Yeah, the Republican Party is dead, down & out, consigned to the trash bin of history

[miles]

The gaseous windbag ought to have to pack a catalytic converter.

He and Oreoboy are two pissboys in a pod.

 

[RightField]

Sounds like the competition of ideas will continue.

I vote for the Dodgers even though they look down and out. They'll be back though!

 

[unregistered]

 

[The_Trouvere]

He's a fucking idiot who doubles as a pompous ass.

When was the last time you had anything intelligent to say?

When was the first time?

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

You've gone clown. And, worse, you've gone boring. Iggy.

THAT'S ALL IT TOOK?




I feel like the governor of New York, I could have accomplished this much sooner if only I had of known...

 

[miles]

When was the last time you had anything intelligent to say?

When was the first time?

Troover, you're a fart filled windbag. You're the only one who doesn't realize it.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Maybe the Trou will come back in and tell us some more funny shit about Democrat unity.

Of course Democrats disagree, if we all agreed with one another and marched in lock-step we wouldn't be Democrats, we'd be Republicans.

 

[RightField]

Of course Democrats disagree, if we all agreed with one another and marched in lock-step we wouldn't be Democrats, we'd be Republicans.

If you had a coherent philosophy of government rather than a strange hodgepodge of special interest policy points, that would help a lot.

Liberty, freedom, smaller government, less government intrusion and lower taxes...uniting themes for the Republicans.

What do libs stand for.....policy advantages for trial lawyers? Union ownership of production? Destruction of the economy? I forgot...it's for free mortgages, free gasoline, free heating oil and free recreational drugs for all who want them (if you can't create jobs for them, might as well give them the means to self-medicate themselves into a fog of carefree living).

 

[JohnnySavage]

If you had a coherent philosophy of government rather than a strange hodgepodge of special interest policy points, that would help a lot.

Liberty, freedom, smaller government, less government intrusion and lower taxes...uniting themes for the Republicans.

What do libs stand for.....policy advantages for trial lawyers? Union ownership of production?

When has the Republican party ever done anything but pay lip-service to those ideals?

 

[John Doe]

If you had a coherent philosophy of government rather than a strange hodgepodge of special interest policy points, that would help a lot.

Liberty, freedom, smaller government, less government intrusion and lower taxes...uniting themes for the Republicans.

What do libs stand for.....policy advantages for trial lawyers? Union ownership of production? Destruction of the economy? I forgot...it's for free mortgages, free gasoline, free heating oil and free recreational drugs for all who want them (if you can't create jobs for them, might as well give them the means to self-medicate themselves into a fog of carefree living).

See, it's this kind of stuff that makes it difficult for me to choose...I say I'm Libertarian though.

"Libertarians are like conservatives that still get high." --Drew Carey

 

[The_Trouvere]

Troover, you're a fart filled windbag. You're the only one who doesn't realize it.

If you had any pride you would have fled long ago.

 

[John Doe]

If you had any pride you would have fled long ago.

No, this isn't about left or right. You are a dumbass and a douchebag regardless of politics.

 

[unregistered]

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Then his claims about party unity are as I implied...bullshit.

That's the thing. We as Democrats don't always agree, at least not at first. The Democrats haven't alienated their moderates and fiscal conservatives completely as the Republicans have with their moderates and social liberals. Options are weighed, debates rage until a compromise is made that all can agree on.

The Republicans seem to impose a decision on it's congressional members through force and intimidation. The leadership states it's position and all members are compelled to agree with it on penalty of being labelled a "RINO". It's been displayed here innumerable times. They have all but driven the moderates and independents away from their party by shuffling as far tot he right as possible without losing touch with reality altogether.

Although an argument could be made that the fringe elements lost touch with reality long ago. Take dizzybooby for example.

 

[unregistered]

 

[John Doe]

That's the thing. We as Democrats don't always agree, at least not at first. The Democrats haven't alienated their moderates and fiscal conservatives completely as the Republicans have with their moderates and social liberals. Options are weighed, debates rage until a compromise is made that all can agree on.

