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Pretty much the entirety of the modern 1st world nations including the US very existence shit upon that fantasy world you're living in.
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Pretty much the entirety of the modern 1st world nations including the US very existence shit upon that fantasy world you're living in.
The social democracies of Scandinavia are not falling apart.
"Government, after all, is society; it is all of us getting together. The economy is not."
-- Jeff Madrick, Seven Bad Ideas: How Mainstream Economists Have Damaged America and the World
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Are you suggesting that our society is not white enough??
No, you are confusing me with Trouvere.
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"Civilized" people who bomb other nations into the stone age for the sake of oil company and defense industry profits...
Sure.
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Socialism
Socialism resembles the feudal lord, giving the serfs all they need to survive, while the elite enjoy the fruits of their labor. Socialism is a very young idea whose experiment is not yet come to an end. History is not on its side.
Socialism resembles the feudal lord, giving the serfs all they need to survive, while the elite enjoy the fruits of their labor. Socialism is a very young idea whose experiment is not yet come to an end. History is not on its side.
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What's hilarious is watching closet racists like yourself claim that the only reason why Scandinavian socialism works is because you think only white people live there.
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You just described american capitalism.
That sounds a lot more like capitalism, in the form we've got now.
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Hah
I knew you would say that. Can you see both sides? At least in the US you can rise above your birth station. The brain drain of the world still comes here for opportunity. People don't leave, they fight to get in. How can you miss this. Those "oppressed corporate masses" do not see the opportunity offered by their freedom. I'll bet none of you own a business
I knew you would say that. Can you see both sides? At least in the US you can rise above your birth station. The brain drain of the world still comes here for opportunity. People don't leave, they fight to get in. How can you miss this. Those "oppressed corporate masses" do not see the opportunity offered by their freedom. I'll bet none of you own a business
I understand that to the degree it is important, it is a matter of class, not race or ethnicity. A society with less wealth inequality better enjoys the benefits of homogeneity.
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Ah, the myth of social mobility in corporate-run america... How many people form the lower cast (let's say the bottom 20%) move into the upper echelons of the 1%?
I can't think of a single one, ever.
Feel free to show how you can "just make it if i you pull yourself up by your bootstraps" though... show you work.
Actually, as developed nations go, we don't rate very high on that score; only the UK is worse.
Third-Worlders fight to get in; quite understandable. (Many do get discouraged and leave, when they figure out that if you live in the U.S. you're earning dollars instead of pesos, but you're also spending dollars instead of pesos, and with prices and bottom-rung wages what they are here these days, it ain't that easy to get ahead.)
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Really
How about, athletes, doctors, engineers and even goverment employees. I have many friends who came from poverty, including myself(goverment cheese and spam) who are now retired, eatning over $90,000 per year in pensions. Thats 1 million every 11 years. Not 1% but not to shabby.
How about, athletes, doctors, engineers and even goverment employees. I have many friends who came from poverty, including myself(goverment cheese and spam) who are now retired, eatning over $90,000 per year in pensions. Thats 1 million every 11 years. Not 1% but not to shabby.
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Save at least 10% of your pay.If you buy a house, by less than you can afford. Pay double mortgage payments. Every 7 years your invested money doubles, time is on your side. Be frugal only pay cash. If you can't then don't buy it. Sounds simple, but most people can't do it.
Save at least 10% of your pay.If you buy a house, by less than you can afford. Pay double mortgage payments. Every 7 years your invested money doubles, time is on your side. Be frugal only pay cash. If you can't then don't buy it. Sounds simple, but most people can't do it.
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And none of that gets anyone even close to the 1%. Not even 1% of the way there.
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I am ~shocked~ that upwardly-striving people haven't sought you out for solace on the weary road beset with ob-stack-els. Think of how much more successful they might have been if they had just spent more time with you, evaluating their prospects for success.
In childhood I knew a janitor at a gym that rode the wave of the 80's health-club craze into the largest, most expensive mansion in the state. Does that count?
Herman Cain seemed to do all-right for himself. You didn't think Romney and certainly his father were born into the 1%, did you?
Barack Obama has never held an actual job with responsibilities of any kind prior to the Presidency and he is a millionare several times over.
Harry Reid was an unsuccessful lawyer when he went into politics and managed to amass likely close to a billion dollars between himself and his family members.
Heard of Bill Gates? Steven Jobs?
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None of these people are from the lower 20% cast... not even close... except maybe for this nameless janitor that you "grew up with".
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Why
Why are you so obsessed with only the top 1%. I think any of the bottom 20% would love to become onw of the top 40%, which is really possible in this country.
Why are you so obsessed with only the top 1%. I think any of the bottom 20% would love to become onw of the top 40%, which is really possible in this country.
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We have castes? When did this happen?
He wasn't nameless, his name was Gordon. Why would you think he could not afford a name?
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Because social mobility is worse in this country than any other industrialized nation, save maybe the GB.
You can have the myth of "work hard an you'll succeed" if you want, but it's not reality.
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What's his last name?
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Last I heard he was married and as far as I know he is straight.
Why, exactly, do you want to know?
~stalker~
Besides, <gold-digger> I think he lost it all...
You know- the way the list of the top 1% changes over times as fortunes are won and lost.
If you really want to dig, People magazine, around 1986.
Edit: Hmmm. I hope Gordan has some Krugerrands buried around places still. He is gonna need 'em for the legal bills. Seems he got involved with some other guy's Ponzi Scheme in an attempt to repeat the American Dream again.
He really should have gone into Politics where ponzi schemes and mathematically unsupportable schemes of all stripes are legal. Hell, insider trading for members of congress was legal until very recently.
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