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Hi everyone, I’ve been an avid reader of the Literotica forum for years now and have posted a couple of things under a different username but never really got much beyond lurking. I’ve seen a lot of good advice from posters on here and I’m looking for a bit of my own. My dilemma concerns my relationship and for various reasons I don’t really have anyone to talk to about it in my social, family or work circles. I wouldn’t want to put anyone in an awkward position. I can’t get my head around the decision I have to make and some objective opinions are needed.

Sorry if this goes on a bit but I’ll try and give as much information as possible.

I’ve been with my girlfriend for 9 years now and this was my first relationship to last beyond a few months. I’m now in my early 30s, she’s in her late 20s. She’s beautiful, smart and absolutely dotes on me. Our sex life is good and recently she’s taken over the housework and pretty much looks after me in every way. Despite the fact she seems like everything a man could want it still appears that I’m dissatisfied. I’ve never cheated on her but have been tempted a couple of times during our relationship and I developed a liking for pornography, taking every opportunity to watch it on my phone or laptop when she wasn’t around. At the outset of our relationship neither of us was much interested in having children and I always maintained that marriage wasn’t something I saw as particularly important. Until recently we shared the same view on these issues, but now I get comments about marriage and I’ve begun to realise I’d want to have a child some day. She says the thought of having a baby doesn’t appeal to her but she’d have a child for me. That’s not really what I want. It has to be because we both want to do it, not to please me.

Although I described our sex life as good, this isn’t the full story. We have sex at least 5 days per week but there seems to be something missing. We rarely both lose our inhibitions enough to get fully immersed in the experience and occasionally I feel awkward and lose my erection, particularly in positions with her on top. I think eye contact is the problem and it surely shouldn’t be that way. This doesn't happen very often but is always awkward when it does, and I usually pass it off as stress or being tired from work.

Despite the issues I’ve described, we always get along well and I always assumed we’d stay together. We’ve bought a house and talked about things we’d like to do in the future. I guess I always thought I was lucky to have someone like her.

Recently, several things have happened that have made me develop concerns about our relationship. The realization that our next anniversary would be number 10 and I’d be under serious pressure to “make it official” with a proposal, my younger brother has had his first child, a little boy, and started me thinking about wanting my own family and most importantly, I think I’ve fallen in love with someone at work.

She joined my company about a year ago and I instantly fancied her, however I’ve fancied other women before but never felt any concern about it. Once I got to know her my feelings got stronger, and for the last 6 months we’ve been working in close proximity and I’m now completely smitten with her. The problem is, she’s in a long term relationship as well (but never talks about her boyfriend when I’m around), is quite a bit younger than me (early 20s) and although I’m not her immediate manager, I am in a senior position and obviously have responsibilities to the company and staff. I think about her all the time now and I’m sure my girlfriend has noticed something is bothering me despite my attempts to try and hide it. I think it’s probably clear to the other woman that I have feelings for her (I blushed every time we talked for the first few months) and I think there is some reciprocation but have nothing conclusive – just little signs and looks. I always try to behave professionally around her because she’s a great employee and the last thing I want to do is make her feel uncomfortable.

What really made me understand I had a problem was realizing I’d marry her tomorrow given half a chance. I’ve never believed in love, preferring the logical reasoning that if you find someone you like and get along with, that’s as good as it gets, however I now think differently. It definitely isn’t lust that inspires my feelings (alright, perhaps a little!); I just want to be with her and learn everything about her. I seem to have lost all interest in pornography and now I prefer to look at some pictures of her I have on my phone, downloaded from her Facebook page.

Given the lack of confirmation that my feelings would be reciprocated, it would seem the most sensible thing to do would be to find out how she felt about me before making any decisions. Apart from the difficulties it could cause with our working relationship, it would seem so wrong to do this to my girlfriend. If she didn’t have any interest in me and I “settled” for my current partner it wouldn’t be fair on either of us. I’ve been thinking I should leave my girlfriend and then see what happens, since even if nothing developed with the new woman I should find someone else who I can feel so strongly about.

