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Those are 3 different things, dumbass.progressive marxist democrats
Proof? Link? Cite? Insurrection cuz it didn't go our way?Dems notoriously challenge elections.
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Those are 3 different things, dumbass.progressive marxist democrats
Proof? Link? Cite? Insurrection cuz it didn't go our way?Dems notoriously challenge elections.
That's a lot of verbiage. Thanks for the refresher course. It follows similar info when I served in the military regarding protocols for handling classified info.You are simply ignorant of the fact that Trump had every right to possess classified documents for all of the legal reasons I have posted on this subject in the past, like the Federal Court decision in the Bill Clinton case which I will post here again for your edification:
"In the Court’s view, plaintiff reads too much into this statement. Under the statutory
scheme established by the PRA, the decision to segregate personal materials from Presidential
records is made by the President, during the President’s term and in his sole discretion, see 44
U.S.C. § 2203(b)"
"Thus, the PRA requires the President to “maintain records documenting the
policies, activities, and decisions of his administration,” but “leav[es] the implementation of such
a requirement in the President’s hands.” Id., citing 44 U.S.C. § 2203(a). The court underscored
that Congress “presumably relied on the fact that subsequent Presidents would honor their
statutory obligations to keep a complete record of their administrations.”
"The Court notes at the outset that there is broad language in Armstrong I stating that the
PRA accords the President “virtually complete control” over his records during his time in
office. 924 F.2d at 290. In particular, the court stated that the President enjoys unconstrained
authority to make decisions regarding the disposal of documents: “[a]lthough the President must
notify the Archivist before disposing of records . . . neither the Archivist nor Congress has the
authority to veto the President’s disposal decision.” Id., citing H.R. Rep. No. 95-1487, at 13
(1978), reprinted in 1978 U.S.C.C.A.N. at 5744. Since the President is completely entrusted
with the management and even the disposal of Presidential records during his time in office, it
would be difficult for this Court to conclude that Congress intended that he would have less
authority to do what he pleases with what he considers to be his personal records."
Also there is this applicable language from Barack Obama's Executive Order 13526 (Barack Obama)
Classified National Security Information:
The President Executive Order 13526 (Barack Obama)
Classified National Security Information
"Sec. 1.3. Classification Authority.
(a) The authority to classify information
originally may be exercised only by:
(1) the President and the Vice President;
(2) agency heads and officials designated by the President; and
(3) United States Government officials delegated this authority pursuant to paragraph The President Executive Order 13526
Classified National Security Information
Sec. 3.5. Mandatory Declassification Review.
(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, all information classified under this order or predecessor orders shall be subject to a review for declassification by the originating agency if:
(b)Information originated by the incumbent President or the incumbent Vice President; the incumbent President’s White House Staff or the incumbent Vice President’s Staff; committees, commissions, or boards appointed by the incumbent President; or other entities within the Executive Office of the President that solely advise and assist the incumbent President is exempted from the provisions of paragraph (a) of this section."
In the end, Donald Trump will be allowed to keep his records classified or not classified. Just like Barack Obama and every other President has been allowed to do.
Well, Idaho is pretty good regarding crime. Overall it's a peaceful place. Though your zero numbers are incorrect, I looked them up. You have murders and rapes - just not that many.We don't shoot each other and violent crime around here is almost non-existent, zero murders and rapes. Every once in a while somebody will get punched in the face or knocked on their ass for bad manners but that's about it.
That's a lot of verbiage. Thanks for the refresher course. It follows similar info when I served in the military regarding protocols for handling classified info.
You know Donald Truman never read or understood any of that, right? His reading tastes go about as far as a McDonald's menu. [He probably doesn't need to read that menu since, with his intelligence, he probably has them memorized.]
I don't see anything about 'declassifying documents just by mentally thinking about it,' though.
Your defense, so strangely, missed the entire point of his document 'storage' issue. You are stuck on procedure and airhead projections. Take off your blinders and see this for what it is. Truman doesn't care about national security.
Anyone with access to Mira Lago could have accessed those documents. Even 'mentally declassified' those still hold intelligence value that would prove invaluable to foreign entities. No one in their right mind would declassify nuclear material-related documents. How stupid is he to have them stacked around like 'junk boxes' for a garage sale? That's the issue, and the clown so cavalierly claiming otherwise needs to get his ... 'comeuppance' kicked in the court case to inform him that he is not omnipotent.
