1-Bombing on Loving Wives

[IWroteThis]

This is Literotica's description of LW

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Cheating, hot wife and cuck stories fit there. The authors should not have to run to other categories to avoid being abused by these hyenas. The authors and kinks are not the issue, its the faction of insecure male woman hating asshole trolls that are.

Actually, it's not that clear-cut and, based on that description, cheating doesn't fit there. Neither do unwilling cuckold or hot wife stories. The specific wording would indicate mutual agreement, which those three sub-genres do not include.

 

[Statius]

The best writer I've found here at Lit publishes in that category, and barely a story over 4. It's not you, (probably, I haven't read your story but I'd put money on that) it's them.

 

[Ianus4]

This is Literotica's description of LW

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Indeed, but if you read the subtitle of Group Sex, it says: "Orgies, swingers, and others." So are there two categories for swingers?

Cheating, hot wife and cuck stories fit there. The authors should not have to run to other categories to avoid being abused by these hyenas. The authors and kinks are not the issue, its the faction of insecure male woman hating asshole trolls that are.

But since you can't educate the public, and you can't ban such stories and their authors and readers, the solution would still be to divide Loving Wives into two separate categories, listing voluntary wife sharing (etc.) stories in one and non-voluntary wife sharing (aka cheating) stories in the other, as I wrote earlier. This would be the most reassuring solution for both writers and readers. The other categories would remain as they are.
The current situation is worst for writers on the voluntary line.

 

[lovecraft68]

One way to look at this topic is the 'where there's that much smoke there's fire'

The issues with LW trolls and hateful insanity has been the topic of discussion in thread after thread and always by new people who just discovered it for themselves.

Spin it whatever way you want, a portion of the readership there is a recurring issue. Unless you give them a non erotic hatefest BTB they trash everything.

 

[NoTalentHack]

One way to look at this topic is the 'where there's that much smoke there's fire'

The issues with LW trolls and hateful insanity has been the topic of discussion in thread after thread and always by new people who just discovered it for themselves.

Spin it whatever way you want, a portion of the readership there is a recurring issue. Unless you give them a non erotic hatefest BTB they trash everything.

LOL it’s like you can only repeat the same BS over and over again, despite the many, many counter-examples.

 

[CalBishForNow]

My modest proposal was tongue-in-cheek, but maybe there's something to it. Non-erotic doesn't get much use, and lots of stories in LW are just plain not about either sex or love.

 

[SmilingLez]

So I read my first LW story. It was short and had a 3.5 rating but a lot of comments. Anyway I enjoyed the story so I left a comment and five stars. It was about a cheating wife but what I liked about it is the husband refused to be a doormat and filed for divorce immediately. No revenge no nothing. It was a healthy story

 

[pink_silk_glove]

Actually, it's not that clear-cut and, based on that description, cheating doesn't fit there. Neither do unwilling cuckold or hot wife stories. The specific wording would indicate mutual agreement, which those three sub-genres do not include.

Swinging, sharing and more. Cheating and cuckold goes there.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

But since you can't educate the public, and you can't ban such stories and their authors and readers, the solution would still be to divide Loving Wives into two separate categories, listing voluntary wife sharing (etc.) stories in one and non-voluntary wife sharing (aka cheating) stories in the other, as I wrote earlier. This would be the most reassuring solution for both writers and readers. The other categories would remain as they are.

I would welcome that with open arms, but until that happens (and I wouldn't hold your breath if I were you) cuckold and cheating goes in LW.

 

[IWroteThis]

Swinging, sharing and more. Cheating and cuckold goes there.

The full category description implies otherwise. If you want to pretend that "and more" includes everything, then that would include BTB, making your point pointless.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

So I read my first LW story. It was short and had a 3.5 rating but a lot of comments. Anyway I enjoyed the story so I left a comment and five stars. It was about a cheating wife but what I liked about it is the husband refused to be a doormat and filed for divorce immediately. No revenge no nothing. It was a healthy story

That would not be a good story.

