Alabama indites Rethuglicans, Whut?

[TontoedRanger]

Especially since illegals can't get the vote and no matter of Trumpette lies have shown that they have or could.

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-commissions-huntington-park-20150802-story.html

https://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/article210184089.html

 

[TontoedRanger]

I like the history lessons the rwcj keeps mangling about racism

Lets say they are 100 percent right,hell, lets go further and say prior to 20 years ago every single Democrat was a card carrying nazi

that doesnt change which party is now the party of racists

As far back as over 100 years?

https://www.sebgorka.com/the-disturbing-history-of-racism-in-the-democratic-party/

http://russp.us/racism.htm

https://www.quora.com/Was-the-Democratic-Party-pro-slavery-before-and-during-the-Civil-War

 

[YDB95]

"I'll ask again: do you know what Doug Jones was best known for before he was elected to the Senate? A simple yes or no will do, even."

Yes, I do. Doug Jones is a member of the very same political party that once used the Ku Kux Klan as its militant arm in Alabama and throughout the American south - from the end of the U.S. Civil War all the way up until the Civil Rights era - much in the same way that the Democratic Party uses masked Antifa protesters today. When the Democratic Party lost its political strangehold on the American south, so did the KKK. Former high-ranking Klan officer Robert Byrd (D-WV) renounced his racist past and even cast the deciding vote to pass ObamaCare, moving President Obama to deliver the eulogy at Byrd's 2010 funeral. But in November of that same year, Byrd & Obama's party STILL lost 63-House & 6-Senate seats due to the immense unpopularity of that deeply flawed legislation!

In other words, you either don't know what Jones was known for before he became a senator, or you're bending over backwards to avoid acknowledging it because you know it would utterly destroy your argument here. Given your penchant for spouting election results with absolutely no context whatsoever, I'm guessing you probably really don't know. Which explains a lot.

 

[TontoedRanger]

You're right. He was the gov. of AL. I was probably thinking of Lester Maddox. All those racist southern Dems. are alike to me. I was just mildly disagreeing with Dumpington, who said the South stopped being racist in 1964.

Yes. You were thinking of Lester Maddox. No harm, no foul.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "In other words, you either don't know what Jones was known for before he became a senator, or you're bending over backwards to avoid acknowledging it..."

I lived in Alabama for eighteen years, and Doug Jones is NOT a household name in that state. I'm just trying to be honest with you. The guy is going to get seriously CLOBBERED in November of 2020 should he try to run for re-election. And yes, if Barack & Michelle and Alyssa Milano all come south to campaign for him, he'll get clobbered even WORSE!

TontoedRanger writes: "Yes. You were thinking of Lester Maddox. No harm, no foul."

Lester was yet another Democratic Party governor in the American south, from back in the days when that segregationist party still dominated this region. Today, the segregationists, the Democrats, & the Ku Kux Klan no longer hold significant power ANYWHERE in this region of our nation.

 

[YDB95]

YDB95 writes: "In other words, you either don't know what Jones was known for before he became a senator, or you're bending over backwards to avoid acknowledging it..."

I lived in Alabama for eighteen years, and Doug Jones is NOT a household name in that state. I'm just trying to be honest with you. The guy is going to get seriously CLOBBERED in November of 2020 should he try to run for re-election. And yes, if Barack & Michelle and Alyssa Milano all come south to campaign for him, he'll get clobbered even WORSE!

He doesn't need to be a household name for you to be aware of his most notable accomplishment before getting elected to the Senate. It was in the national news when it happened, and again when he was running for Senate. That you don't know speaks volumes about your own attitude, as does your apparent belief that the Democrats are still somehow linked to the Klan.

And I never denied that he was a longshot for re-election. But then, not too many people - including me - thought he'd win last time.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "He doesn't need to be a household name for you to be aware of his most notable accomplishment before getting elected to the Senate. It was in the national news when it happened, and again when he was running for Senate. That you don't know speaks volumes about your own attitude, as does your apparent belief that the Democrats are still somehow linked to the Klan."

The Ku Kux Klan NEVER worked hand-in-hand with the Republican Party - NEVER! The Klan was ONLY politically powerful in the American south back when the Democratic Party was the dominant party in this region. Today the Republican Party dominates the south, and the KKK is all-but-nonexistent!

That's GOOD that Doug Jones - like former U.S. Senator Robert Byrd - abandoned all ties to the Ku Kux Klan. Senator Byrd, a lifetime Democrat from West Virginia, actually apologized for his career in the KKK, where he rose to the high rank of Exalted Cyclops before later casting the deciding senate vote to pass the Affordable Care Act in 2009, an action which led to President Obama delivering the eulogy at his funeral!

"And I never denied that he was a longshot for re-election. But then, not too many people - including me - thought he'd win last time."

Exactly right! Just as I never expected Republican Scott Brown to win Ted Kennedy's old U.S. Senate seat in ultra-liberal Massachusetts, but he DID! But as you yourself have pointed out, winning a seat and holding it are two entirely different things! Doug Jones made it painfully clear with his Kavanaugh confirmation vote that he does what Chuck Schumer tells him to do, and that does NOT play well in conservative Alabama!

 

[YDB95]

The Ku Kux Klan NEVER worked hand-in-hand with the Republican Party - NEVER!

Not unless you count that time David Duke was elected to the Louisiana state legislature, or when he got the Republican nomination for governor. Also, the Republican governor of Indiana in the 1920s, Edward Jackson was most definitely involved with the Klan. He wasn't (or may not have been) a member, but he openly associated with them.

Now, yes, it is true that in the early and mid-20th century, a lot of Southern Democratic politicians were Klan members. But what you have repeatedly implied here isn't true: the Klan and the Democratic party were never directly associated in any way. (Yeah, I know you didn't actually quite say that. That's how the Southern Strategy works, after all.) What you are trying so very, very hard to ignore is that in the 1960s, the Democrats as a whole embraced civil rights - and the Republicans picked up the mantle of racism where the Dems had shed it. That's why when Barry Goldwater carried only six states in 1964, five of them were in the Deep South (Arizona was the 6th). The fact of the matter is, the party of choice for racists since the 1960s has been the Republicans.

Today the Republican Party dominates the south, and the KKK is all-but-nonexistent!

