Alabama indites Rethuglicans, Whut?

[YDB95]

YDB95 writes: "Which is not to say LBJ never said anything racist, but he didn't make that particular comment, and there's no evidence that he believed the substance of it either."

During his days as a young Democratic Party U.S. Senate majority/minority leader in the 1950's, LBJ spoke & voted just like the rest of the southern Democrats.

Sad but true. You could, of course, extend that to "like most of today's Southern Republicans."

By the time he became the vice president (under JFK), he was considerably LESS racist than before. That statement he made about his "Great Society" programs was MORE about strengthening his party's base with future black votes than anything intentionally racist. (But he STILL said it!)

Where's your proof? There is no documentation whatsoever that he said it, and your own word is worthless when it comes to accuracy of quotes, both from people you love and people you hate.

"Where is your evidence that blacks are abandoning the Democrats? Is that somehow reflected in voting trends in California only too?"

Black & hispanic voters are entirely separate entities. Black voters do not follow the lead of Spanish-speaking voters and vice-versa. California's Hispanic voter-spike is primarily illegals flooding into that state and residing in sanctuary cities where the Democratic Party promises to take care of them, offering taxpayer-funded freebies. Many illegals APPRECIATE being able to openly flout U.S. immigration laws, and will vote for Democrat candidates to keep the goodies coming!

Goodies? You know NOTHING about what most of these people go through just to get to the USA in the first place, nor how they live once they are there. Maybe at least read an article or two about what really happens, as opposed to what Trump says.

Black voters have a LONG HISTORY of supporting Democrats, dating back to the mid-1960's and LBJ's "Great Society" welfare state that gave them food stamps, housing, & affirmative action. But that was then & this is now. Modern black youth don't like the idea of the government taking care of them from cradle-to-grave - they want good jobs instead, and that's what President Trump is giving them.

Public assistance - including housing - predates the Great Society. The real reason why blacks swung heavily to the Democrats at that point was because Goldwater ran an openly racist campaign, boasting of his vote against the Civil Rights Act. And there is no evidence whatsoever that they're defecting to the Republicans today, though you've said so countless times - without a shred of evidence as usual.

All of these Democratic presidential candidates discussing "reparations" is an act of desperation to keep black voters on the "Democratic Party plantation!" It won't work!

I haven't heard any current candidate say anything about reparations yet. What I have heard is black voters being unwilling to be taken for granted, but that's perfectly reasonable.

"Reagan also built a political career out of stirring up white resentment..."

The Democrats have NEVER had a president as popular as Ronald Reagan! He won the White House in 1980 with a staggering 489 electoral votes! And then, just four years later, he set a new all-time record with 525 electoral votes, winning 10,552,242 MORE popular votes than he'd won in 1980! Compare that with Barack Obama winning 3,580,921 FEWER popular votes when he ran for re-election in 2012!

1. Reagan was rarely as popular as you probably think. His election margins had more to do with how unpopular his opponents were.
2. LBJ and FDR both won with a bigger share of the popular vote than Reagan got.
3. Obama was more popular at the end of his term than Reagan was at the end of his.
4. Even if you were right about his popularity, all that proves is that racism sold well in the '80s.

"Trump wasn't talking about one person, he was saying most Latinx immigrants are violent criminals."

100% of the people entering our national illegally are breaking our laws! And yes, a LOT of them then commit violent crimes once in our nation! And the Democrats respond to this by setting up sanctuary cities to protect these killers from being deported!

No, Dumpington. It has nothing to do with protecting violent criminals. It has to do with providing a safe space for people who - although they immigrated illegally - have been contributing to our society and our economy, often doing jobs no American is willing to do, and trying to provide a better life for their children. Do you at least understand why some of us see a gray area on illegal immigration in light of how the first whites came to America? (I doubt it, but it doesn't hurt to ask.)

Kate Steinle's killer (José Inez García Zárate) was here illegally. On November 30, 2017, after five days of deliberations, a liberal California jury acquitted him of all murder and manslaughter charges, because the Democratic Party wants hispanics who violate our nation's immigration laws (e.g. shooting law-abiding Americans) to know that they will be cared for and protected by that party!

WOW. Even for you, Dumpington...
García Zárate was a convicted felon who was still able to obtain a gun with ease, and he was convicted of illegal possession of a firearm. (Let me guess, the fact that a guy like that was able to get a gun only convinces you that gun control is useless?) If the goal were to encourage anyone to violate our laws, why would they convict him on the firearms charge?

Now, all those other cases you listed were horrible to be sure, and I hope the perps all rot in jail. but studies have shown there is NO evidence that undocumented immigration raises crime rates. The list of Americans, born and raised in the United States, who committed violent crimes over that same period would be much, much longer.

 

[YDB95]

Meanwhile, Democratic Party House Speaker Nancy Pelosi reminds us that, despite some of the barbaric crimes being committed by these animals in our country illegally: "Calling people animals is not a good thing."

She was referring to the way Trump refers to Muslims in exactly the same sort of language Hitler used to refer to Jews. But you knew that.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "Sad but true. You could, of course, extend that to "like most of today's Southern Republicans.""

NONE of the Republican House or Senate elected-representatives in the south are segregationists. That was a uniquely Democratic Party qualification that LBJ eventually distanced himself from in the hope of getting black voters to credit his adminstration (and political party) with giving them government freebies in exchange for their votes "for the next two-hundred years!"

"Goodies? You know NOTHING about what most of these people go through just to get to the USA in the first place..."