Him accepting and joining in would be better. Even if 'joining in' didn't mean actual participation, but agreeing to the sharing.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

The full category description implies otherwise. If you want to pretend that "and more" includes everything, then that would include BTB, making your point pointless.

I never said that BtB doesn't belong in LW. YOU are the one who says cuckold doesn't. YOU are the one with the stick up your ass about the category and the whole adultery kink, not just in this thread but also in the other one last week. YOU are the one telling everyone how LW is defined, by YOUR definition and yours alone. Don't throw your own bullshit at my feet. I'm not stupid enough to step in it.

 

[RocketGrunt]

I don't actually think it's completely possible to divide all the variants of cheating fetishes into separate boards. Consider just the story of "Guy A's girl sleeps with Guy B and becomes Guy B's girl." That's a very simple plot, but the fetish of that is very different if it's:

1. Told from Guy B's POV and it's about stealing Guy A's girl by being an Alpha Chad.
2. Told from Guy A's POV and it's about losing his girl due to being insufficiently manly.
3. Told from Guy A's POV and it's about how the girl made a big mistake and she suffers.
4. Told from the girl's POV and it's about sexually awakening to new possibilities with a new guy.
5. Told from the girl's POV and it's about regretting that she can't undo her mistake.

And so on. Same "plot" but the target audience is completely different. I think that the whole cheating section needs to establish themselves some tags and get together on what kind of trigger warnings people want. The Reluctant/NonCon board manages to get along despite the fact that the people who want to read stories about blackmail and coercive seduction are not necessarily onboard for gang rapes, forced prostitution, torture conditioning, or institutional slavery. Every one of those fetishes is just horrific crime to everyone who doesn't have it is as their personal fetish. And yet, for the most part the NonCon people are able to just accept that not everything on the board is for them.

I think the LW people, authors and readers both, need to get themselves some established social norms about what direction their stories are going. Just basic questions like whether this is a story that glorifies or demonizes cheating. Whether this story has both partners onboard with the extramarital sex. That kind of thing. Just basic stuff, like is your story a comedy or a tragedy? When people fall, are we supposed to laugh?

Here are some real stories that came out today:

* Foreign Exchange
Unexpected meeting with Chinese man.

* Prague
How a birthday trip changed my life.

* Tuesday Will Be Much Better
When insomnia sows a seed of doubt.

* Leopard Spots
A betrayed husband reconciles with his cheating wife.

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So what do we notice here? From the standpoint of the LW community, only the fourth one tells you what kind of story it is. The other three are clickbait titles that say absolutely nothing about which fetish faction is supposed to enjoy the stories. The first story doesn't even have any tags! The second one's tags include "threesome" and "bisexual" but crucially does not say whether it's an MMF threesome or an FFM threesome, which is pretty fucking important. The third one has much more extensive tags, including "cheating wife," "cuckold," and "humiliation" but still does not tell us whether it is fundamentally a comedy or a tragedy. Looking at those tags I now know that the man's wife betrays him to fuck some dude with a big dick, but I do not know whether we are supposed to find that humiliation sexy or not, and I don't think the audience is wrong to fucking riot when they go into these stories and find that they are on the wrong end of the fetish being presented and they weren't meaningfully warned up front. It's not like story 1, 2, or 3 have a preface or trigger warning of any kind.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

I think the LW people, authors and readers both, need to get themselves some established social norms about what direction their stories are going. Just basic questions like whether this is a story that glorifies or demonizes cheating. Whether this story has both partners onboard with the extramarital sex. That kind of thing. Just basic stuff, like is your story a comedy or a tragedy? When people fall, are we supposed to laugh?

You're way overthinking this. The writers should just post their adultery stories to LW and if a bunch of butthurt misogynistic assholes who do not care about the characterizations nor the themes, nor the plot, nor even the general prose and dialogue, nor heck even the eroticism (!!), and only care about the justice ending, want to trash the living fuck out of it on the scoreboard and comments, just fuck 'em. Why? Because that's the only way to get huge free traffic. If you want that traffic, that is the shit that you just have to deal with.