Not so: it's been gaining membership at a record rate since Trump was elected. I could also give a list too long to complete here of Southern Republicans who've made breathtakingly racist comments, such as Jeff Sessions, Trent Lott, Steve Scalise, Cindy Hyde-Smith, Newt Gingrich, Jesse Helms...you get the idea.

That's GOOD that Doug Jones - like former U.S. Senator Robert Byrd - abandoned all ties to the Ku Kux Klan.

Seriously, Dumpington, stop embarrassing yourself and google Doug Jones already. You don't have to like the guy, but you don't even know what a fool you're making of yourself turning a blind eye to his record.

"And I never denied that he was a longshot for re-election. But then, not too many people - including me - thought he'd win last time."

Exactly right! Just as I never expected Republican Scott Brown to win Ted Kennedy's old U.S. Senate seat in ultra-liberal Massachusetts, but he DID! But as you yourself have pointed out, winning a seat and holding it are two entirely different things! Doug Jones made it painfully clear with his Kavanaugh confirmation vote that he does what Chuck Schumer tells him to do, and that does NOT play well in conservative Alabama!

It most likely does pay well with the vast majority of the people who voted for him. If he wants to have any chance at re-election, he needs to keep their support. Will that be enough? If I had to guess I'd say no...but he did win the last election, and the people who voted for him did so knowing he was a moderate Democrat. They didn't want a right-winger, or at least they were willing to tolerate someone who wasn't.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB96 writes: "Not unless you count that time David Duke was elected to the Louisiana state legislature, or when he got the Republican nomination for governor."

Yes, and the national Republican Party AND the Republican Party of Louisiana both OPPOSED David Duke's nomination and steadfastly REFUSED to support his candidacy in any way, even helping the crooked Democratic Party candidate to win! That's how Republicans & Democrats in the south were DIFFERENT from one another! The Democratic Party in southern states was OFFICIALLY segregationist until after the mid-sixties!

"What you are trying so very, very hard to ignore is that in the 1960s, the Democrats as a whole embraced civil rights - and the Republicans picked up the mantle of racism..."

NO, the Republican Party in the south NEVER picked-up "the mantle of racism!" If that bit of gross silliness were true, the KKK would have been embraced by the G.O.P. and continued to operate under Republican control (as they had operated for decades under the Democrats!) No, Republicans in the U.S. Senate were instrumental in LBJ passing his Civil Rights Acts of '64 & '65!

YDB95 writes (about the Ku Kux Klan): "Not so: it's been gaining membership at a record rate since Trump was elected."

Baloney! The KKK in the south today is completely powerless. They have ZERO SUPPORT from the many elected Republican governors, senators, & state legislators throughout the region! Democrats only WISH that Klansmen like former U.S. Senator Robert Byrd still lived and operated behind the scenes like they'd been doing in the hundred years following reconstruction!

"Seriously, Dumpington, stop embarrassing yourself and google Doug Jones already. You don't have to like the guy..."

Doug Jones in a WONDERFUL man! But there's a bit of prison terminology that accurately describes him as a: "Dead man walking!" In November of 2020 poor wonderful Doug is going to be completely humiliated at the polls! You really need to hear this from ME before you hear Rachel Maddow reporting on MSNBC that Doug Jones just might be re-elected (because that's NEVER happening!)

"If he wants to have any chance at re-election, he needs to keep their support. Will that be enough? If I had to guess I'd say no...but he did win the last election..."

Yes, Doug Jones did win the LAST election... just as Scott Brown DID win Ted Kennedy's U.S. Senate seat in 2010, and if you're trying to compare that with Jones winning in Alabama I would say that's a VALID COMPARISON!

 

[YDB95]

YDB96 writes: "Not unless you count that time David Duke was elected to the Louisiana state legislature, or when he got the Republican nomination for governor."

Yes, and the national Republican Party AND the Republican Party of Louisiana both OPPOSED David Duke's nomination and steadfastly REFUSED to support his candidacy in any way, even helping the crooked Democratic Party candidate to win! That's how Republicans & Democrats in the south were DIFFERENT from one another! The Democratic Party in southern states was OFFICIALLY segregationist until after the mid-sixties!

Erm, no, not after the mid-sixties. Most segregationist Democrats either changed their tune or became Republicans. (And yes, that includes Sen. Byrd, who became a dependable vote FOR civil rights, and who always acknowledged that he deserved the mark on his record that was his past with the Klan.
And while Duke's association with the Klan meant the Republicans distanced themselves from him, the fact is that his positions on most issues were indistinguishable from any other right-wing Republican, especially on civil rights. That was the era of Willie Horton and "civil rights = quotas", after all.

"What you are trying so very, very hard to ignore is that in the 1960s, the Democrats as a whole embraced civil rights - and the Republicans picked up the mantle of racism..."

NO, the Republican Party in the south NEVER picked-up "the mantle of racism!" If that bit of gross silliness were true, the KKK would have been embraced by the G.O.P. and continued to operate under Republican control (as they had operated for decades under the Democrats!)

You DO understand that not joining the KKK doesn't mean you're not racist, don't you? The South flipped to the Republicans at exactly the time the Democrats shed their racist past and embraced civil rights. That's a matter of historical record. So are the long list of Southern Republican politicians since then whom I alluded to before, and who have a list of racist comments, votes and affiliations to their names that is much too long to complete here. Just because they didn't join the Klan doesn't mean anything. (Besides, some of them WERE members of the Council of Conservative Citizens, which is essentially Klan without the white sheets.

No, Republicans in the U.S. Senate were instrumental in LBJ passing his Civil Rights Acts of '64 & '65!

Erm, not really. It was LBJ - who himself had a lousy record on civil rights in the Senate, but who knew how to get things done in that body - who really made the difference. The Republicans' then-leader in the Senate, Everett Dirksen, only got behind the Civil Rights Act after Hubert Humphrey basically shamed him into doing so on "Meet The Press". It is true that the Republicans provided the margin of victory, but it was LBJ and the Democratic leadership in the Senate that really made the difference. The "conservative coalition" of Republicans and Southern Democrats had filibustered to death most of the attempted civil rights reforms of the twentieth century up to that time.

