You don’t protect my freedom

[The_Trouvere]

The radical left has been repudiated and kicked to the curb by the American majority. Totalitarian leftist like the author live and think up their perfidy in a country built, bought, and paid for, by the sacrifice of better men and women.

How did you protect my freedom in Vietnam? When you lost, my freedom did not get any less.

Also, what do you mean by "freedom?"

The freedom that is most important to me is intellectual freedom. From the end of the Second World War to the Tet Offensive, when the War in Vietnam became unpopular, the American Communist Party and other Marxist organizations had their intellectual freedom restricted by blacklists, and witch hunts.

In 1963 and 1964 there was a folk music program on television named Hootenanny. Because folk music appeals to left wing people a number of folk musicians, including Pete Seeger, were blacklisted from the program.

What were they afraid of? Did they think Pete Seeger would send coded messages to the KGB?

Millions of Americans were scared half to death that somebody teaching at the local public school, writing for the local newspaper, or perhaps the milk man was a Communist.

 

[The_Trouvere]

All leftism is a form of totalitarianism. It requires an ever increasing force of government against the civil society

Totalitarianism can exist on the left and the right. It exists when a dictator tries to control, not only what people do, but what they think. Fortunately, it is declining. Even in China there is a limited right to criticize the government.

Totalitarianism certainly does not exist in Scandinavia. Scandinavian Social Democracy is the closest approximation to democratic socialism.

 

[The_Trouvere]

The umbrella needs to come down from over the heads of our domestic enemies.

Who do you consider to be "domestic enemies?" What do you mean by bringing the umbrella down on these presumed enemies?

If by "domestic enemies" you mean terrorists, I certainly agree with you. What I suspect however, is that you would like to punish those who disagree with you, even if they do not break the law.

When Sarah Palin talks about preferring to be in "pro American parts of the United States," that has a whiff of the totalitarianism you think only exists on the left.

 

[The_Trouvere]

You Americans are such dramatic twats.

People who live in other countries must think Americans are going crazy. Perhaps they are right. The United States is bitterly polarized. One can see the fault lines developing for a civil war. People in other advanced democracies do not seem to be so angry at each other.

 

[The_Trouvere]

The United States could have avoided World War II. I am glad we did not. I would not want to live in a world dominated by Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. By defeating Germany we saved the lives of at least another four million Jews.

The United States could have avoided the Korean War. I am glad we did not. By every criteria important to me South Korea is a better country than North Korea.

We will never know what South Vietnam would be like if we had won the War in Vietnam. What matters is that the overwhelming majority of the Vietnamese supported the Communists.

We will never know what would have happened if we allowed Saddam Hussein to conquer Kuwait. He may have been tempted to conquer Saudi Arabia. He may have been tempted to attack Israel. I am glad he was not able to do either of these.

A military response to 9/11 was politically necessary. Nevertheless, the way to fight Islamic terrorism is to keep Muslims out of our country. It is not to invade their countries.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Nevertheless, the way to fight Islamic terrorism is to keep Muslims out of our country.

What, all of them?

 

[The_Trouvere]

What, all of them?

Yes. We need to get back to the concept that some minorities bring with them more problems than benefits. Muslims in the United States have a lower crime rate than blacks. Every group does. Nevertheless, Muslims can engage in horrible acts of terrorism. It is easier to exclude them entirely, than it is to choose who to admit, and who to exclude.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Vettey doesn't like it...that's how.

And no I didn't protect anyone's freedumb....I protected Halliburton, McD's, Subway, defense contractors galore and green bean coffee's freedom to bilk the fuck out of the american tax payer. So the yellow ribbon brigade could vote to cut soldier/vet benefits/pay while demanding their contractor buddies get paid literally 100's of times more for doing considerably less than joe. Because fucking people for defense spending on toys and contractors who suck GOP senator dick the best = patriotism right vette!?!?! LOL

But hey they have a bumper sticker and say "thanks for your service!" once a year....plus they got an AR15 too!! So personal responsibility is in tact. LOL bunch of fuckin' assholes....

I hate people.

Halliburton shareholders thank you for your sacrifice, in every way, shape or form except monetary.

 

[KingOrfeo]

We need to get back to the concept that some minorities bring with them more problems than benefits.

That was the idea behind the Immigration Act of 1924. It was a bad idea then, and it's a bad idea now.

Nevertheless, Muslims can engage in horrible acts of terrorism.

So can you, so can I, so can Anglos like Timothy McVeigh. That's no reason to bar British immigrants.

 

[oggbashan]

The military, including the US military, do not decide whether they go to war, and if they do, the terms of engagement for that war.

In democracies, the decision to go to war, and how that war is to be fought, is made by elected politicians on behalf of their country.

The military try to fight the war within the constraints set by the government. Neither their uniformed leaders, nor the most junior member, should be blamed for fighting an unjust or unimportant war. Their task is to do what their government, and ultimately their country, asks them to do - or to die trying.

They deserve respect for doing their duty, even if the war they are fighting is pointless. Americans should have learned that from Vietnam. The British should have learned that from Suez.

Unfortunately neither country has really accepted that troops do what they are told to do. The politicians should take the blame, not the poor bloody infantryman who is being shot at.

