ap_on_re_eu/nazi_archives

Germany to Help Open Holocaust Records

By BARRY SCHWEID, AP

Germany agreed Tuesday to help clear the way for the opening of Nazi records on some 17 million Jews and enslaved laborers who were persecuted and slain by the Nazis and their collaborators during the Holocaust more than 60 years ago.

At a news conference at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, German Justice Minister Brigitte Zypries said her country would work with the United States to assure the opening of the archives held in the German town of Bad Arolsen and allow historians and survivors access to some 30 million to 50 million documents.

Until now, Germany resisted providing access to the archives, citing privacy concerns. "We always put it forward that way in meetings," Zypries said.

But in a meeting Tuesday with Sara Bloomfield, director of the museum, Zypries said Germany had changed its position and would immediately seek revision of an 11-nation accord governing the archives.

She said that should take no more than six months.

Speaking in German, the minister said, "We now agree to open the data in Bad Arolsen in Germany. We now assume the data will be safeguarded by those countries that copy the material and use it, and now that we have made this decision we want to move forward." Her remarks were translated into English for reporters.

Bloomfield, in an interview, called the decision "a great step, a really important step." She said , "I will be completely thrilled when I get the material in the archives."

For 60 years, the International Red Cross has used the archived documents to trace missing and dead Jews and forced laborers, who were systematically persecuted by Nazi Germany and its anti-Semitic confederates across central and eastern Europe before and during World War II.

But the archives have remained off-limits to historians and the public.

 

[ImpWizard]

Hey, looks like they might open the Arolsen archive after all.

Though that part about being "safeguarded" by the countries that copy it is a little ominous. Methinks only selected people will get to the records, and selected examples ever published.

If published at all. Access to an archive doesn't mean you can publish examples.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060418/ap_on_re_eu/nazi_archives

Germany to Help Open Holocaust Records

By BARRY SCHWEID, AP

Germany agreed Tuesday to help clear the way for the opening of Nazi records on some 17 million Jews and enslaved laborers who were persecuted and slain by the Nazis and their collaborators during the Holocaust more than 60 years ago.

At a news conference at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, German Justice Minister Brigitte Zypries said her country would work with the United States to assure the opening of the archives held in the German town of Bad Arolsen and allow historians and survivors access to some 30 million to 50 million documents.

Until now, Germany resisted providing access to the archives, citing privacy concerns. "We always put it forward that way in meetings," Zypries said.

But in a meeting Tuesday with Sara Bloomfield, director of the museum, Zypries said Germany had changed its position and would immediately seek revision of an 11-nation accord governing the archives.

She said that should take no more than six months.

Speaking in German, the minister said, "We now agree to open the data in Bad Arolsen in Germany. We now assume the data will be safeguarded by those countries that copy the material and use it, and now that we have made this decision we want to move forward." Her remarks were translated into English for reporters.

Bloomfield, in an interview, called the decision "a great step, a really important step." She said , "I will be completely thrilled when I get the material in the archives."

For 60 years, the International Red Cross has used the archived documents to trace missing and dead Jews and forced laborers, who were systematically persecuted by Nazi Germany and its anti-Semitic confederates across central and eastern Europe before and during World War II.

But the archives have remained off-limits to historians and the public.

It's crazy that they were kept off limits to historians as well.

Doubtful the German government would let anything out that would be "illegal" under their (let's make revising history illegal) "Holocaust Denial" law

 

[SnoopDog]

Film bloopers; 1989, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade: Hitler misspells his own name, writing "Adolph" instead of "Adolf."

The mispelled name "Adolph" instead of Adolf is also a common error still made today within the military paraphernalia collecting and history buff community.

I wish I had a dollar for everytime I've seen Adolph instead of Adolf.

I have repeatedly found Adolph and Adolf on thousands sites and postings, almost like they are interchangeable (Adolph is Swedish). I know some words and names have multiple spellings when translated, and I have to admit that I don't know enough German to know if there even would be a difference or not. Does it really matter?

I've found that because Microsoft word complains about the 'f' spelling, it's easier to use the 'ph' spelling. I personally never worried about the spelling

It's a very minor point anyway. This is a forum on the internet, not a school.

Basically you're right but it'S just the way he's written. You can't just change names just because it suits your word-programme better. And since Hitler was one of the most important figures in the history of mankind, you oughta know his correct name.

Either way, he was a sick bastard.