You are NOT entitled to a Red H. You are NOT entitled to positive feedback only (despite what Duleigh thinks).

However, I do think that there are some fairly simple things that Laurel could do to mitigate some of this sick hateful non-erotic behavior, but obviously she's not interested in doing that, so there it is.

 

[Ianus4]

I would welcome that with open arms, but until that happens (and I wouldn't hold your breath if I were you) cuckold and cheating goes in LW.

It is obvious that if Lit had intended to do so, they would have already done it. I just don't understand who benefits from pitting groups of people against each other. This is not about whether breastfeeding and licking sweaty women's toes should be in the same category. Cheating & Co. is a kink in the eyes of one side and a drama in the eyes of the other. Stories of reconciliation and (revengeless) moving on are actually a special subgenre of romance. Still, I wouldn't put them among the other lighthearted romantic stories.

So we're left with the bombing, the parties judging each other, and every two weeks a new thread about how awful LW is.

 

[OddLove]

Personally, I consider the LW the "Mean-Spirited/Angry Revenge" category.

So if I write a story about Loving Wives/Husbands, it going in Erotic Couples or Romance.

If I write a story about consensual and happy Cuckoldry, it's going in Fetish.

if I write a story about Cheating Partners/Unhappy Cuckoldry, it's going in Reluctanct/Non-Consent.

If I write a story about Swingers, it's going in Group Sex.

There really isn't any "For Accurate Categorization" reasons to publish a story in Loving Wives. The only logical reasons are to rage-bait woman haters, or gain engagement and visibility because it's a huge cesspool of readers. There are categories that cover everything Loving Wives claims to be, which is "Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more" according to it's own description.

So my advice to your valid frustration is this, never post a story in Loving Wives simply because it fits the description of "Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more," you're better off posting it in a different category that actually has readers who enjoy those kinds of stories such as Erotic Couples, Romance, Fetish, Non-Con, Group Sex, etc.

 

[Ianus4]

Personally, I consider the LW the "Mean-Spirited/Angry Revenge" category.

I respect your opinion, but I see that most of the LW audience actually LOVES it when the unfaithful wife is forgiven. They just care a hell of a lot about it being believable and well-founded. They want to believe that trust can be rebuilt. If the stories are plausible, the blind BTBers are in the minority.

 

[OddLove]

I respect your opinion, but I see that most of the LW audience actually LOVES it when the unfaithful wife is forgiven. They just care a hell of a lot about it being believable and well-founded. They want to believe that trust can be rebuilt. If the stories are plausible, the blind BTBers are in the minority.

And though I respect your perspective and/or preferences for Cheating Wife stories. I went and browsed the New stories in LW.

In "Love Letters in The Attic - End" a reader "114FSO" comments, "Great conclusion. Another ENTITLED CUNT gets burnt due to her hubris, and ENTITLED way of thinking. Now she has destroyed 3 innocent people, all due to her ENTITLEMENT THINKING, and being unfaithful.. Serves her right. Lost her husband, no father for the children. No child support from the walking talking sex boy toy, and now she has to do it all on her own. STUPID CUNT."

And in "The Empty Chair - Part Three" a reader "hugpix" comments, "The second you starting having the characters spouting nonsense like 'husbands don't own their wives anymore,' this became parody. Spouses absolutely own their partner's bodies unless they go into the relationship stating otherwise. A husband has every right to restrict access to his wife's body as a wife has the right to restrict access to the husband's. The characters in this chapter read like parodies rather than real people, not speaking like I think real people would. It instally pulled me out and made me lose interest. Not for me."

Now, I'll fully admit, most comments are not this vile, mean-spirited, and disgusting. But many of them are. I only had to check three random stories to find those comments. And the third story that didn't have nasty comments like this was only about half a page long and had zero comments.

So yes, you have your perspective about what you believe the LW Audience Actually Loves, but there are thousands of comments from angry bitter men who don't want what you describe. And whether you or anyone else likes it or not, when you put your story in Loving Wives, you're feeding it directly to people like I showed above. Even if they're not the majority, they are a significant chunk of the LW audience, and they will always 1-star bomb stories like you described above. That's the trade-off. You either make those people happy with a Mean-Spirited Revenge Story, or you upset them.