 

[KingOrfeo]

The military, including the US military, do not decide whether they go to war, and if they do, the terms of engagement for that war.

In democracies, the decision to go to war, and how that war is to be fought, is made by elected politicians on behalf of their country.

The military try to fight the war within the constraints set by the government. Neither their uniformed leaders, nor the most junior member, should be blamed for fighting an unjust or unimportant war. Their task is to do what their government, and ultimately their country, asks them to do - or to die trying.

They deserve respect for doing their duty, even if the war they are fighting is pointless. Americans should have learned that from Vietnam. The British should have learned that from Suez.

Unfortunately neither country has really accepted that troops do what they are told to do. The politicians should take the blame, not the poor bloody infantryman who is being shot at.

All true, and the author of the article in the OP would agree; but the point of the article is that our exaggerated valorization of soldiers and cops blinds us to, or tempts us to give them a pass on, bad things they do that are their fault, like sexual assault on comrades, atrocities on civilians, police brutality, etc.

 

[The_Trouvere]

That was the idea behind the Immigration Act of 1924. It was a bad idea then, and it's a bad idea now.

The Immigration Act of 1924 and the persistence of Jim Crow laws eased Franklin Roosevelt's problems dealing with the Great Depression. Both meant that lower income whites could vote Democrat without voting for social and economic equality with non whites. Consequently during each of the four presidential elections Roosevelt won, he carried all eleven former Confederate states.

I see little reason to admit the immigration of Hispanics, and no reason to admit the immigration of Negroes and Arabs. They are characterized by low IQ's and high crime rates. How do those people benefit us?

 

[mikey2much]

The draft kept the army honest

the army today is made up of career soldiers. Before the end of the draft it was made up of 'real people' who had jobs to get back home to. Today it is much easier to get into an 'us against them' type of mentality.

I don't think we can trust the army today as much as we could when they were made up of 'us'.

 

[The_Trouvere]

All true, and the author of the article in the OP
would agree; but the point of the article is that our exaggerated valorization of
soldiers and cops blinds us to, or tempts us to give them a pass on, bad things
they do that are their fault, like sexual assault on comrades, atrocities on
civilians, police brutality, etc.

I want more police brutality against young black men. They are out of
control. I want them to be slapped down hard.

 

[richard_daily]

The radical left has been repudiated and kicked to the curb by the American majority. Totalitarian leftist like the author live and think up their perfidy in a country built, bought, and paid for, by the sacrifice of better men and women.

In your case, freedom costs a can of corn.

 

[RobDownSouth]

In your case, freedom costs a can of corn.

That was only for 20 minutes worth of freedom. Remember, electric fans and athletic shoes are the price for a week's worth of freedom.

 

[richard_daily]

All leftism is a form of totalitarianism. It requires an ever increasing force of government against the civil society

You've had your ass handed to you on this subject more times than I can count, but your cognitive dissonance prevents you from doing anything but parroting the same line over and over.

Feel free to brush up:
http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=669405

Hitler, Mussolini, and all fascists were (and are) fervently right wing, unless you are talking about third position fascism... not that I even expect you to understand the basics, much less the nuances.

 

[KingOrfeo]

All leftism is a form of totalitarianism. It requires an ever increasing force of government against the civil society

Totalitarianism certainly does not exist in Scandinavia. Scandinavian Social Democracy is the closest approximation to democratic socialism.

What say you, vette -- is Sweden a totalitarian state? Or, does what you say apply only in an "exceptional" American setting?

 

[KingOrfeo]

All leftism is a form of totalitarianism. It requires an ever increasing force of government against the civil society

"Government, after all, is society; it is all of us getting together. The economy is not."

-- Jeff Madrick, Seven Bad Ideas: How Mainstream Economists Have Damaged America and the World

 

[domroger]

I am in two minds about this article .
But the one thing I am sure about is that the habit of referring to all service people is TOTALLY wrong .They are just doing their jobs ,with the exceptional few who are really heroes .

 

[NeverEndingMe]

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I love child porn

you are a fucking retard

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Totalitarianism can exist on the left and the right. It exists when a dictator tries to control, not only what people do, but what they think. Fortunately, it is declining. Even in China there is a limited right to criticize the government.

Totalitarianism certainly does not exist in Scandinavia. Scandinavian Social Democracy is the closest approximation to democratic socialism.

you are a little pussy that hides in a basement

 

[The_Trouvere]

What say you, vette -- is Sweden a totalitarian state? Or, does what
you say apply only in an "exceptional" American setting?

In The Road to Serfdom Friedrich von Hayek said social democracy leads to
totalitarianism. In the seventy years since the book was published we can see
that this is not true. Totalitarianism has risen in countries without democratic
traditions during times of national trauma.

Countries with Social Democratic economies are more stable than the United
States. One does not see in them the polarization so evident in this country.

 

[The_Trouvere]

you are a little pussy that hides in a
basement

Have you graduated from high school yet? Have you ever had a job?

 

[The_Trouvere]

you are a fucking retard

You are a disgrace to this website. I wish so many posters had not put you
on ignore. You deserve to be insulted with every one of your posts.