I feel so guilty towards my partner of 9 years, who’s supported me through thick and thin. We’ve now reached a position where my income is enough to support us both so she has been able to focus on starting a career she always wanted. I get upset when I think about how she would handle a break-up and I’m not sure I could bring myself to do that to her. I do love her and wish I could always be there for her but if we split up that wouldn’t be possible. I think the strength of her feelings towards me would make it impossible. On the other hand, I’ve seen how much my head can be turned and I worry I’d end up cheating on her or splitting up further down the line. I would need to buy her out of the house and I’ve worked out I could afford to pay her enough each month to cover her rent and bills if she moved out. It would take at least a couple of years so I’d assuage some of my guilt by allowing her to continue trying to achieve her dream, but I don’t know how she’d handle being on her own. Not very well, I think.

Well if you’re still here, thanks for reading my ramble. It’s been quite therapeutic! What should I do - stop being stupid, appreciate the amazing woman I’m with and not break her heart, or finish the relationship to pursue the woman I think I’m in love with who may or may not feel the same, or someone else entirely.

Anyone who has been in a similar position or even if you just have an opinion, please post. I’ll try to answer any questions and all advice gratefully received!
 
If you've thought breaking up with your gf all the way through to the specific financial aspects, then it's time to let it go. Plus, you want a family (and you're right, you can't do that with someone who doesn't feel the same - it wouldn't be fair to any kid(s) you may have together) and don't want to marry this woman (it IS totally fair for her to expect that--or some sort of formal legal contract--after so many years together). Finally, your gf doesn't deserve to be with someone who is totally into someone else, considers cheating, etc. She deserves to have someone who thinks she's the greatest woman ever and you deserve to be with someone you're happy with for the long-haul.

This is a major life change, much like a divorce, so I'd suggest talking it through with a really good therapist and consulting a lawyer before you share your final decision with your partner. It sounds like your gut is leading you to separating, and that's likely what you should do, but seeking professional counsel and support can only help (just in case, say, it's a case of cold feet or the grass looking greener and/or you need to work on yourself) and it's the wisest thing to do, especially when it comes to the whole house and financial situation.

Deal with the issues with your partner first, period. Then--and only then--should you allow yourself to explore your other options in terms of dating and partnerships. But, as you said, it's a royally bad idea to start something up with the woman you work with. I don't know where you live or what your company's policies on fraternization and sexual harassment are, but getting involved with this woman could end your job, career and even get you sued personally if things go awry.

On a semi-related note, have you ever looked into polyamory? I don't know if it's a good fit for you or not, but if you tend to fall in love with multiple people simultaneously and/or want to have multiple relationships in an above-board/responsible way, then it might be something to explore down the road (i.e. after you've dealt with the gf situation and given yourself more than enough time to heal). It's very difficult and risky in general, and definitely NOT something you'd ever do to "fix" your current relationship or jump into right after, but the rewards can be huge when people who are poly find the right partners and conduct themselves well. Polyamory falls under the "responsible nonmonogamy" heading, which includes things like swinging and polyfidelity. There are lots of good resources and communities online and offline. The most popular book is likely "The Ethical Slut" - you may find it to be an interesting read even if you identify as monogamous.
 
I am not saying to stay with your current girlfriend, because it sounds like ye have some big issues to sort. But the grass isn't always greener. The girl at work is younger and just different. She seems amazing and all because she's different. It doesn't mean she's the perfect fit. Honestly, a relationship formed whilst ye are both in other relationships is probably not going to stand the test of time. (I'm anticipating backlash from the 1% of people for whom that worked) All I am saying is to REALLY consider the reality of what you are saying. The other girl is just different. She doesn't know you or your annoying ass habits.

I've been with my wife for 11 years, married for almost 7. There have been girls that come along and seem great. I experienced a somewhat similar experience. I never cheated or anything like that. But I was tempted. And the other girl seemed perfect. But once I got my head out of the clouds, I realized that girl was batshit crazy and had loads of problems. I would have regretted it greatly. Again, not saying you have to stay with your girl. Just consider that this girl has been with you through thick and thin. But also, do not stay out of guilt. Give her what she needs. And she should do the same, otherwise it doesn't seem like a good relationship.