Nuclear secrets are classified by the authority of Congress. The President doesn’t have the ability to declassify them at his discretion.It really is sad that you believe Trump is guilty so much that you refute your own knowledge and experiences.
The "sole discretion" to classify or declassify documents belongs to the President. That means he can indeed do whatever the hell he wants with classified materials just by "thinking about it."
Or don't you understand how classification/declassification works and where the authority comes from?
As for your claim that the documents still retained intelligence value; this is a nonstarter because Trump determined that they do not when he declassified them. All you're doing is second guessing his decisions because you hate him and everything he stands for.
Which is a sign of mental illness.
You showcase your ignorance. All classification authority is delegated by the President to his subordinate levels of the executive branch. All classification authority in the government is delegated from the President. He doesn't have to seek out any subordinate to get permission to declassify information or to possess classified information. National Security Information is classified for the "benefit" of the Commander in Chief in his role as such. He doesn't have to seek anyone's permission to declassify or to possess that information. The Constitution contemplates no higher authority in the Executive Branch than the President himself. I know that makes you sad but those are the facts.That's a lot of verbiage. Thanks for the refresher course. It follows similar info when I served in the military regarding protocols for handling classified info.
You know Donald Truman never read or understood any of that, right? His reading tastes go about as far as a McDonald's menu. [He probably doesn't need to read that menu since, with his intelligence, he probably has them memorized.]
I don't see anything about 'declassifying documents just by mentally thinking about it,' though.
That's bullshit, read this and shut up:Nuclear secrets are classified by the authority of Congress. The President doesn’t have the ability to declassify them at his discretion.
Your recalcitrance on this matter remains astounding. The fact that Trump had the power to declassify doesn't mean it was declassified or that it was the right thing to do. It was not documented that he followed declassification procedures. He possessed the documents in the open, potentially placing American National security at risk.It really is sad that you believe Trump is guilty so much that you refute your own knowledge and experiences.
The "sole discretion" to classify or declassify documents belongs to the President. That means he can indeed do whatever the hell he wants with classified materials just by "thinking about it."
Or don't you understand how classification/declassification works and where the authority comes from?
As for your claim that the documents still retained intelligence value; this is a nonstarter because Trump determined that they do not when he declassified them. All you're doing is second guessing his decisions because you hate him and everything he stands for.
Which is a sign of mental illness.
That's the kind of mental illness swirling around in his head and perhaps you justify that action as well.That means he can indeed do whatever the hell he wants, including sending out Seal Team Six members to kill his rivals.
Those are the rules for regular secrets. Nuclear secrets are handled differently, to prevent a criminal or incompetent President from declassifying them unilaterally.That's bullshit, read this and shut up:
Sec. 1.2 Classification Authority.
(a) Top Secret. The authority to classify information originally as
Top Secret may be exercised only by:
(1) the President; (2) agency heads and officials designated by the
President in the Federal Register; and (3) officials delegated this
authority pursuant to Section 1.2(d). (b) Secret. The authority to
classify information originally as Secret may be exercised only by: (1)
agency heads and officials designated by the President in the Federal
Register; (2) officials with original Top Secret classification
authority; and (3) officials delegated such authority pursuant to
Section 1.2(d). (c) Confidential. The authority to classify
information originally as Confidential may be exercised only by: (1)
agency heads and officials designated by the President in the Federal
Register; (2) officials with original Top Secret or Secret
classification authority; and (3) officials delegated such authority
pursuant to Section 1.2(d). (d) Delegation of Original Classification
Authority. (1) Delegations of original classification authority shall
be limited to the minimum required to administer this Order. Agency
heads are responsible for ensuring that designated subordinate officials
have a demonstrable and continuing need to exercise this authority. (2)
Original Top Secret classification authority may be delegated only by
the President; an agency head or official designated pursuant to Section
1.2(a)(2); and the senior official designated under Section 5.3(a)(1),
[FN1] provided that official has been delegated original Top Secret
classification authority by the agency head. (3) Original Secret
classification authority may be delegated only by the President; an
agency head or official designated pursuant to Sections 1.2(a)(2) and
1.2(b)(1); an official with original Top Secret classification
authority; and the senior official designated under Section 5.3(a)(1),
[FN1] provided that official has been delegated original Secret
classification authority by the agency head. (4) Original Confidential
classification authority may be delegated only by the President; an
agency head or official designated pursuant to Sections 1.2(a)(2),
1.2(b)(1) and 1.2(c)(1); an official with original Top Secret
classification authority; and the senior official designated under
Section 5.3(a)(1), [FN1] provided that official has been delegated
original classification authority by the agency head. (5) Each
delegation of original classification authority shall be in writing and
the authority shall not be redelegated except as provided in this Order.