The Republicans seem to impose a decision on it's congressional members through force and intimidation. The leadership states it's position and all members are compelled to agree with it on penalty of being labelled a "RINO". It's been displayed here innumerable times. They have all but driven the moderates and independents away from their party by shuffling as far tot he right as possible without losing touch with reality altogether.

Although an argument could be made that the fringe elements lost touch with reality long ago. Take dizzybooby for example.

busybody is so far out I don't think it's fair to identify him as any particular party, unless "totally batshit fucking loco" is a party (no, it's not the same as Republican).

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

busybody is so far out I don't think it's fair to identify him as any particular party, unless "totally batshit fucking loco" is a party (no, it's not the same as Republican).

There can be no doubt that he is (or pretends to be at least) a fringe far right religious conservative. A group that has been actively pandered to by the GOP.

You're known by the company that you keep, even more when you seek out their support.

 

[John Doe]

There can be no doubt that he is (or pretends to be at least) a fringe far right religious conservative. A group that has been actively pandered to by the GOP.

You're known by the company that you keep, even more when you seek out their support.

Excepting the President.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

So you think there's no arm twisting going on my the Democrat leadership? Really?

Link me up with a single Republican who has come out and said he would have voted with Obama but was held back by his leadership.

When Congress passed the Recovery Act with the support of Arlen Specter (formerly R-PA now D-PA), Sens. Susan Collins (R-ME), and Olympia Snowe (R-ME), Michael Steele threatened to retaliate against them the next time they were up for reelection.

RNC Chairman Michael Steele said he was open to withholding RNC funds from Sens. Olympia Snowe (R-ME), Susan Collins (R-ME), and Arlen Specter (R-PA) because they voted for Obama’s economic recovery package.

Snowe wrote that in response to such threats from Steele and litmus tests imposed on them by the right wing, moderate Republicans often “get the distinct feeling that you’re no longer welcome in the tribe.”

That's a bit more than "arm twisting". That's outright intimidation and bullying by GOP leadership to force members to vote against their better judgement and the will of their constituents.

 

[JohnGalt2009]

Ignore them. They're just mocking you because they hate Ayn Rand.

No worries at all. I see it for what it is.
I've neve claimed to be expert in the use of grammar.

 

[JohnGalt2009]

I read The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged. Leaving aside the fucked up philosophy, from a literary point of view they were fucking AWFUL.

The writing is certainly simplistic, which is a subjective statement, but one most can agree upon.

As for the "fucked up philosophy" statement, again subjective, but lacking in any type of backing. Frankly it isn't a "fucked up philosophy" unless you are one of the people that the story seeks to mock. I happen to think that the tenets of being responsible for oneself, an exceptional work ethic and trading a value for a value is anything but "fucked up".

The "fucked up" philosophy is the one of the individual who thinks that he is owed something, that people should be forced to share; or for anyone who thinks that "from each according to ability, to each according to need" is noble and worthy.

 

[JohnGalt2009]

That's the thing. We as Democrats don't always agree, at least not at first. The Democrats haven't alienated their moderates and fiscal conservatives completely as the Republicans have with their moderates and social liberals. Options are weighed, debates rage until a compromise is made that all can agree on.

The Republicans seem to impose a decision on it's congressional members through force and intimidation. The leadership states it's position and all members are compelled to agree with it on penalty of being labelled a "RINO". It's been displayed here innumerable times. They have all but driven the moderates and independents away from their party by shuffling as far tot he right as possible without losing touch with reality altogether.

Although an argument could be made that the fringe elements lost touch with reality long ago. Take dizzybooby for example.

Eh... no.
You give the republicans too much credit. The only difference between these two parties is that the Demopublicans are the party of bigger government now, and the republicrats are the party of bigger government tomorrow.

The only thing that will really differentiate the two parties is if the dems finally show some courage and rename their party to the Socialist Party of the USA.

I can't think of a proper name for the repubs. I see no backbone at all.

 

[Wrong Element]

So you think there's no arm twisting going on my the Democrat leadership? Really?

