AI or LLM

[old_prof]

I wrote "...authoritative while it's pumping out bullshit," and then thought of "Cliff”, the barfly postal worker who hung out at Cheers. That's the ticket. AI is Cliff.

My standard description of LLM's for several years has been MAAS -- Mansplaining as a service.

 

[MillieDynamite]

"That artist got $10,000 for his last strange painting. I know, because the envelope accidentally passed in front of a 2,000-watt bulb, I could see the check plain as day."

I wrote "...authoritative while it's pumping out bullshit," and then thought of "Cliff”, the barfly postal worker who hung out at Cheers. That's the ticket. AI is Cliff.

 

[ShelbyDawn57]

I wrote "...authoritative while it's pumping out bullshit," and then thought of "Cliff”, the barfly postal worker who hung out at Cheers. That's the ticket. AI is Cliff.

Nah, Watson won Jeopardy. Cliff bet everything and lost.

 

[Dodola]

AI=artificial ingredients

 

[randomletters42]

"Don't" is right.

AI/LLM is prohibited on LitE, and if detected (some will assert "over-detected"), your story(ies) will be rejected. Even using AI-based tools such as Grammerly and the writing assistant apparently incorporated in the current MSWord to "help" your copy will leave tracks that are detectable as AI.

Write? Absolutely. Use your own words. Just don't get sucked into the concept that AI might do a better job. It doesn't.

Hm. I'm surprised it's not just a tag you must include.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Hm. I'm surprised it's not just a tag you must include.

The site is explicit - it wants nothing to do with AI assisted or generated content for stories published here.

 

[EmilyMiller]

Hm. I'm surprised it's not just a tag you must include.

Why necro a random thread to make a random comment contrary to site policy and the opinion of the vast majority here?

 

[Bramblethorn]

Nah, Watson won Jeopardy. Cliff bet everything and lost.

Did he lose $3 billion though?

In 2022, IBM divested and spun-off their Watson Health division into Merative, which was sold to Francisco Partners, an American private equity firm. The division cost $4 billion to develop but was sold for $1 billion. By 2023, Watson resulted in IBM losing 10% of its stock value, costing four times more than what it brought to the company and resulting in mass layoffs.

 

[randomletters42]

Why necro a random thread to make a random comment contrary to site policy and the opinion of the vast majority here?

I searched for the most relevant thread and this is what I found. I did not know (nor particularly care) that the majority feel otherwise. I was *personally* surprised of this policy, and don't feel bad about expressing that fact? Presumably the original poster would have been/was as well. That's fine.

 

[EmilyMiller]

I searched for the most relevant thread and this is what I found. I did not know (nor particularly care) that the majority feel otherwise. I was *personally* surprised of this policy, and don't feel bad about expressive that fact? Presumably the original poster would have been/was as well.

You are a supporter of using genAI to write?

 

[randomletters42]

You are a supporter of using genAI to write?

Specifically in the case it is writing out dialog or whole scenes: I think its important to disclaim it's use in a way obvious to the reader before they read it. But most other ways of using an LLM, I don't have any issue or even feel it has to be disclosed either. Examples: Suggest edits in the same way a human editor would (check for duplicate phrases, check basic grammer and punctuation, check for general awkward sentences, check for plot holes, help identify where else needs to be edited when I have changed some plot point or character detail). Also, brainstorming ideas of any variety; whether that is ensuring characters are unique or to give me 20 ideas to get past some arbitrary writers block moment.

Edit/Note: I have never actually used ai in any way at this point for creative writing, nor hardly even done creative writing itself. I'm basically working myself up to do some actual writing. But that's how I feel as a reader, what I'd be ok or not ok with.

 

[Voboy]

Specifically in the case it is writing out dialog or whole scenes: I think its important to disclaim it's use in a way obvious to the reader before they read it. But most other ways of using an LLM, I don't have any issue or even feel it has to be disclosed either. Examples: Suggest edits in the same way a human editor would (check for duplicate phrases, check basic grammer and punctuation, check for general awkward sentences, check for plot holes, help identify where else needs to be edited when I have changed some plot point or character detail). Also, brainstorming ideas of any variety; whether that is ensuring characters are unique or to give me 20 ideas to get past some arbitrary writers block moment.

Edit/Note: I have never actually used ai in any way at this point for creative writing, nor hardly even done creative writing itself. I'm basically working myself up to do some actual writing. But that's how I feel as a reader, what I'd be ok or not ok with.

...your first day on Lit, is it?

Nothing you've posted here is what the site owners agree with. Nothing.