YDB95 writes (about the Ku Kux Klan): "Not so: it's been gaining membership at a record rate since Trump was elected."

Baloney! The KKK in the south today is completely powerless. They have ZERO SUPPORT from the many elected Republican governors, senators, & state legislators throughout the region!

Publicly, you mean.

"Seriously, Dumpington, stop embarrassing yourself and google Doug Jones already. You don't have to like the guy..."

Doug Jones in a WONDERFUL man! But there's a bit of prison terminology that accurately describes him as a: "Dead man walking!" In November of 2020 poor wonderful Doug is going to be completely humiliated at the polls! You really need to hear this from ME before you hear Rachel Maddow reporting on MSNBC that Doug Jones just might be re-elected (because that's NEVER happening!)

Don't expect me to believe you watch Rachel Maddow. (If you're wondering, she hasn't said Jones is going to be reelected.)

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "That was the era of Willie Horton and "civil rights = quotas", after all."

Massachusetts Governor Michael Dukakis really shot himself in the foot with that Willie Horton release, destroying his 1988 presidential campaign. Horton was a murderer, pure & simple, and once Dukakis let him out, he did what ALL murderers have a tendency to do, and that's to murder again. The modern left totally missed all that, and today views Willie Horton as a Civil Rights hero, right up there with Jussie Smollett!

The Republican Party was NEVER America's racist, segregationist party - no, that was the Democrats. And today, the #WalkAway movement is threatening the left's longtime stranglehold on the black vote. Young black men & women are no longer interested in being given food stamps & public housing! No, they want JOBS & economic opportunities, and President Trump is giving them exactly that!

"The South flipped to the Republicans at exactly the time the Democrats shed their racist past and embraced civil rights."

And WHERE did the once-powerful Ku Kux Klan go after the collapse of the Democratic Party in the south? Was the KKK suddenly embraced by the Republicans? NOT HARDLY! The G.O.P. has built a modern new NON-RACIST and NON-SEGREGATIONIST American south that's booming & prosperous! Every ten years, the electoral votes of southern red states EXPANDS while those Blue states up north steadily SHRINK!

"Don't expect me to believe you watch Rachel Maddow. "

NOBODY watches Rachel Maddow! There's a great you-tube clip of her MSNBC show from the autumn of 2016 where she goes on & on explaining how Donald Trump can't possibly defeat Mrs. Clinton on election day! It's hilarious!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZmY_jIe6do (runs 7:01)

 

[YDB95]

YDB95 writes: "That was the era of Willie Horton and "civil rights = quotas", after all."

Massachusetts Governor Michael Dukakis really shot himself in the foot with that Willie Horton release, destroying his 1988 presidential campaign. Horton was a murderer, pure & simple, and once Dukakis let him out, he did what ALL murderers have a tendency to do, and that's to murder again.

Not the point, and you know it (or, honestly, I'm starting to think you don't!). The point is that he was just one of numerous examples of the Republicans stoking racial tensions to appeal to white voters and win elections - and because they didn't actually use the N-word or advocate reinstating slavery, people like you are convinced they're not racist at all. Which is exactly the point - to pull the wool over your eyes!

And while allowing Horton to be furloughed was inexcusable, as usual you've got your facts wrong as to what actually happened.

The modern left totally missed all that, and today views Willie Horton as a Civil Rights hero, right up there with Jussie Smollett!

According to whom? Fox News? Seriously, every time you post, you make incredibly inflammatory accusations like this one, and never, ever back them up with anything but buckets of attitude.

The Republican Party was NEVER America's racist, segregationist party - no, that was the Democrats. And today, the #WalkAway movement is threatening the left's longtime stranglehold on the black vote. Young black men & women are no longer interested in being given food stamps & public housing! No, they want JOBS & economic opportunities, and President Trump is giving them exactly that!

Thank you for proving my point far better than I ever could on my own as to which party is the party of racists nowadays!

"The South flipped to the Republicans at exactly the time the Democrats shed their racist past and embraced civil rights."

And WHERE did the once-powerful Ku Kux Klan go after the collapse of the Democratic Party in the south? Was the KKK suddenly embraced by the Republicans? NOT HARDLY! The G.O.P. has built a modern new NON-RACIST and NON-SEGREGATIONIST American south that's booming & prosperous! Every ten years, the electoral votes of southern red states EXPANDS while those Blue states up north steadily SHRINK!

First of all, the Klan was already on the decline by the 1960s. But as I've noted elsewhere, it has seen an uptick in membership since Trump got elected.

And the part of the South that's growing rapidly certainly is becoming less racist. But the part we've been talking about here - Alabama - not so much. That is, it's neither growing rapidly nor is it becoming less racist, although Doug Jones' victory in 2017 impressed me. Remember, Jeff Sessions has probably the single most racist record of any living former senator. (Before you ask, no, he didn't join the Klan. But he did say he thought they were all right until he learned they smoked pot.)

"Don't expect me to believe you watch Rachel Maddow. "

NOBODY watches Rachel Maddow!

Then you admit you were talking out of your ass when you suggested she had said anything about Doug Jones' chances for re-election. Thank you.

But you're wrong. Lately she has regularly bested Fox News in the ratings.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "The point is that he was just one of numerous examples of the Republicans stoking racial tensions to appeal to white voters and win elections"

No, there was nothing racist about television ads demonstrating just how STUPID the governor of Massachusetts was in allowing dangerous, murderous felons to be out on the streets. If Willie Horton was WHITE would you be complaining about that ad? No, certainly not! What if he were Asian or Hispanic? No matter WHAT his race was, Governor Dukakis was a complete DUMBASS who fully deserved to be landslided like he was in 1988!

The Democratic Party automatically assumes that all black Americans relate to every other black American, including the criminals in their midst! I remember Hurricane Katrina in 2005, and what happened in New Orleans. Louisiana had a Democrat governor back then named Kathleen Blanco who NEEDED black voter support to remain in office. When the police in New Orleans (under black mayor Ray Nagin, a Democrat) abandoned their city, Governor Blanco should have called in the national guard to restore order, but feared that they might shoot looters - BLACK looters - and so she allowed the looting (and the suffering) to continue.