Link me up with a single Republican who has come out and said he would have voted with Obama but was held back by his leadership.

Yes, because politicians always admit that they do what they're told by their leadership.

Do you think a Republican senator who endorsed the Democratic candidate for president would be permitted to remain a committee chairman? The Democrats didn't punish Joe Lieberman. The GOP expects much more discipline out of its members of Congress--which isn't a criticism. If the Democrats believed in the same thing, health care would have been passed weeks ago.

Is this "JohnGalt2009" guy as big a moron as his username would lead one to believe? I'm going to put him on mental Ignore unless I'm urged otherwise.

 

[JohnGalt2009]

When Congress passed the Recovery Act with the support of Arlen Specter (formerly R-PA now D-PA), Sens. Susan Collins (R-ME), and Olympia Snowe (R-ME), Michael Steele threatened to retaliate against them the next time they were up for reelection.

RNC Chairman Michael Steele said he was open to withholding RNC funds from Sens. Olympia Snowe (R-ME), Susan Collins (R-ME), and Arlen Specter (R-PA) because they voted for Obama’s economic recovery package.

Snowe wrote that in response to such threats from Steele and litmus tests imposed on them by the right wing, moderate Republicans often “get the distinct feeling that you’re no longer welcome in the tribe.”

That's a bit more than "arm twisting". That's outright intimidation and bullying by GOP leadership to force members to vote against their better judgement and the will of their constituents.

The democratic party does the exact same thing, period. Deny it, and you deny knowing the workings of BOTH political party's.

A few years ago, I almost ran for an office in a large suburb, as a republican. I had the silly notion of federalism in mind. Things like smaller government, less taxation, fiscal responsibility, etc. Yea... Sounds good as a marketing package, but when I went to the "school" that "trains" the incoming generation of party leaders, it wasn't about moving your agenda forward; it was about re-election all day every day, period. Continuation of party power, period.

In the process, "the party" (works the same for dem and repub), they will do things to ensure that you stay in place. And when you go against the party, and you go against the key tenet of holding an office as a party member; you DO NOT go against the party or do anything that causes a loss of a seat. Ever.

Specter and Snow are two parasitic idiots of a greater magnitude than anyone in the R party. I cannot think of one "statesman" in the congress, from either party. All we have are professional politicians, and we are not supposed to have professional politicians.

A perfect example of the criminals, the parasites, the idiots that we have in congress is the very reality that the "Recovery Act" was passed. I own a company that has a large play in the federal markets, so I have visibility to all contracts coming down the pike. That "recovery act" was a pay off. It is all going to government entities, or entities that get paid by the federal government. It is claimed that it will create jobs, but those jobs will not be private sector jobs; they will be government jobs, 600,000 of them to be exact. 600,000 people that the government can take credit for, and new dependents.

Such atrocities should never occur in a country based upon individual freedom and liberty.

 

[JohnGalt2009]

Yes, because politicians always admit that they do what they're told by their leadership.

Do you think a Republican senator who endorsed the Democratic candidate for president would be permitted to remain a committee chairman? The Democrats didn't punish Joe Lieberman. The GOP expects much more discipline out of its members of Congress--which isn't a criticism. If the Democrats believed in the same thing, health care would have been passed weeks ago.

Is this "JohnGalt2009" guy as big a moron as his username would lead one to believe? I'm going to put him on mental Ignore unless I'm urged otherwise.

A moron? Wow... Name calling? That is the best you have? Go ahead and ignore me, it isn't a loss to me. Frankly, I came here to challenge what I believe, and to learn what others think. Yet you, and probably several like you, while unable to logically respond, choose to have a tantrum and ignore someone you can't handle. By all means, go for it. Just know, it is a cowardly act on your part.

BTW, you want to call me an idiot, yet claim that your beloved party did not "punish" one who defected? Which would be totally incorrect. Just ask Joe.

Moreover, your comments about what the repub party expects is also incorrect.

Health care didn't pass because it is an abomination, and I've laid out some points else where; that people like you have failed to make any rational counter towards.

But go ahead and ignore me.