15 killed in shooting at Uvalde elementary school, active shooter killed, officials say

[jaF0]

Dunmty is on e of those who when it hears about a shooting, the first question becomes ...

'Is the gun OK, was it damaged killing all those people? Is anybody cleaning and polishing and stroking it?'

 

[ll74]

 

[Sean Renaud]

Until and unless we enact strict border control on interstate travel allowing states to decide really much of anything is stupid as fuck.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Yeah I'm not reading that tsunami of bullshit, which is of course the reason why you present it as way more data than can be absorbed in any sort of rational or short period of time. We KNOW with no doubts what sections of the country have the worst violent crime. This is not something that can be debated. We can show with no doubts what parts of the world have the worst violent crime. This again is not open to debate.

Either Americans in general and Americans in the South are uniquely evil OR easy access to firearms causes a problem. Also defensive gun use is still gun use, as are death by police. I know its nice to to try and divorce these things but they are parts of the same whole.

 

[butters]

up to date data, data over extensive periods of time, from reliable, factual sources without the cherry picking and 'interpretation' by 'over my dead body' types, have already been presented. the gun troll is as disingenuous (or stupid) over these matters as he is over covid and anything else the right gets their collective knickers in a twist about. Bothering with his links is no longer worth my time.

 

[dmonty]

Yeah I'm not reading that tsunami of bullshit, which is of course the reason why you present it as way more data than can be absorbed in any sort of rational or short period of time. We KNOW with no doubts what sections of the country have the worst violent crime. This is not something that can be debated. We can show with no doubts what parts of the world have the worst violent crime. This again is not open to debate.

Either Americans in general and Americans in the South are uniquely evil OR easy access to firearms causes a problem. Also defensive gun use is still gun use, as are death by police. I know its nice to to try and divorce these things but they are parts of the same whole.

So you're choosing to ignore the mountains of voluminous empirical data that guns are far more beneficial and save more lives take during criminal usage, just because it "takes too much effort" to read and learn.

So you'd rather remain purposefully and woefully uneducated to the subject and would just stick to the hoplophobic and incorrect talking points that can be absorbed that won't require more than 15 seconds of effort.

 

[Sean Renaud]

So you're choosing to ignore the mountains of voluminous empirical data that guns are far more beneficial and save more lives take during criminal usage, just because it "takes too much effort" to read and learn.

So you'd rather remain purposefully and woefully uneducated to the subject and would just stick to the hoplophobic and incorrect talking points that can be absorbed that won't require more than 15 seconds of effort.

No, I'm choosing to ignore the tactic of putting far too much data, no context at all. ITs a time honored classic by the Right and there is no point in it. We know where you are in the most danger according to the FBI. We know where the mass shooting happen to the point that we don't even check the country. We check the city or state. ITs like if terrorists attack, we know its France. Its always France. If some guy was caught riding an elephant through a parade that was Florida.

 

[jaF0]

So you're choosing to ignore ...

... your load of crap?


Yes.

 

[butters]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/u...pc=U531&cvid=bee16051da864b91a12d2df6639171ed

Security camera images leaked from inside Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, where a mass shooting took place on May 24, reveal police officers were present with high powered rifles and ballistic shields, but stood around for over an hour, as 19 young students and two teachers were slaughtered. The two still images, captured from security cameras in the school, are just the latest pieces of evidence that directly contradict the official narrative provided by police shortly after the massacre.

Last night’s segment from KVUE, which is available on YouTube, includes an image that’s time-stamped from security cameras at 11:52 a.m. local time, as you can see in the screenshot above. You can also see the officers standing still and even just leaning against the wall, something they did for over an hour. The shooter first entered the school at 11:33 a.m., according to the Austin-American Statesman.

The image published by the Texas Tribune does not show the time-stamp but the news outlet reports it was taken at 12:04 p.m. local time. The Tribune reports that, according to the footage, police did not even try to open the doors to the classrooms, contradicting the version of events first told by police. The news outlet notes, “some law enforcement officials are skeptical that the doors were ever locked.”