Was Governor Blanco being racist? She would argue the exact opposite, but I think that you & I can both agree that her actions were reverse-racism in action! In any case, the governor was finished in that state, and wisely chose not to run for re-election after her term expired. Mayor Nagin would be convicted in 2014 on twenty of twenty-one charges of fraud related to bribes from city contractors (before and after Katrina) and was sentenced to ten years in federal prison. The state of Louisiana, meanwhile, remains to this day a Republican-stronghold in five-straight presidential elections.

"...the Klan... has seen an uptick in membership since Trump got elected."

Back in the 1920's when the "solid south" belonged entirely to the Democratic Party, KKK membership reached approximately six-million. By the mid-60's, when LBJ & the Republicans in the U.S. Senate passed the Voting Rights Acts of '64 & '65, Klan membership was down to about 40,000. Today, under President Trump, it's about one-fourth of that, and so long as the Democrats remain weak in the American south it will remain all-but-nonexistent in that region of our nation!

"Then you admit you were talking out of your ass when you suggested she had said anything about Doug Jones' chances for re-election."

What exactly did I say that was so wrong? And no, Rachel Maddow will not humiliate herself by suggesting that Doug Jones has any hopes of being re-elected next year. We can at least both agree on that much!

 

[YDB95]

YDB95 writes: "The point is that he was just one of numerous examples of the Republicans stoking racial tensions to appeal to white voters and win elections"

No, there was nothing racist about television ads demonstrating just how STUPID the governor of Massachusetts was in allowing dangerous, murderous felons to be out on the streets.

But there was plenty that was racist about those ads emphasizing his race as much as they possibly could. That's the point here.

If Willie Horton was WHITE would you be complaining about that ad? No, certainly not!

If Willie Horton were white, there wouldn't have been an ad, or at least it wouldn't have emphasized his race the way the real ad did.

What if he were Asian or Hispanic? No matter WHAT his race was, Governor Dukakis was a complete DUMBASS who fully deserved to be landslided like he was in 1988!

I don't know that getting 46% of the vote counts as losing a landslide, but the point isn't that Dukakis made a stupid mistake. He did. The point is that the ad harped on Horton's race as a way to scare white voters who rejected overt racism but were still susceptible to subtler versions of it. And it worked.

The Democratic Party automatically assumes that all black Americans relate to every other black American, including the criminals in their midst!

Nope. No one has ever said that except right-wing extremists like yourself.

I remember Hurricane Katrina in 2005, and what happened in New Orleans. Louisiana had a Democrat governor back then named Kathleen Blanco who NEEDED black voter support to remain in office. When the police in New Orleans (under black mayor Ray Nagin, a Democrat) abandoned their city, Governor Blanco should have called in the national guard to restore order, but feared that they might shoot looters - BLACK looters - and so she allowed the looting (and the suffering) to continue.

Was Governor Blanco being racist? She would argue the exact opposite, but I think that you & I can both agree that her actions were reverse-racism in action!

I think you could argue that - unlike yourself - Gov. Blanco knew the score as far as how law enforcement treats black people. Besides, Mississippi also got slammed by Katrina and its governor, Haley Barbour - a living, breathing Republican stereotype if ever there was one - also rejected a request from the Bush administration to take over command of law enforcement.

I'm not saying Blanco did a good job, incidentally. But to say she handled it the way she did because she thought putting a stop to looting would cost votes...well, once again, you've proven better than I could ever hope to why black Americans vote 90% Democratic.

In any case, the governor was finished in that state, and wisely chose not to run for re-election after her term expired. Mayor Nagin would be convicted in 2014 on twenty of twenty-one charges of fraud related to bribes from city contractors (before and after Katrina) and was sentenced to ten years in federal prison. The state of Louisiana, meanwhile, remains to this day a Republican-stronghold in five-straight presidential elections.

And seven of the previous ten elections (all except 1976, 1992 and 1996). So it already leaned strongly to the Republicans well before Katrina, a fact that should surprise no one given that it's the state that gave us David Duke and, more recently, Steve Scalise.

(Mind you, I'm delighted to have Steve Scalise in the Republican caucus. A racist, homophobic gun nut who was shot by a man who had no business having a gun, and whose life was saved by a black lesbian first-responder...you couldn't possibly ask for a more clear-cut look at where the Republicans are headed!)

"...the Klan... has seen an uptick in membership since Trump got elected."

Back in the 1920's when the "solid south" belonged entirely to the Democratic Party, KKK membership reached approximately six-million. By the mid-60's, when LBJ & the Republicans in the U.S. Senate passed the Voting Rights Acts of '64 & '65, Klan membership was down to about 40,000.

We've been over this already. The Democrats provided more votes for the Civil Rights acts than the Republicans did, period. Look it up.

Today, under President Trump, it's about one-fourth of that, and so long as the Democrats remain weak in the American south it will remain all-but-nonexistent in that region of our nation!

Correlation is not causation. Klan membership has gone down - until recently - because we as a society have increasingly come to recognize that racism is wrong. Republican strength in the South has gone up because 1) the Democrats turned their backs on their racist past, and 2)the Republicans have spent the past 50 years winning via subtle appeals to racism under the Southern strategy. They call it that for a reason, Dumpington.

"Then you admit you were talking out of your ass when you suggested she had said anything about Doug Jones' chances for re-election."

What exactly did I say that was so wrong? And no, Rachel Maddow will not humiliate herself by suggesting that Doug Jones has any hopes of being re-elected next year. We can at least both agree on that much!

You implied as clearly as could be that Maddow had said Jones would win re-election. She hasn't said anything like that that I've heard of, and I can't imagine you would even know if she did say it because of course you would never watch her show. And as I noted, you've already admitted as much.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "But there was plenty that was racist about those ads emphasizing his race as much as they possibly could. That's the point here."

You are assuming that black people feel a sympathy somehow with murderous black criminals, and actually feel a kinship with dangerous thugs like Willie Horton! And yes, while that certainly may be true within the Democratic Party and its allies in the #BlackLivesMatters movement - who really DO relate to murderous black criminal thugs - the law-abiding black community does NOT!

"If Willie Horton were white, there wouldn't have been an ad, or at least it wouldn't have emphasized his race the way the real ad did."