FYI, over here in Germany both names are possible, Adolf and Adolph. However, HE was written with just an 'f' and of course nowadays, the name is not common anymore.

Snoopy

 

[ImpWizard]

Basically you're right but it'S just the way he's written. You can't just change names just because it suits your word-programme better.

So what? Blame Microsoft.

Also, again, this is a forum not a school. Bugger off and take your spelling-nazi crap elsewhere.

 

[krastner]

The spelling of Hitler's name really is a moot point. In Germany I have seen the name spelled both ways. the "Adolph" is the most common...you know like the difference between Bill and William. So why make a fuss about the spelling of a name.. Unless ,of course, it's purpose is to detract and derail a thread about the holocaust.

The subject matter is the holocaust and the Jewish conspiracy to constantly hoist it on the world and their gestapo like atempts to punish anyone that tries to have an intelligent dialog about it. My idea of an intelligent dialog is to mention that where the Germans were supposed to have burried in mass graves, millions of Jews, is a place where you can't dig a foot down with out hitting water.

That and the fact that the Red Cross, a suspected Jewish led organization, has placed the number of post war Jews as greater than the pre war figure.

Now in America I can still say that. So far. In Europe you can't. Can you say that in England? I am not sure. England is part of the EU and a part of Europe. I still hear a lot of dissent from England though...

 

[SnoopDog]

So what? Blame Microsoft.

Also, again, this is a forum not a school. Bugger off and take your spelling-nazi crap elsewhere.

Whatever.


Snoopy

 

[krastner]

Whatever.


Snoopy

Imp gets a little testy at times but he has a lot of good research to rebut the holocaust claims. Just where are you in Germany. I lived in near Rosenheim for several years.

 

[Lovelynice]

So what? Blame Microsoft.

Also, again, this is a forum not a school. Bugger off and take your spelling-nazi crap elsewhere.

LOL
Since I'm an English teacher, for a moment there I thought you were telling me off.

 

[phrodeau]

(edited)
That and the fact that the Red Cross, a suspected Jewish led organization, has placed the number of post war Jews as greater than the pre war figure.

What utter tripe you post. Go look up Magen David Adom or Red Crescent.

 

[The Mystery Valiant]

Not Today Fool!

Wasted effort from wasted minds. I think I've found the black hole on Earth.

 

[Lovelynice]

Wasted effort from wasted minds. I think I've found the black hole on Earth.

Do you believe in this kind of stuff too?

Because if you do, then surely you are living proof of a wasted mind.

 

[unculbact]

Mr. Leuchter (ref' Zundel) is supposed to be an expert in executions by toxic gas who has actually built gas chambers used for executions in the USA...
In fact only two penal establishments in the USA had ever heard of him. At one they had a vague recollection of him being a SALESMAN who tried to sell them a new heart monitor that was fitted to the chair in which the condemned would sit. The second could not even be sure in what context he had contacted them, but they were positive he had NO role WHATSOEVER in the design, construction or maintenance of their gassing room.Leuchter himself later admitted he had lied. He also admitted that not only had he never had any training as an engineer, had never worked as an engineeer, he had NO qualifications as an engineer , and no experience with any kind of gassing facility..
( maybe he turned a fire on in his front room once.).

Leuchter was recommended to the Zundel trial as a technical expert by Bill Armantrout, the Warden of the Missouri State Penitentiary. He DID design a gas chamber for them, and it was ordered, but never built after they switched to lethal injection as the favored form of execution. Which means that "no experience with any kind of gassing facility..." line is a bunch of crap.

All that stuff your printing is from commentary on his cross-examination at the Zundel trial, and it's a fabrication of what he actually said. I recommend next time, print the actual exchanges, the transcript is on line.

Leuchter has worked as an engineer. From 1965 to 1970, Leuchter worked as Technical Director for a company specializing in aerial photographic equipment (Celenav Industries, Inc. of Malden, Massachutsetts). There he designed the first low-level, color stereomapping system for use in helicopters. Leuchter's system has since become standard equipment for helicopter aerial mapping. He formed an independent consulting firm in 1970, working on a variety of projects, including the design of astrotrackers utilized in the on-board guidance systems of intercontinental ballistic missiles.

I've never seen any admission by Leuchter that he has no qualifications. If Fred Leuchter has NO qualifications as an engineer, explain his patents in the fields of optics, navigation, encoding, geodetic surveying and surveying instrumentation including patents on electronic sextants and optical instrument encoders.