 

[randomletters42]

...your first day on Lit, is it?

Nothing you've posted here is what the site owners agree with. Nothing.

So I gather. I've had an account for a long time. But never been a writer and only joined forums recently–since I've been thinking of trying to write. I feel like my opinion as expressed was pretty reasonable though, no? Sure, it doesn't matter because as far as I can tell there is no actual dev team doing site development or even so much as a community manager reading the forums (surprising to me, since for a site that gets it's content provided for free, finding volunteer developers or mods would surely not be that hard).

 

[Bramblethorn]

or even so much as a community manager reading the forums (surprising to me, since for a site that gets it's content provided for free, finding volunteer developers or mods would surely not be that hard).

 

[Voboy]

I feel like my opinion as expressed was pretty reasonable though, no?

Doesn't matter. The site owners strongly and unequivocally disagree with it.

Feel free to begin writing here; anyone here in the AH would be happy to answer any questions you might have, and many might even offer to beta-read for you. But if you're planning on using AI in any capacity, you really are better off posting your stories somewhere else.

 

[randomletters42]

Doesn't matter. The site owners strongly and unequivocally disagree with it.

Feel free to begin writing here; anyone here in the AH would be happy to answer any questions you might have, and many might even offer to beta-read for you. But if you're planning on using AI in any capacity, you really are better off posting your stories somewhere else.

I'll definitely try to take someone up on that offer to proof read if I get that far, and good to have the warning in advance I suppose.

 

[EmilyMiller]

So I gather. I've had an account for a long time. But never been a writer and only joined forums recently–since I've been thinking of trying to write. I feel like my opinion as expressed was pretty reasonable though, no? Sure, it doesn't matter because as far as I can tell there is no actual dev team doing site development or even so much as a community manager reading the forums (surprising to me, since for a site that gets it's content provided for free, finding volunteer developers or mods would surely not be that hard).

People who work hard at their art are getting their stories rejected because other people are submitting AI-written slop and claiming it as their own. Imagine the frustration of spending weeks on a story, all your own effort, and then getting erroneously flagged as having used AI (all AI checkers are very fallible). The reason these people suffer is because others think is it’s OK to be lazy and outsource actual writing to a statistical inference machine.

 

[anthrodisiac]

But never been a writer and only joined forums recently–since I've been thinking of trying to write.

Ignoring the rest of it, since you're bumping up against terms and conditions, which state that AI can't be used for writing the story. There are plenty of threads and claarifications about what that is, if you have any questions, they've probably already been answered with regards to that. The AI stuff can get a bit contentious here, so you're better off focusing your questions on writing itself, not on your opinions regarding the use of AI in writing (since T&C forbid it, it's site policy, whether or not you agree with it, them's the rules).

That said, it's awesome that you decided to try your hand at writing! There are tons of threads detailing advice that might be helpful for you. A place to discuss the craft of writing: tricks, philosophies, styles has tons of good advice from writers across the spectrum, of varying levels of skill and length of time writing. If you have specific questions, there are plenty of people here happy to help. Writing isn't easy, but it's rewarding to craft something yourself and see it come to fruition.

I think the first bit of advice is not to be too hard on yourself or fret too much for your first story. Just write what you want to write, the story and characters that appeal to you, whatever kinks (or not) you want to include. Write something that you would want to read. Chances are, other people will want to read it, too. Understand that it might not be literary gold, but that's okay. It takes time to build your craft and the muscles necessary to write well. But you keep applying yourself, keep writing, be open to growth and feedback, and you'll be on the right track.

Good luck. Let us know how it goes, and if you have questions about writing craft or the site or whatever, you know where to find us

 

[ElectricBlue]

Edit/Note: I have never actually used ai in any way at this point for creative writing, nor hardly even done creative writing itself. I'm basically working myself up to do some actual writing. But that's how I feel as a reader, what I'd be ok or not ok with.

Hopefully you'll change your mind once you realise that: a) AI assisted content is absolutely terrible for fiction - unless you want your stories to read like the blandest, cliched, policy-wonk type report you could ever imagine; and b) have the satisfaction as a writer of saying, "Yes, this is all my own work."

And along the writer's journey, having a ponder about the issues associated with training LLM, which in essence, is to rip the guts out of the intellectual property of writers, with no permission asked, no reimbursement given. Theft, in other words. Most writers don't like this, YMMV.

 

[randomletters42]

People who work hard at their art are getting their stories rejected because other people are submitting AI-written slop and claiming of as their own. Imagine the frustration of spending weeks on a story, all your own effort, and then getting erroneously flagged as having used AI (all AI checkers are very fallible). The reason these people suffer is because others think is it’s OK to be lazy and outsource actual writing to a statistical inference machine.