Yes or no - was Willie Horton a piece of excrement? Would a white, Asian, or Hispanic Willie Horton have been a piece of excrement? I vote "YES" on all counts! What say you?

"I don't know that getting 46% of the vote counts as losing a landslide..."

Michael Dukakis won ten-states worth 111 electoral votes. George Bush won 40-states worth 426 electoral votes. THAT'S a landslide. The last time a Democratic presidential candidate won over 400 electoral votes was LBJ in 1964!

"Nope. No one has ever said that except right-wing extremists like yourself."

Seriously? I'm now a "right-wing extremist?" You are perpetuating a form of liberal-Democrat name-calling that cheapens words that used to mean something. Ten years ago, if you weren't an Obama-supporter it was because you were a "racist!" And today, if you believe that Representative Ilhan Omar is anti-Semitic it's obviously because you're a "white nationalist!" I gave-up childish name-calling back in the third-grade, and suggest you do the same.

"Gov. Blanco knew the score as far as how law enforcement treats black people."

TRANSLATION: You can't have the Louisiana National Guard shooting black looters in New Orleans if you want to be re-nominated by your own Democratic Party for governor. Better to allow that city to suffer horrendously instead!

"...a fact that should surprise no one given that it's the state that gave us David Duke and, more recently, Steve Scalise."

Seriously? You're now comparing a racist, anti-Semitic hate monger with a respected Republican legislator? Are you even aware that a rabid Bernie Sanders supporter opened fire on Steve Scalise & at other G.O.P. legislators during softball practice two years ago, badly wounding the congressman? Washington, D.C. police had to shoot & kill the murderous left-wing thug! Scalise survived. The guy is a hero!

"The Democrats provided more votes for the Civil Rights acts than the Republicans did, period. Look it up."

The Democrats ALSO provided more votes AGAINST the Civil Rights acts than did the Republicans, period. Look it up.

"Klan membership has gone down - until recently"

That's nonsense. The KKK will NEVER achieve the political power it had under the Democrats. I've lived in the south now for over 35-years, in Texas, Alabama, & Tennessee, and I've seen NO EVIDENCE that the Klan even exists in all those many years! It's only the modern Democratic Party that WANTS them to exist!

"You implied as clearly as could be that Maddow had said Jones would win re-election."

For the last time, I don't watch Rachel Maddow. MSNBC, like CNN, is FAKE NEWS!

 

[YDB95]

YDB95 writes: "But there was plenty that was racist about those ads emphasizing his race as much as they possibly could. That's the point here."

You are assuming that black people feel a sympathy somehow with murderous black criminals, and actually feel a kinship with dangerous thugs like Willie Horton! And yes, while that certainly may be true within the Democratic Party and its allies in the #BlackLivesMatters movement - who really DO relate to murderous black criminal thugs - the law-abiding black community does NOT!

Nothing you say here has anything to do with what I said. I'm not even going to try to understand what makes you think I assume any such thing about black people.

"If Willie Horton were white, there wouldn't have been an ad, or at least it wouldn't have emphasized his race the way the real ad did."

Yes or no - was Willie Horton a piece of excrement? Would a white, Asian, or Hispanic Willie Horton have been a piece of excrement? I vote "YES" on all counts! What say you?

I've already answered that. And you're still obscuring the point.

"Nope. No one has ever said that except right-wing extremists like yourself."

Seriously? I'm now a "right-wing extremist?"

Without a doubt.

You are perpetuating a form of liberal-Democrat name-calling that cheapens words that used to mean something.

Your commentary on here speaks for itself. That is all.

Ten years ago, if you weren't an Obama-supporter it was because you were a "racist!" And today, if you believe that Representative Ilhan Omar is anti-Semitic it's obviously because you're a "white nationalist!" I gave-up childish name-calling back in the third-grade, and suggest you do the same.

Do you really believe you've given up name-calling? Do you even realize what you're writing half the time on here?!

"...a fact that should surprise no one given that it's the state that gave us David Duke and, more recently, Steve Scalise."

Seriously? You're now comparing a racist, anti-Semitic hate monger with a respected Republican legislator?

No, with a Republican legislator who once described himself as Duke without the baggage.

Are you even aware that a rabid Bernie Sanders supporter opened fire on Steve Scalise & at other G.O.P. legislators during softball practice two years ago, badly wounding the congressman? Washington, D.C. police had to shoot & kill the murderous left-wing thug! Scalise survived. The guy is a hero!

A hero for surviving a shooting? Erm, okay.
And if you read the totality of my last comment, you know I'm aware of what happened. I'm glad he survived, but nothing about that incident makes him a hero - or a non-racist. In 2002 he spoke at a white-supremacist convention organized by - guess who? - David Duke.

"The Democrats provided more votes for the Civil Rights acts than the Republicans did, period. Look it up."
The Democrats ALSO provided more votes AGAINST the Civil Rights acts than did the Republicans, period. Look it up.

Yes, and all but one of them - Robert Byrd - were from the South. In the house, 94% of Northern Democrats voted for the bill. In the Senate it was 98% - all but Byrd. Southern Democrats did vote overwhelmingly against the bill, but Southern Republicans voted unanimously against it. And four months later, a bunch of Southern districts elected Republicans for the first time since Reconstruction. That was no coincidence, my friend.

I've lived in the south now for over 35-years, in Texas, Alabama, & Tennessee, and I've seen NO EVIDENCE that the Klan even exists in all those many years! It's only the modern Democratic Party that WANTS them to exist!

You keep saying that, while at the same time acknowledging that black voters overwhelmingly support the Democrats. You do realize that makes no sense whatsoever, don't you? As for what you haven't seen, I daresay you're making a point of not looking.

"You implied as clearly as could be that Maddow had said Jones would win re-election."
For the last time, I don't watch Rachel Maddow.

Then perhaps you shouldn't have suggested she said Doug Jones was going to get re-elected.

 

[phrodeau]

Yep, he never watches Rachel Maddow, but in post 36 he gives out a YouTube link to her show, and notes a particular time.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "Do you really believe you've given up name-calling? Do you even realize what you're writing half the time on here?!"