The Tribune includes a detailed timeline, taken from the security camera footage as well as transcripts of police radio chatter. And after the gunman first fired shots at police, the Tribune reports gunfire could be heard at least three more times, at 11:40 a.m., 11:44 a.m., and 12:21 p.m., local time. The police didn’t budge, despite hearing those shots.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Texas department of public safety breaks the "thin blue line", throws the Uvalde Police Department under the bus: Abject Failure

You know it's bad when your so-called "brothers in arms" desert you.

 

[dmonty]

while its widely known among the 2nd Amendment advocates, and those that have been victims under the mistaken belief that the LEO's are there to protect you....its generally not well publicized that the Law Enforcement has absolute no duty to protect anyone or even to have to show up unless they feel its safe to do so.

LEA's and government, try to keep this out of the public eye and hire PR firms and get local news media to propagandize the lies that they exist "to protect and serve", multiple US Courts including United Staes Supreme Court have all ruled that the Police propaganda slogan "To Protect and Serve" is just an empty platitude, and a very good marketing PR Campaign.

A fact of law and of practical necessity individuals are solely responsible for their own personal safety, and that of their loved ones. Remember, even if the police were obligated to protect us (which they legally and ethically are not required to do), or even if they tried to protect us (which they often don't), most often there wouldn't be time enough for them to do it.

More legal info: Google: "The Public Duty Doctrine."

Police protection must be recognized for what it is, "report takers" after a crime happens, this is there one and only legally required job function. The police arrive on the scene after a crime has been committed (and only if they feel it is safe to do so) so they can collect the facts, write an unbiased report, and file it with headquarters, while the lawyers determine fault in the courtroom using the before mentioned police report. (at best police response times are 5 minutes, national average in the US is typically 15-20 minutes) but more often it's at least 45 minutes if ever)

LEA's & LEO's have absolutely no duty to protect you or your family; there actual job is to just take a report and file it.

Saying it again for those in the backrow police have no legal duty to respond to and/or prevent crime and/or protect anyone. There have BEEN OVER 30 various supreme and state court cases the individual citizen has never won a single case!!

There is only one exception that the Police have an actual duty to protect you it's called “special relationship” with the police clause - just in case you were wondering what would constitute a “special relationship,”
here's an example...

Let’s say that an assailant attacked a NY'er with a knife and he was eventually disarmed and restrained by the victim and the police eventually handcuffed the attacker, and witnesses then decided to beat the attacker. Police would then have a duty to defend him, (yes the knife-wielding attacker), because the officers had taken the attacker into custody and is now their charge.​

If the police officers stood idly by as the attacker was now attacked, officers could be found negligent, because a “special relationship” existed between the police and the murderer as soon as he was detained..

See also (Google the following cases):
[1] Warren v. District of Columbia
[2] DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services
[3] Balistreri v. Pacifica Police Department
[4] Thurman v. City of Torrington,
[5] McKee v. City of Rockwall, Texas
[6] Castle Rock v. Gonzales,
[7] Freeman v. Ferguson
[8] Keane v. City of Chicago
[9] Morgan v. District of Columbia
[10] Calogrides v. City of Mobile
[11] Morris v. Musser
[12] Davidson v. City of Westminster
[13] Chapman v. City of Philadelphia
[14] Weutrich v. Delia
[15] Sapp v. City of Tallahassee
[16] Simpson's Food Fair v. Evansville
[17] Silver v. City of Minneapolis
[18] Bowers v. DeVito
[19] Zinermon v. Burch
[20] South v. Maryland
[21] Hartzler v. City of San Jose
[22] Bell v Thompson
[23] Ford v. Town of Grafton
[24] Lynch v. N.C. Dept. of Justice
[25] Susman v Los Angeles
Then there is NY's special laws - That NY law dictates unconstitutionally that carrying any weapon for self-defense is illegal.
[26] Riss v. City of New York
[27] Lozito v NYPD, CIty of New York

Just another reason to ignore unconstitutional anti-gun laws, never register and never license it and always carry!!

 

[ll74]

What they learned is that more guns doesn't actually mean shit.

Before many guns arrived on the scene, 0 deaths. After - 19 deaths

 

[Dribble]

Pussies need guns to compensate for their lack of dick.

 

[jaF0]

Skool fuzz iz phucked.