If the ai detector just auto-added a tag or something similar but didn't block posting .. For the people who want to never see anything with that tag, make it a setting, except if its a post by an author you already follow then you still see it. Everyone wins? If one of your stories gets false flagged its not the end of the world and you can still appeal however you do already.

 

[Voboy]

For the people who want to never see anything with that tag, make it a setting, except if its a post by an author you already follow then you still see it. Everyone wins?

Well, no. Because, for the umpteenth time, the site owners disagree with you.

Please, stop. Everyone who's been here longer than a day is thoroughly sick of having LLMs foisted on us by mavericks who bravely think they can push new frontiers of AI shit. You cannot. Not here. Put it out of your mind. Literotica is not a place that agrees with your ideas and interpretations.

I don't know of any way to tell you more directly. Just stop.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Specifically in the case it is writing out dialog or whole scenes: I think its important to disclaim it's use in a way obvious to the reader before they read it. But most other ways of using an LLM, I don't have any issue or even feel it has to be disclosed either. Examples: Suggest edits in the same way a human editor would (check for duplicate phrases, check basic grammer and punctuation, check for general awkward sentences, check for plot holes, help identify where else needs to be edited when I have changed some plot point or character detail).

LLMs can do some of those things, but I'd be extremely skeptical of their ability to identify plot holes.

Edit/Note: I have never actually used ai in any way at this point for creative writing, nor hardly even done creative writing itself. I'm basically working myself up to do some actual writing. But that's how I feel as a reader, what I'd be ok or not ok with.

I would really strongly encourage you not to depend on LLMs when you're just starting out. You will learn far more from writing your own prose, no matter how awkward, than by farming the work out.

A lot of would-be authors fall into a trap of thinking that writing is all about having Great Ideas, and all the rest of it, turning those ideas into words on the page, is drudge work that can be farmed off to an LLM or some ghostwriter on Fiverr.

But in reality, having a great premise is maybe 10% of what's needed for a great story. The other 90% of the craft lies in the "drudge work" those guys don't want to do or even to think about, and if you get in the habit of automating it away you're going to stunt your development as a writer.

 

[old_prof]

If the ai detector just auto-added a tag or something similar but didn't block posting .. For the people who want to never see anything with that tag, make it a setting, except if its a post by an author you already follow then you still see it. Everyone wins? If one of your stories gets false flagged its not the end of the world and you can still appeal whoever you do already.

There are sites that allow AI generated work as long as it is tagged as such. Readers are free to go to one or the other (or both).
Think of it like you can go to an all-organic market or a general supermarket that some stuff is labeled as organic.
If you want to sell things in the organic market, it better be organic.
In this case, the consumers seem to prefer the organic market, because this is where the largest viewership is. That means the consumers don't have to check the label (or the tags).

 

[MrPixel]

...(check for duplicate phrases, check basic grammer and punctuation, check for general awkward sentences, check for plot holes, help identify where else needs to be edited when I have changed some plot point or character detail)...

In other words, have AI rewrite your work. That's exactly what's prohibited here. Well, other than feeding a ChatGPT (or whatever) a handful of prompts and having it spew prose.

If the ai detector just auto-added a tag or something similar but didn't block posting .. For the people who want to never see anything with that tag, make it a setting, except if its a post by an author you already follow then you still see it. Everyone wins? If one of your stories gets false flagged its not the end of the world and you can still appeal whoever you do already.

Keep pushing back all you want, at this point in time the policy on this site is "No AI." You're not going to change that by sheer will (or obstinance). And if you haven't figured it out by now, you are talking to the wrong audience.

You need to find a site that allows AI if that's your objective. It's not Literotica.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

So I gather. I've had an account for a long time. But never been a writer and only joined forums recently–

Five years ago, July '21 :

Idea...

Far future era biology student forced to observe alien mating practices (as lab work). Male protagonist has crush on female teacher (develops slowly, very slowly). While they are surrounded by (alien) sex on a daily basis, he is essentially disgusted (as is the reader) while she is extremely clinical (perhaps scientifically aroused). Each episode could be a new planet/species, with an emphasis on the most absolutely gross thing you can imagine (I mean, the aliens love it, but...) ideally with some reparte between the main characters and an ever escalating sexual tension. Long term themes: why does sex exist? Dispite the disparate forms, what is the common purpose? Likewise, are there common sexual pitfalls? Is this meaningful or overthinking it? Are human sentiments trustworthy?

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