It shall identify the official delegated the authority by name or
position title. Delegated classification authority includes the
authority to classify information at the level granted and lower levels
of classification. (e) Exceptional Cases. When an employee,
contractor, licensee, or grantee of an agency that does not have
original classification authority originates information believed by
that person to require classification, the information shall be
protected in a manner consistent with this Order and its implementing
directives. The information shall be transmitted promptly as provided
under this Order or its implementing directives to the agency that has
appropriate subject matter interest and classification authority with
respect to this information. That agency shall decide within thirty
(30) days whether to classify this information. If it is not clear
which agency has classification responsibility for this information, it
shall be sent to the Director of the Information Security Oversight
Office. The Director shall determine the agency having primary subject
matter interest and forward the information, with appropriate
recommendations, to that agency for a classification determination.
https://archive.epic.org/open_gov/eo_12356.html
Read and shut up? Please read on from another source.That's bullshit, read this and shut up:
Sec. 1.2 Classification Authority.
(a) Top Secret. The authority to classify information originally as
Top Secret may be exercised only by:
(1) the President; (2) agency heads and officials designated by the
President in the Federal Register; and (3) officials delegated this
authority pursuant to Section 1.2(d). (b) Secret. The authority to
classify information originally as Secret may be exercised only by: (1)
agency heads and officials designated by the President in the Federal
Register; (2) officials with original Top Secret classification
authority; and (3) officials delegated such authority pursuant to
Section 1.2(d). (c) Confidential. The authority to classify
information originally as Confidential may be exercised only by: (1)
agency heads and officials designated by the President in the Federal
Register; (2) officials with original Top Secret or Secret
classification authority; and (3) officials delegated such authority
pursuant to Section 1.2(d). (d) Delegation of Original Classification
Authority. (1) Delegations of original classification authority shall
be limited to the minimum required to administer this Order. Agency
heads are responsible for ensuring that designated subordinate officials
have a demonstrable and continuing need to exercise this authority. (2)
Original Top Secret classification authority may be delegated only by
the President; an agency head or official designated pursuant to Section
1.2(a)(2); and the senior official designated under Section 5.3(a)(1),
[FN1] provided that official has been delegated original Top Secret
classification authority by the agency head. (3) Original Secret
classification authority may be delegated only by the President; an
agency head or official designated pursuant to Sections 1.2(a)(2) and
1.2(b)(1); an official with original Top Secret classification
authority; and the senior official designated under Section 5.3(a)(1),
[FN1] provided that official has been delegated original Secret
classification authority by the agency head. (4) Original Confidential
classification authority may be delegated only by the President; an
agency head or official designated pursuant to Sections 1.2(a)(2),
1.2(b)(1) and 1.2(c)(1); an official with original Top Secret
classification authority; and the senior official designated under
Section 5.3(a)(1), [FN1] provided that official has been delegated
original classification authority by the agency head. (5) Each
delegation of original classification authority shall be in writing and
the authority shall not be redelegated except as provided in this Order.
It shall identify the official delegated the authority by name or
position title. Delegated classification authority includes the
authority to classify information at the level granted and lower levels
of classification. (e) Exceptional Cases. When an employee,
contractor, licensee, or grantee of an agency that does not have
original classification authority originates information believed by
that person to require classification, the information shall be
protected in a manner consistent with this Order and its implementing
directives. The information shall be transmitted promptly as provided
under this Order or its implementing directives to the agency that has
appropriate subject matter interest and classification authority with
respect to this information. That agency shall decide within thirty
(30) days whether to classify this information. If it is not clear
which agency has classification responsibility for this information, it
shall be sent to the Director of the Information Security Oversight
Office. The Director shall determine the agency having primary subject
matter interest and forward the information, with appropriate
recommendations, to that agency for a classification determination.
https://archive.epic.org/open_gov/eo_12356.html
Thank you! The “Formerly restricted” designation is misleading. These are documents so secret not even the President has access to the originals. The DoE temporarily provides a tightly-controlled copy to the White House so the President can do his job, then whisks it away again to the vault. That’s what Trump stole.Read and shut up? Please read on from another source.