It's NOT name-calling to say that Representative Ilhan Omar is anti-Semitic - it's FACTUAL! And yes, I call Bernie Sanders a socialist. Even HE acknowledges that fact! Back in 2002, the late great Charles Krauthammer made an observation which certainly still rings true:

"To understand the workings of American politics, you have to understand this fundamental law: Conservatives think liberals are stupid. Liberals think conservatives are evil."

No, YDB95 - I have NEVER called you stupid - but nearly ALL of the liberal pro-Hillary Democrats who frequent this forum regularly call me (and others like me) evil, racist, stupid, and white supremacists. It's just what modern liberals do! Charles Krauthammer nailed it!

"And four months later, a bunch of Southern districts elected Republicans for the first time since Reconstruction. That was no coincidence, my friend."

I think that southerners finally woke up to the fact that the corrupt Democratic Party was keeping their region backwards, racist, & corrupt, and they yearned for a change. Out went the Ku Kux Klan and the Democratic Party, replaced by the G.O.P. & prosperity!

Fifty years ago, the eleven states making up the old Confederate States of America had a combined electoral vote total of 127 following a century of Democratic Party rule. Today those same eleven states are worth 150 electoral votes, a pick-up of +23 in half a century!

"You keep saying that, while at the same time acknowledging that black voters overwhelmingly support the Democrats."

Yes, President Johnson wanted to PURCHASE black votes with government-entitlements like food stamps & public housing! "I'll have those n*ggers voting Democrat for the next two-hundred years" he told a southern Democrat senate colleague. But today's young black population is no longer interested in living off of Uncle Sam's hand-outs, while jobless and trying to stay alive in drug & crime-infested Democratic Party-run cities! The #WalkAway movement is ending the left's stranglehold on the black vote, which is why today's Democrats want to flood this country with illegals who STILL desire taxpayer-funded freebies!

phrodeau adds: "Yep, he never watches Rachel Maddow, but in post 36 he gives out a YouTube link to her show, and notes a particular time."

That you-tube link is HILARIOUS, phrodeau! Rachel Maddow goes into great detail explaining how Donald Trump can't possibly win the presidency, not even if he wins all of the swing states! Did you watch it? Isn't it good?

 

[YDB95]

YDB95 writes: "Do you really believe you've given up name-calling? Do you even realize what you're writing half the time on here?!"

It's NOT name-calling to say that Representative Ilhan Omar is anti-Semitic - it's FACTUAL! And yes, I call Bernie Sanders a socialist. Even HE acknowledges that fact!

Well, I guess I can't deny that "the Democrat Party was in the pocket of the KKK for a hundred years and now black people vote Democrat because they want handouts" isn't a name, exactly.

No, YDB95 - I have NEVER called you stupid - but nearly ALL of the liberal pro-Hillary Democrats who frequent this forum regularly call me (and others like me) evil, racist, stupid, and white supremacists. It's just what modern liberals do! Charles Krauthammer nailed it!

Well, it's what we do when the shoe fits. That's rather different.

"And four months later, a bunch of Southern districts elected Republicans for the first time since Reconstruction. That was no coincidence, my friend."

I think that southerners finally woke up to the fact that the corrupt Democratic Party was keeping their region backwards, racist, & corrupt, and they yearned for a change.

And so they voted for a party whose nominee was staunchly opposed to the Civil Rights Act, and against the party whose leadership had just broken a nine-decade stalemate on civil rights reform. Your logic is impeccable as always!

"You keep saying that, while at the same time acknowledging that black voters overwhelmingly support the Democrats."

Yes, President Johnson wanted to PURCHASE black votes with government-entitlements like food stamps & public housing! "I'll have those n*ggers voting Democrat for the next two-hundred years" he told a southern Democrat senate colleague. But today's young black population is no longer interested in living off of Uncle Sam's hand-outs, while jobless and trying to stay alive in drug & crime-infested Democratic Party-run cities! The #WalkAway movement is ending the left's stranglehold on the black vote, which is why today's Democrats want to flood this country with illegals who STILL desire taxpayer-funded freebies!

And people here call you evil, racist, stupid and a white supremacist...gee, I can't, for the life of me, imagine why!

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "Well, I guess I can't deny that "the Democrat Party was in the pocket of the KKK for a hundred years and now black people vote Democrat because they want handouts" isn't a name, exactly."

LBJ's "Great Society" was all about purchasing the votes of poor black Americans by giving them food-stamps & public housing in exchange for their votes. And it actually WORKED for several decades, all the way up-to-and-including Barack Obama's election, at which point a LOT of younger black Americans began to realize that the government was keeping them in high-crime slums while forever dependent on taxpayer-funded hand-outs.

Black voter support for Mrs. Clinton was shockingly SHALLOW in 2016, as low black voter turn-out in cities like Philly, Detroit, & Milwaukee cost her the normally blue-states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, & Wisconsin. Which ALSO explains why the national Democratic Party is turning its attention to getting ILLEGALS to vote instead! Illegals can STILL be easily bribed with food-stamps & other freebies to vote Democrat!

Charles Krauthammer said: "To understand the workings of American politics, you have to understand this fundamental law: Conservatives think liberals are stupid. Liberals think conservatives are evil."

YDB95 responds: "Well, it's what we do when the shoe fits."

Well, at least you're finally admitting it. Anybody who didn't support Barack Obama is going to be labelled as a racist, anybody caught wearing a "Make America Great Again" hat will be ostracized in public (and asked to leave restaurants), and anybody calling Rep. Ilhan Omar "anti-Semitic" for her crude ignorant statements is clearly a white supremacist. Let's just put ANTIFA in charge of regulating free-speech. right?

THIS is why your party has forever lost the American heartland!

"And so they voted for a party whose nominee was staunchly opposed to the Civil Rights Act, and against the party whose leadership had just broken a nine-decade stalemate on civil rights reform. Your logic is impeccable as always!"

So... you're now saying that southern Democrats imposed a "nine decade stalemate on civil rights reform" in the American south, but all of that is forgotten/forgiven today because of LBJ's "Great Society" programs successfully "getting those n*ggers to vote Democrat for the next two-hundred years" - (LBJ's words, not mine) - but then, what happens if today's YOUNGER black population becomes no longer interested in living off of federal government hand-outs for the rest of their lives? What then?

"And people here call you evil, racist, stupid and a white supremacist..."