Sorry for spelling errors... I am on my mobile.
 
You need to start taking the pressure off by having an honest discussion about marriage with your partner instead of just taking the hints and filing them away to scare yourself with when you're alone with your thoughts. Although it is a more serious commitment, consider how long you have already been a couple. Is it really such a huge step or has it just reached that proportion because of fear? If in fact marriage is just a formal determination to live as you have already been living, that's not huge. It's the wedding planning that will probably have you running for the hills. ;)

It's quite possible that the sex five times a week has just become a bit predictable and lacking excitement. If you feel this is an area in your relationship where you (both) need to make more of an effort, you might want to consider that quality of sex is more important than quantity. If one of you isn't stimulated enough in a position, change position. You can always change back later. Take the time and explore new ways to heighten arousal because your needs will surely change over time, just like pornography isn't as interesting now because you have an actual in-the-flesh woman to fantasise about.

Sometimes the way to work through a fantasy is to write it out (hey, this is Literotica, right?) and realise that while it's great at satisfying your needs, it's not so great in real life and in fact, it could get you fired. If your partner isn't likely to be amused by such fantasies in story form, don't leave it where she can find it and attribute it to you.

Loss of erection can have physiological causes, get it checked out, if nothing else being reassured that you're simply overexerted should be a relief. Alternatively, anxiety can kill a boner like nothing else, so consider introducing some time to relax into your weekly schedule.
 
My advice is to be careful,that that the girl you fancy might just be a crush (and yes,the work situation could be awkward,even if technically legal/permissable). I think if I was in your position I would see what wasn't working with the current relationship and see if maybe your attraction to the girl at work isn't in reaction to what isn't working at home rather then being about her (just my opinion, obviously). I would talk to your current girlfriend and see why she for example doesn't want to have kids (giving you a kid to please you would be idiotic), talk to her, tell her you would like to get married and get on the family track and see how she feels. Might be worth finding a couples counselor and have them help you guys find out what is going on...actually, you may want to find one who is a sex specialist as well as a couple's counselor (and take it from me, some couples counselors are as fucked up about sex as a pastoral counselor would be....) to also see what is lacking, why things are so vanilla and how to shake that up:)

Speaking as someone who has been in a very long term relationship that has seen a lot of drama, a lot of highs and far too many lows, lot of issues, lot of heartbreak of one kind or another, etc (24 years married in June, 30 years together in December), these kind of things happen and what you are describing is not unfamiliar (never really got to musing about leaving my relationship/family) but there were a lot of things I thought I was missing, lot of regrets and so forth and had a lot of thoughts about other paths and at times lost sight of my relationship because of such feelings....what I have seen in my own case is most of those would have been mistakes, and from other people I have known in similar boats the ones who did pursue the alternate path often ended up realizing they left for the wrong reasons......which is one of the reasons I counsel caution. The fact that the girl you are interested in is younger also raises questions to me, some of that many simply be because she is younger, you may think she will be more 'alive' or whatever then your current mate, kind of like a woman looking at that pair of sexy high heels or the comfortable shoes that fit just right, and seeing the heels for the flash and the sexiness but forgetting what they feel like after wearing them too long:).

Hopefully this helped, I think the wisest advice is to get the help of a therapist or counselor to figure out you real feelings and maybe see if your current gal, who has been so loyal and faithful, might be the better fit after all:)
 
[Hi everyone, I’ve been an avid reader of the Literotica forum for years now and have posted a couple of things under a different username but never really got much beyond lurking. I’ve seen a lot of good advice from posters on here and I’m looking for a bit of my own. My dilemma concerns my relationship and for various reasons I don’t really have anyone to talk to about it in my social, family or work circles. I wouldn’t want to put anyone in an awkward position. I can’t get my head around the decision I have to make and some objective opinions are needed.]

-No-one's opinion is objective. I can perhaps try and give another perspective. Perhaps some statements/questions that may make some sense I hope.