Of course, I have to prove that, don't I? Wannee see those patents?

Copy this into your browser to see the U.S. Patent Office's abstract of Fred Leuchter's patent for an electronic sextant (Issued July 13, 1976)

http://patft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph...LL&S1=3968570.PN.&OS=PN/3968570&RS=PN/3968570

Or enter this into your browser, and see Leuchter's patent for a geodetic surveying instrument, developed in connection with his helicopter mapping system, granted on July 13, 1982.

http://patft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=11&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=%22Leuchter,+Jr%22&OS="Leuchter,+Jr"&RS="Leuchter,+Jr"

And regarding the self-taught and the self-trained - did you know that Robert H. Jackson, the Chief United States Prosecutor at Nuremberg, never received a law degree? Turns out you don't need one to pass the bar. All you have to do is pass the test.

No law degree, yet he prosecuted the top Nazi's, AND became a justice on the United States Supreme Court.

So - if you don't have a degree, what is it you can't do again?

AND - what do Leuchter's ad homina have to do with the veracity of his report on the functionality of the alleged gas chambers at Auschwitz and Majdanek?

 

[Lovelynice]

More bizarre tales of the Holocaust Propagandist...

Of course this cartoon is an old one. In recent years, the "human soap" has been DNA tested and found to have no human DNA whatsoever, the "human skin" boots were made of moleskin, the "human skin" books covers were made from deer and goat skin...

Basically....it was all LIES!

 

[Lovelynice]

Somebody mentioned before about Anne Frank's Diary being partly a forgery....

It was.

Ballpoint pens weren't exactly common back in WW2

 

[phrodeau]

Somebody mentioned before about Anne Frank's Diary being partly a forgery....

It was.

Ballpoint pens weren't exactly common back in WW2

And your statement is proved by a cartoon?

Here's a report on that topic:

Denying the Holocaust
By Deborah Lipstadt

Diary of Anne Frank

Deniers have repeatedly attacked the authenticity of the famous Diary of Anne Frank, which tells of the young Jewish author's experiences as she and her family hid from Nazi persecution in Holland. It seems they believe that by creating doubts about this popular book, which is often a young person's first encounter with the literature of the Holocaust, they can generate broader doubts about the Holocaust itself. Their attacks on the diary became so widespread, that eventually the Netherlands State Institute for War Documentation, the archives to which Anne's father left the work, subjected the glue, paper and ink of the diary to extensive forensic tests. They found them all to be from the 1940s.

The investigators compared Anne's handwriting in the diary to other samples of her writing, including letters she wrote before going into hiding, and traditional student autograph books she signed before the war. The tests found the handwriting to be that of the same person. In fact, every test to which the diary was subjected proved that this was a genuine World War Two era work by a teenager.

Deniers also argue that there are multiple versions of the Diary of Anne Frank. This, they claim, proves it is a fraud. Actually, there are multiple versions of the diary, and Anne herself explains why this is so. In 1944, a Dutch government official, broadcasting from London, urged the population to save eyewitness accounts of their wartime experience, including memorabilia and diaries. Hearing this, Anne, decided to rewrite some of the entries. She also used her diary as a basis for a novel, The Annexe. Hence the different versions.

Deniers also make the claim that the diary is in green ballpoint pen, something that was not readily available during the war. And there are, in fact, some minor stylistic marginal notes in green ink. However, as the Dutch investigation demonstrated, the only ballpoint writing is on two scraps of paper included among the loose leaves, and these have no significance whatsoever in terms of content. Moreover, the handwriting on the scraps of paper differs markedly from those in the diary, indicating that they were written by someone else, an editor perhaps.

The final result of the Dutch investigation was a critical 712-page edition of the diary containing the original version, Anne's edited copy, and the published version as well as the experts' findings. While some may argue that the Netherlands State Institute for War Documentation used an elephant to swat a fly, once again it becomes clear that the deniers glibly make claims that have no relationship to the most basic rules of truth and evidence.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/genocide/deniers_07.shtml

 

[krastner]

This message is hidden because phrodeau is on your ignore list. (go on and report this thread you little tattle tale
Lovelynice:
Little things that you just don't think of..like NO BALLPOINT PENS IN WW2. I remember when they first came out (AFTER THE WAR) Never thought about part of the Frank diaries being written with them. You have to realize that the Dutch are very resourceful peopl. They can make money off of anything.