 

[butters]

Just another reason to ignore unconstitutional anti-gun laws, never register and never license it and always carry!!

encouraging others to break the laws of the land and carry unlicensed, unregistered arms? really? you need investigating.

 

[ll74]

encouraging others to break the laws of the land and carry unlicensed, unregistered arms? really? you need investigating.

Interestingly enough, they say continually that the law breakers are the problem.

 

[butters]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...sedgntp&cvid=c66c1127244a47d3a2bb78ad72b5b5f9

more sides to the story:

The officers in the hallway of Robb Elementary wanted to get inside classrooms 111 and 112 — immediately. One officer’s daughter was inside. Another officer had gotten a call from his wife, a teacher, who told him she was bleeding to death.

Two closed doors and a wall stood between them and an 18-year-old with an AR-15 who had opened fire on children and teachers inside the connected classrooms. A Halligan bar — an ax-like forcible-entry tool used by firefighters to get through locked doors — was available. Ballistic shields were arriving on the scene. So was plenty of firepower, including at least two rifles. Some officers were itching to move.
One such officer, a special agent at the Texas Department of Public Safety, had arrived around 20 minutes after the shooting started. He immediately asked: Are there still kids in the classrooms?

“If there is, then they just need to go in,” the agent said.
Another officer answered, “It is unknown at this time."

“Whoever is in charge will determine that,” came the reply.
The inaction appeared too much for the special agent. He noted that there were still children in other classrooms within the school who needed to be evacuated.
“Well, there’s kids over here,” he said. “So I’m getting kids out.”

 

[dmonty]

Actually

encouraging others to break the laws of the land and carry unlicensed, unregistered arms? really? you need investigating.

unconstitutional laws are NOT laws, so you and anyone else can not break them.

Unlicensed is the actual legal/constitutional law requirement, any "law" that requires a permit,registration or license is the only violation of law of the land and can be legally ignored.

So I'm advising and advocating that people follow the actual laws, and ignore the unconstitutional [illegal] ones, there is a distinction.

 

[dmonty]

Interestingly enough, they say continually that the law breakers are the problem.

The only law breakers are the oath violators that passed and enforce unconstitutional laws, and any requirements for licensing, registration are the illegal unconstitutional laws.

So interestingly enough the only people advocating to break the law are the ones demanding gun control laws, and licensing and registration. Don't see you calling out the government agents [elected and unelected] criminal actions

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Actually

unconstitutional laws are NOT laws, so you and anyone else can not break them.

Unlicensed is the actual legal/constitutional law requirement, any "law" that requires a permit,registration or license is the only violation of law of the land and can be legally ignored.

So I'm advising and advocating that people follow the actual laws, and ignore the unconstitutional [illegal] ones, there is a distinction.

The party of law and order. Lol

 

[butters]

Actually

unconstitutional laws are NOT laws, so you and anyone else can not break them.

Unlicensed is the actual legal/constitutional law requirement, any "law" that requires a permit,registration or license is the only violation of law of the land and can be legally ignored.

So I'm advising and advocating that people follow the actual laws, and ignore the unconstitutional [illegal] ones, there is a distinction.

quoted for posterity

so the troll's "advising" people only follow the law so far as it agrees with what he deems constitutional, fuck the lawmakers, courts and enforcers. got it.

 

[dmonty]

quoted for posterity

so the troll's "advising" people only follow the law so far as it agrees with what he deems constitutional, fuck the lawmakers, courts and enforcers. got it.

Actually fuck the oath violators and criminals in government.. they aren't lawmakers, they are criminals, this includes the courts and the enforcers and should be held accountable for their crimes as well, they should be treated like all other criminals

 

[ll74]

Sovereign citizen bullshit

 

[dmonty]

The party of law and order. Lol

I'm not a republican.... however the law and order is to the US Constitution, when gun control laws violate the actual laws of the land, the citizens need to ignore the unconstitutional one's.

 

[ll74]

I'm not a republican.... however the law and order is to the US Constitution, when gun control laws violate the actual laws of the land, the citizens need to ignore the unconstitutional one's.

There's a branch of government meant to determine that.

You're not part of that.