-You like literotica, so it's reasonable to assume you have a good understanding of what turns you on, or some ideas as to what turns you on.
-Do you really feel like you have to make a decision? Or is there a possibility that things could change in your current relationship?

[I’ve been with my girlfriend for 9 years now and this was my first relationship to last beyond a few months]


-It's reasonable to assume that you've obviously cultivated some decent relationship skills to be together for that long. So the relationship has substance...(this is a reasonable assumption i think)

[I’m now in my early 30s, she’s in her late 20s. She’s beautiful, smart and absolutely dotes on me. Our sex life is good and recently she’s taken over the housework and pretty much looks after me in every way. Despite the fact she seems like everything a man could want it still appears that I’m dissatisfied].

-Do you mean on the whole your sex life is good?
-The things you mention...the housework, being looked after...do YOU really want those things? or is it 'by the by'?
-Are you sexually attracted to her?
-It appears you're dissatisfied? To me I take that to mean that you are and are not willing to admit it to yourself, or you don't really know whether you are dissatisfied or not.

[I’ve never cheated on her]

-good

[but have been tempted a couple of times during our relationship]

-this is natural - you're a dude :)

[and I developed a liking for pornography, taking every opportunity to watch it on my phone or laptop when she wasn’t around]


-again the development in liking porn is quite natural, but the fact that you say you take every opportunity to watch when she's not around is suggestive...what are your partner's attitudes to porn?

[At the outset of our relationship neither of us was much interested in having children and I always maintained that marriage wasn’t something I saw as particularly important. Until recently we shared the same view on these issues, but now I get comments about marriage and I’ve begun to realise I’d want to have a child some day]


-this is a good thing :)

[She says the thought of having a baby doesn’t appeal to her but she’d have a child for me. That’s not really what I want. It has to be because we both want to do it, not to please me].


- On the surface, of course you don't want someone to have a kid just to please you. But that's a very layered statement you just made and quite open to interpretation. Some women grow into being a mother...perhaps if i may offer a suggestion/question...what is she like around young children? does she dote on them/is she disinterested etc? could be worth your while observing and probing.

[Although I described our sex life as good, this isn’t the full story. We have sex at least 5 days per week]

-As others have mentioned, quantity is no measure of a good sex life...

[but there seems to be something missing. We rarely both lose our inhibitions enough to get fully immersed in the experience]


-what do you mean by inhibitions?
-do you have trouble becoming present in the moment?

[and occasionally I feel awkward and lose my erection, particularly in positions with her on top]


- sounds physiological - kegels for you!
-anxiety will do that to erections ;)

[I think eye contact is the problem and it surely shouldn’t be that way]


-very interesting statement you just made. firstly, you perceive that there's a problem...is there?
-secondly, if both of you are struggling to go with the flow of sex, ie. be present, then eye contact is just another way of drawing you out of the experience...

[This doesn't happen very often but is always awkward when it does, and I usually pass it off as stress or being tired from work].


- I'd just be honest with your gf about this one mate - why pass it off? stress of a kind it could well be but from work or fatigue? not so sure.


[Despite the issues I’ve described, we always get along well and I always assumed we’d stay together. We’ve bought a house and talked about things we’d like to do in the future. I guess I always thought I was lucky to have someone like her.]


- Perhaps you still are ;)
-this is a good thing.

[Recently, several things have happened that have made me develop concerns about our relationship. The realization that our next anniversary would be number 10 and I’d be under serious pressure to “make it official” with a proposal]


-From who? her? and if not her, does it really matter?

[my younger brother has had his first child, a little boy, and started me thinking about wanting my own family]


-so you do want kids, that should be well in the open yeah?