The only possible way to avoid it would be very accurate tags, and a detailed trigger warning message at the top which summarizes the story and how it ends, and warns readers that it's actually a loving story with a happily ever after ending.

 

[Actingup]

The most important thing to know about Loving Wives in my opinion is that it's entirely possible to have zillions of readers, a Red H (but not a blue W), and stacks of highly engaged comments, many of which you will disagree with. But it's more of a challenge to get that result in combination with the good score than for other categories. As a writer, what more could you possibly want to keep you motivated? Dive in.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

Stories of reconciliation and (revengeless) moving on are actually a special subgenre of romance.

Don't tell that to the Romance crowd. : P

 

[pink_silk_glove]

Personally, I consider the LW the "Mean-Spirited/Angry Revenge" category.

So if I write a story about Loving Wives/Husbands, it going in Erotic Couples or Romance.

If I write a story about consensual and happy Cuckoldry, it's going in Fetish.

if I write a story about Cheating Partners/Unhappy Cuckoldry, it's going in Reluctanct/Non-Consent.

If I write a story about Swingers, it's going in Group Sex.

So you care more about getting a positive reaction than you do about being read by (way) more eyes.

 

[CalBishForNow]

if I write a story about Cheating Partners/Unhappy Cuckoldry, it's going in Reluctanct/Non-Consent.

If Jesse is married to Sam, and Jesse has sex with Alex, and Jesse and Alex both enthusiastically consent, you'd put it in R/NC because Sam doesn't? I don't think that would go over well.

If I write a story about Swingers, it's going in Group Sex.

Even if all the sex in it is one-on-one? I'm pretty sure the Group Sex category expects to see groups of people going at it.

I don't actually think it's completely possible to divide all the variants of cheating fetishes into separate boards. Consider just the story of "Guy A's girl sleeps with Guy B and becomes Guy B's girl." That's a very simple plot, but the fetish of that is very different if it's:
...
And so on. Same "plot" but the target audience is completely different. I think that the whole cheating section needs to establish themselves some tags and get together on what kind of trigger warnings people want. ...

I like most of this except for the part about tags and content warnings. I and many other authors there use them. It doesn't seem to noticeably help the scores. I think I'm going to start putting the tags in text in/after the warning just to make it a little more clear, but on the other hand plenty of authors have much more explicit warnings than mine and still get the kind of reception everyone is complaining about here.

 

[DeeceeBee]

Hi All,

So my first story in the Loving Wives category published last night (I'm UK based). Woke up this morning to find it 1*'d to hell.
Angry at first, thinking it was personal. But then I looked at the other new stories published in the Loving Wives category and they'd mostly experienced the same fate.

I'm probably just looking vent - but seriously, is this the norm?! It just renders the whole process really rather pointless.

Anyway, happy Friday. Stay safe whatever you get up to.

Maude

Xx

So where is the story?
I can’t see any LW stories on your profile

 

[NoTalentHack]

So where is the story?
I can’t see any LW stories on your profile

It's in the LW new section. It can take a day or two before new stories are added to an author's profile page.

 

[lovecraft68]

The end of the day the shame is the category is as valid as any and like any other category has people who go there to enjoy their kinks and fantasies.

There are a lot of good readers and authors there who are plagued by this faction of sorry ass excuses for men and its a shame that nothing is ever done about them despite people giving up reading or publishing there.

Those folks deserve a lot better than the sites 'we don't care a click is a click' attitude along with them allegedly moderating comments but letting some of these extremely unhinged ones through with no problem.

In a perfect world these folks would hang in there and ignore the noise, but its a lot of noise from what in all likelihood is a minority of losers, but they are far more vocal than the supportive folks because those readers are often attacked for saying something positive about a story the lynch mob hated.

That and this faction trying to dictate what is and is not allowed there which is nothing anyone should be giving any credence to.

LW reminds me of a nice neighborhood that has gone downhill over the years thanks to an unsavory crowd.