Mar a Lago document considerations
"There are exceptions, however. The Constitution also provides Congress with significant authority in the area of national security. In areas where the president and Congress share power, Congress may choose to legislate in ways that limit the president’s authority. For example, because Congress has specified that only the Department of Energy may declassify certain nuclear information, the president has no authority to do so.
"Notably, some of the documents the FBI retrieved from Mar-a-Lago had Formerly Restricted Data classification markings on them. Formerly Restricted Data can include information about the nuclear stockpile size, current and past locations of nuclear weapons, weapons yield information (i.e., how powerful they are), and above- or below-ground test results. Under long-standing interpretations of the Atomic Energy Act, such information may be declassified only by the Departments of Energy and Defense."
"Why does it matter whether Trump actually declassified the documents in question?
"It doesn’t! The legal issue currently before the courts is whether Department of Justice officials can be barred from reviewing the seized documents and using them in their criminal investigation until a special master can determine whether some of them are Trump’s private papers that must be returned to him. The district court judge issued such a prohibition, but a three-judge panel (including two Trump appointees) of the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals stayed her ruling as it applied to 100 documents with classification markings. [Bold added for emphasis.] As the appeals court recognized, the executive order allows original classification authorities to classify information only if it “is owned by, produced by or for, or is under the control of the United States Government.” By definition, that is government information — not private papers. Subsequent declassification does not change the information’s origins.
"Nor does the classification status of the documents affect Trump’s criminal liability. The Department of Justice has publicly cited three criminal statutes that might apply in this investigation. None of them require that the information be classified. The most serious charge, the Espionage Act, criminalizes mishandling of information “relating to the national defense.” Generally, judges consider classification to be strong evidence that information relates to the national defense. But unclassified or declassified information can still qualify — particularly when the declassification happened entirely outside the usual process, involving no consultation with the relevant agencies about the national security implications of removing protections."
So, Rightguide, your points on classification seem to be 'irrelevant' to the Mar-a-Lago situation with Donald Trump's retention of classified documents found in various non-secure locations.
My second-guessing is better than your second-guessing on this matter.As for your claim that the documents still retained intelligence value; this is a nonstarter because Trump determined that they do not when he declassified them. All you're doing is second guessing his decisions because you hate him and everything he stands for.
Which is a sign of mental illness.
True, but the evidence suggests he hasn't read much of anything in his life.You have no idea what Donald Trump has read or hasn't read.
It's not bullshit, chief.As you did with Russia Russia Russia, Trump is a Russian agent, Trump will end democracy and all of the other proven bullshit the left has pushed. You are highly literate in bullshit and fantasy.
Not only that, but what Reichguide is doing here is what the right always does when called on their extremism and on any unethical behavior on their part: let the other side tell the truth about them, and then bat your eyes and say, "Golly, folks, we can't be that bad, can we?"It's not bullshit, chief.
My second-guessing is better than your second-guessing on this matter.
You fail to approach the matter with common sense and not having a background in 'authority to regulate declassification.' You do not have the background to speak with authority on this matter. That is evident based upon prior posts about who has authority over nuclear regulatory actions. Your rebuttal missed all of those regulations. You select what you want to in support of Trump's position and ignore the rest.
See my post to this thread about Mar-a-Logo documents.
I'm glad you have come around to the point I made about Donald Truman having a mental illness. His psychiatrist niece agrees with you also. Now that at least three of us are in concurrence, shouldn't something be done about that?
It's not bullshit, chief.
Trump has said over and over again that he wants to be a dictator. He's SAID this.
Your recalcitrance on this matter remains astounding. The fact that Trump had the power to declassify doesn't mean it was declassified or that it was the right thing to do. It was not documented that he followed declassification procedures. He possessed the documents in the open, potentially placing American National security at risk.
That doesn't bother you? It should. Mental illness - ask his certified psychiatrist niece about that. Read the books if nothing else.
By your thoughts
That's the kind of mental illness swirling around in his head and perhaps you justify that action as well.
Nuclear secrets are classified by the authority of Congress. The President doesn’t have the ability to declassify them at his discretion.