[and most importantly, I think I’ve fallen in love with someone at work.
She joined my company about a year ago and I instantly fancied her, however I’ve fancied other women before but never felt any concern about it. Once I got to know her my feelings got stronger, and for the last 6 months we’ve been working in close proximity and I’m now completely smitten with her. The problem is, she’s in a long term relationship as well (but never talks about her boyfriend when I’m around), is quite a bit younger than me (early 20s) and although I’m not her immediate manager, I am in a senior position and obviously have responsibilities to the company and staff. I think about her all the time now and I’m sure my girlfriend has noticed something is bothering me despite my attempts to try and hide it. I think it’s probably clear to the other woman that I have feelings for her (I blushed every time we talked for the first few months) and I think there is some reciprocation but have nothing conclusive – just little signs and looks. I always try to behave professionally around her because she’s a great employee and the last thing I want to do is make her feel uncomfortable.]


-you said you 'think' you've fallen in love. have you? or are you not sure? this is quite the critical question.

[What really made me understand I had a problem was realizing I’d marry her tomorrow given half a chance. I’ve never believed in love, preferring the logical reasoning that if you find someone you like and get along with, that’s as good as it gets, however I now think differently. It definitely isn’t lust that inspires my feelings (alright, perhaps a little!); I just want to be with her and learn everything about her. I seem to have lost all interest in pornography and now I prefer to look at some pictures of her I have on my phone, downloaded from her Facebook page].


- Just for the record, I don't think you have a problem.
- As others have mentioned, things can never be what they seem. I would tread very carefully here.
-What signs does she give? and could any of these signs be interpreted by a boss-subordinate dynamic?

[Given the lack of confirmation that my feelings would be reciprocated, it would seem the most sensible thing to do would be to find out how she felt about me before making any decisions. Apart from the difficulties it could cause with our working relationship, it would seem so wrong to do this to my girlfriend]

- Well that would depend on how you go about it. Obviously making a pass at your co-worker would be the bad way. A frank conversation along the lines of, 'Listen, this may seem weird but I've been getting these strange signals coming from you...do you have feelings for me? (or something along those lines) should probably confirm what she thinks regardless of her verbal response.

[If she didn’t have any interest in me and I “settled” for my current partner it wouldn’t be fair on either of us. I’ve been thinking I should leave my girlfriend and then see what happens, since even if nothing developed with the new woman I should find someone else who I can feel so strongly about.]


-Did you ever feel this way strongly about your current gf? And if you can't remember, a conversation with her/friends/family about when you first were in love could go a long way

[I feel so guilty towards my partner of 9 years, who’s supported me through thick and thin. We’ve now reached a position where my income is enough to support us both so she has been able to focus on starting a career she always wanted. I get upset when I think about how she would handle a break-up and I’m not sure I could bring myself to do that to her. I do love her and wish I could always be there for her but if we split up that wouldn’t be possible]


-So you do have feelings for her
-of course that's fair to assume if you break up

[I’ve seen how much my head can be turned and I worry I’d end up cheating on her or splitting up further down the line]


-This is natural for every guy. It's how you act on those impulses that matters, and what you two find acceptable and unacceptable

[I would need to buy her out of the house and I’ve worked out I could afford to pay her enough each month to cover her rent and bills if she moved out. It would take at least a couple of years so I’d assuage some of my guilt by allowing her to continue trying to achieve her dream, but I don’t know how she’d handle being on her own. Not very well, I think.]


-A somewhat worrying statement. I suppose the question here is, have you already made your decision and are trying to understand why you've made it by posting here, or are you just envisioning a worst case scenario outcome? I can't be sure by reading your post.

[Well if you’re still here, thanks for reading my ramble]


-lol you're welcome

[It’s been quite therapeutic!]


-this tells me you need to be getting things off your chest more, and if you can't find friends irl to have these conversations with, come here more often and/or look for role models of healthy relationships that you aspire to.

[What should I do - stop being stupid, appreciate the amazing woman I’m with and not break her heart, or finish the relationship to pursue the woman I think I’m in love with who may or may not feel the same, or someone else entirely.]


-So you think she's amazing.
-This is going to be your decision bud.

A few other notes/questions and suggestions perhaps:

-as others have mentioned, the grass is definitely not always greener. things you take for granted in your partner may totally not be present in the other woman (she may be a shitty communicator - quite the possibility at that age, she may be a slob, she may not want kids, she could have a drug habit you don't know about, she could have a std that you don't want to catch!)