They make a lot more money on the (Frank house?) than they can by putting up a Te Koop sign. It's all about a way to take more money from foolish American tourist who tear up just looking at the outside of the house which is no different from everyother house in Adam. I think they secretely laugh at them behind....no make that right in front of the fools.

 

[Lovelynice]

And your statement is proved by a cartoon?

Here's a report on that topic:http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/genocide/deniers_07.shtml

No. My statement is proved by a court case in the USA in 1956-1958, the investigations of the West German BKA, by the writer who actually wrote much of the diary (Meyer Levin), and by Otto Frank (Anne Frank's father) who agreed to pay that writer I just mentioned.

Read the following, and learn something new. The Diary of Anne Frank isn't just fake, it's already been legally proven as a HOAX back in 1958!

You know that they refused to produce that alleged diary for independent authentication at the trial of Ernie Zundel In Canada? Funny that, neh?

The West German Bundeskriminalamt, having been permitted by Otto Frank a brief examination, under significant handicaps, of the supposed original manuscript, in 1980 in the town hall of a Swiss village, reported back to the relevant West German court inter alia that certain supposedly original notations were made with a ball point pen that was not on the market until 1951. On 20 May 1980 the State Criminal Office of West Germany gave the Hamburg District Court of Justice a report containing its official expert opinion on the 'diary'. Technical analysis of the manuscript showed portions of it were altered or added after 1951 (not just two sheets of paper left inside the "diaries" as Deborah Lipstadt claims, they're referring to the alleged "diary" itself).

The 1951 date does not rule out the first publication in Dutch in 1947, as the texts of the various translations do not agree with each other or with the original anyway.

Faurisson asked a lot of very good questions about the inconsistencies in the published diary entries;
The Franks are presented as installing makeshift curtains shortly after arrival, so that the neighbors do not "see something going on." Faurisson asks, "Now, is not the installation of curtains, in windows which did not have any until then, the best way of signalling one's arrival? Is this not particularly the case if these curtains are made up of different pieces?" More basically, "If one has an entire year to choose a hiding place., does one choose his office? Does one take his family there? And a colleague? And this colleague's family? Does one choose thus a place full of 'enemies' where the police and the Germans would come automatically to look for you if they find you no longer at home?"

Did you know that Otto Frank was sued by another writer, SUCCESSFULLY, for non-payment for his part in the writing of the so-called "diary"? Between 1956 and 1958, Meyer Levin, a well known author and journalist successfully sued Otto Frank, Anne's father, for $50,000 as indemnity for "fraud, default and unauthorized employment of ideas". It appeared that it wasn't so much a case of "The Diary of Anne Frank", as the case of "The Diary of Meyer Levin". The New York Supreme Court case established that the book was a HOAX.

Meyer Levin, was awarded $50,000 to be paid him by the father of Anne Frank as an honorarium for Levin’s work on The Anne Frank Diary. “Mr. Frank, in Switzerland, has promised to pay to his race kin, Meyer Levin, not less than $50,0OO because he had used the dialogue of Author Levin just as it was and ‘implanted’ it in the diary as being his daughter’s intellectual work.” In the end, an out of court settlement was made.

In a 1959 article, the Swedish journal Fria Ord published the news that the novelist Meyer Levin had written the dialogue of the “diary” and was demanding payment for his work in a court action against Otto Frank. A condensation of the Swedish articles appeared in the American Economic Council Letter, April 15th, 1959, as follows: “History has many examples of myths that live a longer and richer life than truth, and may become more effective than truth. The Western World has for some years been made aware of a Jewish girl through the medium of what purports to be her personally written story, Anne Frank’s Diary. Any informed literary inspection of this book would have shown it to have been impossible as the work of a teenager.”

Get it now? The so called "diary" was mostly fictional. It was written more by Otto Frank and Meyer Levin than by poor Anne Frank. Daddy Otto was out to make a buck from his daughter and rewrote some of the diary and added lots more besides.

Stop believing those lying sites like Nizkor and the stupid media.

 

[phrodeau]

No. My statement is proved by a court case in the USA in 1956-1958, the investigations of the West German BKA, by the writer who actually wrote much of the diary (Meyer Levin), and by Otto Frank (Anne Frank's father) who agreed to pay that writer I just mentioned.

Read the following, and learn something new. The Diary of Anne Frank isn't just fake, it's already been legally proven as a HOAX back in 1958!