The Trump-haters in American today call EVERYBODY who supports this president an evil-racist-stupid-white-supremacist, which is why fewer & fewer people are taking them seriously anymore.

 

[YDB95]

YDB95 writes: "Well, I guess I can't deny that "the Democrat Party was in the pocket of the KKK for a hundred years and now black people vote Democrat because they want handouts" isn't a name, exactly."

LBJ's "Great Society" was all about purchasing the votes of poor black Americans by giving them food-stamps & public housing in exchange for their votes. And it actually WORKED for several decades, all the way up-to-and-including Barack Obama's election, at which point a LOT of younger black Americans began to realize that the government was keeping them in high-crime slums while forever dependent on taxpayer-funded hand-outs.

And you wonder why people call you a racist...

Black voter support for Mrs. Clinton was shockingly SHALLOW in 2016, as low black voter turn-out in cities like Philly, Detroit, & Milwaukee cost her the normally blue-states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, & Wisconsin. Which ALSO explains why the national Democratic Party is turning its attention to getting ILLEGALS to vote instead! Illegals can STILL be easily bribed with food-stamps & other freebies to vote Democrat!

And we know this because of her margin of victory in California. Who could argue with that impeccable logic?

Charles Krauthammer said: "To understand the workings of American politics, you have to understand this fundamental law: Conservatives think liberals are stupid. Liberals think conservatives are evil."

YDB95 responds: "Well, it's what we do when the shoe fits."

Well, at least you're finally admitting it. Anybody who didn't support Barack Obama is going to be labelled as a racist,

Don't confuse yourself with "anybody who didn't support Barack Obama".

anybody caught wearing a "Make America Great Again" hat will be ostracized in public (and asked to leave restaurants),

First of all, I doubt Sarah Huckabee Sanders was wearing a MAGA hat. That said, I consider wearing that hat no different from using the N-word and I have no problem with ostracizing people who wear it.

and anybody calling Rep. Ilhan Omar "anti-Semitic" for her crude ignorant statements is clearly a white supremacist. Let's just put ANTIFA in charge of regulating free-speech. right?

I don't know that anyone has said that. Except in your imagination, of course.

THIS is why your party has forever lost the American heartland!

Forever? Just one generation ago, California was a red state and West Virginia was a blue one. Things change.

"And so they voted for a party whose nominee was staunchly opposed to the Civil Rights Act, and against the party whose leadership had just broken a nine-decade stalemate on civil rights reform. Your logic is impeccable as always!"

So... you're now saying that southern Democrats imposed a "nine decade stalemate on civil rights reform" in the American south, but all of that is forgotten/forgiven today because of LBJ's "Great Society" programs successfully "getting those n*ggers to vote Democrat for the next two-hundred years" - (LBJ's words, not mine) - but then, what happens if today's YOUNGER black population becomes no longer interested in living off of federal government hand-outs for the rest of their lives? What then?

Setting aside your unabashedly racist interpretation of why most black Americans vote Democratic, I feel perfectly safe in predicting that's not going to change as long as the Republicans nominate guys like Trump.

"And people here call you evil, racist, stupid and a white supremacist..."

The Trump-haters in American today call EVERYBODY who supports this president an evil-racist-stupid-white-supremacist, which is why fewer & fewer people are taking them seriously anymore.

Again, don't confuse yourself with the public in general. The Democrats gained 40 House seats and a bunch of governorships in the last election. The left is motivated, and you can bet we're going to get out the vote in 2020.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "And you wonder why people call you a racist..."

Neo-Nazi Antifa-types call ANYBODY who didn't vote for Barack Obama a racist! And anti-Semitic Islamic radicals label ANYBODY mocking Rep. Ilhan Omar's ridiculous comments about how "some people did some stuff on 9/11" as white nationalists. Nobody takes them seriously, YDB95.

"And we know this because of her margin of victory in California."

Either Hillary Clinton cheated with the popular vote in California, or else Barack Obama is extremely unpopular in that state - take your pick!

"Don't confuse yourself with 'anybody who didn't support Barack Obama'."

The anti-Semitic neo-Nazi left views ANYBODY who didn't support Barack Obama to be a racist. And yes, they hate Jewish people just like Hitler did.

"Setting aside your unabashedly racist interpretation of why most black Americans vote Democratic, I feel perfectly safe in predicting that's not going to change as long as the Republicans nominate guys like Trump."

The pro-Democratic Party Ku Kux Klan hated Jews. The German National-Socialist (Nazi) Party hated Jews. And now the modern pro-Islamic, pro-socialist Democratic Party is increasingly anti-Semitic. Do you see the connection here?

"The Democrats gained 40 House seats and a bunch of governorships in the last election. The left is motivated, and you can bet we're going to get out the vote in 2020."

In 2010, the Republicans gained 63 House seats & six U.S. Senate seats (and a bunch of governorships). The G.O.P. was motivated to get out the vote. But guess who won re-election in 2012? Trump is going to completely DESTROY whatever Democrat wins that party's 2020 presidential nomination!

 

[YDB95]

Either Hillary Clinton cheated with the popular vote in California, or else Barack Obama is extremely unpopular in that state - take your pick!

I've answered this several times, in more detail on the other thread just now. Again, it's nothing but a reflection that Trump lost a lot of usually Republican suburban votes. And it happened in other states as well.

"Don't confuse yourself with 'anybody who didn't support Barack Obama'."

The anti-Semitic neo-Nazi left views ANYBODY who didn't support Barack Obama to be a racist. And yes, they hate Jewish people just like Hitler did.

Okay, the anti-Semites on the left probably do consider anyone who didn't vote for Obama a racist. But don't confuse a tiny group of extremists with the left in general. That'd be like comparing all Republicans to you. And that would be deeply unfair to Republicans.

"Setting aside your unabashedly racist interpretation of why most black Americans vote Democratic, I feel perfectly safe in predicting that's not going to change as long as the Republicans nominate guys like Trump."

The pro-Democratic Party Ku Kux Klan hated Jews.

Which has a lot to do why Southern whites flipped to the Republicans when the Democrats embraced civil rights, doesn't it?

The German National-Socialist (Nazi) Party hated Jews. And now the modern pro-Islamic, pro-socialist Democratic Party is increasingly anti-Semitic. Do you see the connection here?