-how closely does your sex resemble that which turns you on? if you read the stories on lit, what types of stories turn you on?

-often we men can be surprisingly melodramatic, especially if things aren't quite right in the sex department. if your sex life was perfect, would you even consider the other woman? what would you do with your relationship if your sex life was amazing, fulfilling, powerful, awesome?

-it's good that all of this is happening to you.

-a glass of red wine for bf and gf at 7am on an empty stomach followed by sex is a good way of short-circuiting inhibitions...

-make sure everything is right with your tackle, no matter what you do in your relationship. i recommend kegel exercises, and eating almonds and brazil nuts daily.

-if eye contact is a problem, blindfolding/darkness can help a lot, plus change things up a bit.

-have sex a little less perhaps...until you're happy with how things are.

-take up meditation or something else that trains mindfulness, and research "abreaction"

-i don't know whether you have a strong relationship with your father or have fatherly figures in your life but if you do you may be surprised at how stoic they can be in providing good advice.

-the fact that you've also been with your gf for 9 years at the age you are also suggests that what you're feeling for this other woman could well be infatuation, and that you yourself don't know what it means, as you're experiencing it properly for the very first time.

hope this helps :)
 
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the more i read your post, the more i think infatuation is a possibility. If I would suggest anything, I would fix the sexual issues first, which aren't really issues anyway, and see how you feel after that. All the best buddy. would love to hear your responses to the questions i asked :)
 
What really made me understand I had a problem was realizing I’d marry her tomorrow given half a chance. I’ve never believed in love, preferring the logical reasoning that if you find someone you like and get along with, that’s as good as it gets, however I now think differently. It definitely isn’t lust that inspires my feelings (alright, perhaps a little!); I just want to be with her and learn everything about her.

I don't have an easy answer for you, just a caution: what you're describing sounds a lot like a crush (aka "the pink fluffy stupids"). It feels lovely and it's a powerful way to begin a relationship - assuming the other person feels the same way - but it doesn't last forever.

After a year or two, the glamour wears off and you have to put in work to maintain the relationship... and that's when you find out whether the other person is willing to do the same.
 
Congratulations! Yours is the very first "rambling" post I ever got all of the way through. First, to cut to the chase, I would highly recommend talking to this girl at work and just laying it out on the line, just as you did here. I think you can do it in a way where you can get an answer to your quandry without it interfering with your work relationship. Then you'll know if that option is realistic or not. If it is actually a possibility then you will be like everyone else, not knowing if it will work out long term or not. Your rambling post had many, many red flags regarding your present relationship. It seems like your biggest dilemma there is your fear of hurting her and your guilt for doing so. It really sucks to be hurt or to have to hurt someone else but, unfortunately, that is part of life. Just about everyone has been hurt and just about everyone has hurt somebody else so you are not going to breaking new ground here, humantity wise. I think it was Erika who basically said that you aren't doing her any favors by staying in a relationship that seems to have run it's course and she was right. Sometimes you just have to make the tough choices and it can really suck. Good luck and let us know what happens.
 
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Congratulations! Yours is the very first "rambling" post I ever got all of the way through. First, to cut to the chase, I would highly recommend talking to this girl at work and just laying it out on the line, just as you did here. I think you can do it in a way where you can get an answer to your quandry without it interfering with your work relationship. Then you'll know if that option is realistic or not. If it is actually a possibility then you will be like everyone else, not knowing if it will work out long term or not. Your rambling post had many, many red flags regarding your present relationship. It seems like your biggest dilemma there is your fear of hurting her and your guilt for doing so. It really sucks to be hurt or to have to hurt someone else but, unfortunately, that is part of life. Just about everyone has been hurt and just about everyone has hurt somebody else so you are not going to breaking new ground here, humantity wise. I think it was Erika who basically said that you aren't doing her any favors by staying in a relationship that seems to have run it's course and she was right. Sometimes you just have to make the tough choices and it can really suck. Good luck and let us know what happens.

I agree with what you say, but without any clarification on what he's saying, anything either of us have to say is potentially just speculation. Do you agree?
 
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