You know that they refused to produce that alleged diary for independent authentication at the trial of Ernie Zundel In Canada? Funny that, neh?

The West German Bundeskriminalamt, having been permitted by Otto Frank a brief examination, under significant handicaps, of the supposed original manuscript, in 1980 in the town hall of a Swiss village, reported back to the relevant West German court inter alia that certain supposedly original notations were made with a ball point pen that was not on the market until 1951. On 20 May 1980 the State Criminal Office of West Germany gave the Hamburg District Court of Justice a report containing its official expert opinion on the 'diary'. Technical analysis of the manuscript showed portions of it were altered or added after 1951 (not just two sheets of paper left inside the "diaries" as Deborah Lipstadt claims, they're referring to the alleged "diary" itself).

The 1951 date does not rule out the first publication in Dutch in 1947, as the texts of the various translations do not agree with each other or with the original anyway.

Faurisson asked a lot of very good questions about the inconsistencies in the published diary entries;
The Franks are presented as installing makeshift curtains shortly after arrival, so that the neighbors do not "see something going on." Faurisson asks, "Now, is not the installation of curtains, in windows which did not have any until then, the best way of signalling one's arrival? Is this not particularly the case if these curtains are made up of different pieces?" More basically, "If one has an entire year to choose a hiding place., does one choose his office? Does one take his family there? And a colleague? And this colleague's family? Does one choose thus a place full of 'enemies' where the police and the Germans would come automatically to look for you if they find you no longer at home?"

Did you know that Otto Frank was sued by another writer, SUCCESSFULLY, for non-payment for his part in the writing of the so-called "diary"? Between 1956 and 1958, Meyer Levin, a well known author and journalist successfully sued Otto Frank, Anne's father, for $50,000 as indemnity for "fraud, default and unauthorized employment of ideas". It appeared that it wasn't so much a case of "The Diary of Anne Frank", as the case of "The Diary of Meyer Levin". The New York Supreme Court case established that the book was a HOAX.

Meyer Levin, was awarded $50,000 to be paid him by the father of Anne Frank as an honorarium for Levin’s work on The Anne Frank Diary. “Mr. Frank, in Switzerland, has promised to pay to his race kin, Meyer Levin, not less than $50,0OO because he had used the dialogue of Author Levin just as it was and ‘implanted’ it in the diary as being his daughter’s intellectual work.” In the end, an out of court settlement was made.

In a 1959 article, the Swedish journal Fria Ord established that the novelist Meyer Levin had written the dialogue of the “diary” and was demanding payment for his work in a court action against Otto Frank. A condensation of the Swedish articles appeared in the American Economic Council Letter, April 15th, 1959, as follows: “History has many examples of myths that live a longer and richer life than truth, and may become more effective than truth. The Western World has for some years been made aware of a Jewish girl through the medium of what purports to be her personally written story, Anne Frank’s Diary. Any informed literary inspection of this book would have shown it to have been impossible as the work of a teenager.”

Get it now? The so called "diary" was mostly fictional. It was written more by Otto Frank and Meyer Levin than by poor Anne Frank. Daddy Otto was out to make a buck from his daughter and rewrote some of the diary and added lots more besides.

Stop believing those lying sites like Nizkor and the stupid media.

Oh, the stupid medium of the BBC. How much more reliable the fine journalism of Fria Ord.

This is from judicial-inc.biz, a site that attempts to debunk Anne's composition of the diary. Here is their timeline; note what tops the list.

Eight versions of the diary

1944
The diary of Anne Frank.

1945
Copy by Otto Frank

1945
Copy by Otto Frank and Isa Cauvern

1946
New version of the copy by Otto Frank and Isa Cauvern;

1946
New-new version of the copy by Albert Cauvern

1947
New-new-new version by Otto Frank;

1947 New-new-new-new version by Otto Frank and the "Censors";

1947
Contact edition was a failure

1948 Meyer Levin rewrites the entire diary and it sells 60,000,000 copies

1950
Lambert Schneider book edition (off Levin's diaries) radically different from the preceding one

1955
Fischer edition () taking up again the preceding one in a "discreetly" (?) reworked and retouched form.

1986 The Diary of Anne Frank: The Critical Edition (1989),

1991 The 'Definitive' Edition ...Inserts sexual pages for spice

You would think that if someone wants you to believe a thing is false, they wouldn't posit it as part of their argument.