Rep. Omar made one distasteful comment about Israel. That doesn't make her comparable to the Nazis. Now, Donald Trump and his penchant for dehumanizing his opponents and stirring up public hatred of them for his political gain, that reminds me of Hitler.

"The Democrats gained 40 House seats and a bunch of governorships in the last election. The left is motivated, and you can bet we're going to get out the vote in 2020."

In 2010, the Republicans gained 63 House seats & six U.S. Senate seats (and a bunch of governorships). The G.O.P. was motivated to get out the vote. But guess who won re-election in 2012? Trump is going to completely DESTROY whatever Democrat wins that party's 2020 presidential nomination!

The horse is out of the barn on that one, Dumpington. You've already let it slip elsewhere that you're aware that every election has its own circumstances and you can't judge them by what happened in other years. Trump's approval rating has been mired well below 50% for most of his term, no one can pretend he's not a racist/sexist/homophobe/Islamophobe anymore, and there are only so many Archie Bunker types out there anymore. Even in the heartland.

One thing worth noting about 2010 and 2012, though: they're a vivid reflection of the well-established truism that higher turnout benefits Democrats. Which - again - shows why the Republicans are so eager to curtail voting.

 

[Dumpington]

RubenR writes: "Not everybody who is critical about the Israeli politics is an anti-Semitic Neo-Nazi."

No, Ruben, I don't believe that, either. And not everybody who didn't support Barack Obama for president is a racist - just as not everybody who opposes the anti-Semitic nonsense coming from Rep. Ilhan Omar is a white nationalist.

YDB95 writes: "That'd be like comparing all Republicans to you. And that would be deeply unfair to Republicans."

That's true - a LOT of establishment Republicans didn't support the nomination of Donald Trump in 2016 - but he won the presidency without their support!

"Which has a lot to do why Southern whites flipped to the Republicans when the Democrats embraced civil rights, doesn't it?"

Most southern-segregationist Democrats remained with their party. Alabama's Governor George Wallace stayed a Democrat. So did Hillary Clinton's mentor: West Virginia's U.S. Senator Robert Byrd, and Al Gore's father: U.S. Senator Al Gore. Sr. - And Bill Clinton's mentor: Arkansas U.S. Senator William Fulbright. ALL of them were prominent segregationists, and ALL remained lifelong Democrats. And ALL of them voted against LBJ's Civil Rights legislation in '64 & '65!

NONE of the new breed of Republican governors & U.S. Senators dominating the southern states is a segregationist, or has EVER been a member of the Ku Kux Klan. The Republican Party would never tolerate such a thing!

"Rep. Omar made one distasteful comment about Israel. That doesn't make her comparable to the Nazis."

She's made more than one statement, YDB95. Rep. Ilhan Omar has been a continual embarrassment to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who can't make the woman shut-up! Nancy's trying to forward this false narrative that her party is open & diverse, but she NEVER thought she'd have to deal with the Democrat crazies elected to her side of the aisle in 2018 (who might cost her the speakership in 2020!)

"Trump's approval rating has been mired well below 50% for most of his term..."

Yes, and Trump's approval ratings in 2016 were mired below 50%, and he was running against the VERY BEST that the Democratic Party had to offer in Hillary Clinton, and he STILL won! And WHO will now challenge him in 2020? The Dems have two old white men and a bunch of nobodies!

 

[YDB95]

"Which has a lot to do why Southern whites flipped to the Republicans when the Democrats embraced civil rights, doesn't it?"

Most southern-segregationist Democrats remained with their party. Alabama's Governor George Wallace stayed a Democrat. So did Hillary Clinton's mentor: West Virginia's U.S. Senator Robert Byrd, and Al Gore's father: U.S. Senator Al Gore. Sr. - And Bill Clinton's mentor: Arkansas U.S. Senator William Fulbright. ALL of them were prominent segregationists, and ALL remained lifelong Democrats. And ALL of them voted against LBJ's Civil Rights legislation in '64 & '65!

Well, George Wallace was never a senator and thus didn't get a vote on the civil rights legislation. (Not to mention he later renounced his earlier racism and, like Byrd, spent the last few decades of his life apologizing for it. Or that although Hillary Clinton did later call Byrd her mentor, in the mid '60s she was a Goldwater Republican.) But Jesse Helms, Trent Lott and Phil Gramm just to name a few who later became senators - and Strom Thurmond, who already was a senator by then - they were all Democrats-turned-Republicans who made the switch because that was where the pro-segregationist voters went in the decade or so after the Civil Rights Act.

NONE of the new breed of Republican governors & U.S. Senators dominating the southern states is a segregationist,

Not openly so anyway.

or has EVER been a member of the Ku Kux Klan. The Republican Party would never tolerate such a thing!

Well, that much is true. It's no longer politically feasible to explain away Klan affiliations as anything but racist. But - and you really don't seem to get this - not joining the Klan doesn't mean you're not a racist.

"Rep. Omar made one distasteful comment about Israel. That doesn't make her comparable to the Nazis."

She's made more than one statement, YDB95.

I said "one distasteful comment", not "one statement". And I wouldn't count on her sinking the Dems' House majority. The Republicans are already maxed out on the Islamophobe vote, and it wasn't enough last year.

"Trump's approval rating has been mired well below 50% for most of his term..."

Yes, and Trump's approval ratings in 2016 were mired below 50%, and he was running against the VERY BEST that the Democratic Party had to offer in Hillary Clinton, and he STILL won!

The VERY BEST? Um, no. Hillary Clinton may be roundly admired by feminists and Democratic partisans, but she also had 25 years of baggage to carry and was uniquely reviled by people who long ago forgot just why they were supposed to dislike her in the first place, plus a lot of us progressives never much liked her OR her husband. They stabbed us in the back on gays in the military, he signed DOMA and welfare "reform", and they bungled health care reform so badly it took fifteen years just to take the next step. I don't know who the Dems will nominate in 2020, but s/he won't have all that to overcome.

And WHO will now challenge him in 2020? The Dems have two old white men and a bunch of nobodies!

Time was, the Democrats couldn't wait to run against Ronald Reagan and the Republicans couldn't wait to run against Bill Clinton. Careful what you wish for.