The Democratic Party has ALWAYS been about redistributiong the wealth of this nation through a system of "entitlement spending" - that is, taxing the people with jobs, and then giving their money to people without jobs. They are following a principle that goes something like: "Those who rob Peter to pay Paul will ALWAYS have the support of Paul!" The Democrats in California have successfully used this socialist theory to build an enormous hispanic voter base in their state, but at the same time it's no longer working so well with black Americans, who are tired of living in urban projects and receiving a lifetime supply of food stamps. Young black Americans want the kind of JOBS they're getting from President Trump! It's the Democratic Party's fear of losing young black Democrats that has sparked the recent cries for REPARATIONS in order to bring young black voters back into the fold.

"I haven't heard any current candidate say anything about reparations yet."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXsdKWj0c9Q - (runs 8:07)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_h07mx-LL8 - (runs 6:36)

Kamala Harris, Julian Castro, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren have ALL addressed this issue, equating reparations with social justice.

"1. Reagan was rarely as popular as you probably think. His election margins had more to do with how unpopular his opponents were." - Reagan's opponents were an incumbent president & a former vice president (like Joe Biden will be in 2020 should he win the nomination)!

"2. LBJ and FDR both won with a bigger share of the popular vote than Reagan got." - Reagan holds the ALL-TIME record-high electoral vote count (at 525)!

"3. Obama was more popular at the end of his term than Reagan was at the end of his." - Nonsense. Reagan got STRONGER when he ran for re-election, Obama got WEAKER!

"4. Even if you were right about his popularity, all that proves is that racism sold well in the '80s." - Yeah, California, New York, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Illinois, Washington, Oregon, Hawaii, & Vermont were all hotbeds of racism in '84!

"Do you at least understand why some of us see a gray area on illegal immigration in light of how the first whites came to America?"

First of all, Europeans flocking to the new world were NOT attempting to tap into free government entitlements services being provided by the native Americans. And secondly, the Democratic Party claims that the U.S. under Trump is racist, sexist, & homophobic, so WHY are so many people all around the world DESPERATE to live in Trump's America? Shouldn't they be attempting to FLEE instead?

"She was referring to the way Trump refers to Muslims in exactly the same sort of language Hitler used to refer to Jews. But you knew that."

Do NOT compare Hitler's treatment of the Jews with Trump's treatment of Islam! That ONLY demonstrates your complete ignorance of Hitler & his Nazis. Again, NO JEWS wanted to move into Hitler's Germany, while tens of thousands of Muslims migrants are continually trying to enter Trump's America!

 

[YDB95]

YDB95 writes: "Sad but true. You could, of course, extend that to "like most of today's Southern Republicans.""

NONE of the Republican House or Senate elected-representatives in the south are segregationists. That was a uniquely Democratic Party qualification that LBJ eventually distanced himself from in the hope of getting black voters to credit his adminstration (and political party) with giving them government freebies in exchange for their votes "for the next two-hundred years!"

Ever hear of the Southern Strategy? The very fact that you can say what you've said there is proof positive that it worked like a charm.

"Goodies? You know NOTHING about what most of these people go through just to get to the USA in the first place..."

The Democratic Party has ALWAYS been about redistributiong the wealth of this nation through a system of "entitlement spending" - that is, taxing the people with jobs, and then giving their money to people without jobs. They are following a principle that goes something like: "Those who rob Peter to pay Paul will ALWAYS have the support of Paul!"

It's called providing for the common good, and you benefit from it in all sorts of ways whether you realize it or not.

Oh, and people who don't have jobs pay taxes, too, on everything they buy in most states.

The Democrats in California have successfully used this socialist theory to build an enormous hispanic voter base in their state,

Actually, it was California that gave us the tax revolt in the first place. And the Democratic advantage among Hispanics there is because Pete Wilson ran an openly xenophobic campaign for governor in 1994. Which is why I'm optimistic Trump is going to trigger a similar backlash nationally. We'll see.

but at the same time it's no longer working so well with black Americans, who are tired of living in urban projects and receiving a lifetime supply of food stamps. Young black Americans want the kind of JOBS they're getting from President Trump!

No matter how many times you say that, you never back it up with anything but buckets of attitude. Seriously, you haven't produced a shred of evidence that Trump is gaining black support. And with good reason: there isn't any.

It's the Democratic Party's fear of losing young black Democrats that has sparked the recent cries for REPARATIONS in order to bring young black voters back into the fold.

Or maybe it's because we believe it's the right thing to do?

"I haven't heard any current candidate say anything about reparations yet."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXsdKWj0c9Q - (runs 8:07)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_h07mx-LL8 - (runs 6:36)

Kamala Harris, Julian Castro, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren have ALL addressed this issue, equating reparations with social justice.

Thank you for backing your statements up for once. I'm glad to hear they're addressing it, too.

"1. Reagan was rarely as popular as you probably think. His election margins had more to do with how unpopular his opponents were." - Reagan's opponents were an incumbent president & a former vice president (like Joe Biden will be in 2020 should he win the nomination)!

In no way does that negate my point. Not even close.

"2. LBJ and FDR both won with a bigger share of the popular vote than Reagan got." - Reagan holds the ALL-TIME record-high electoral vote count (at 525)!

Which, as you yourself have reminded us dozens of times, has nothing to do with personal popularity. You said "The Democrats have never had a president as popular as Reagan." That simply isn't true.

"3. Obama was more popular at the end of his term than Reagan was at the end of his." - Nonsense. Reagan got STRONGER when he ran for re-election, Obama got WEAKER!

The numbers don't lie, Dump. Look it up. Finding numbers is one thing you're quite good at - when they say what you want them to.

"4. Even if you were right about his popularity, all that proves is that racism sold well in the '80s." - Yeah, California, New York, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Illinois, Washington, Oregon, Hawaii, & Vermont were all hotbeds of racism in '84!

If your point is that Reagan carrying states that are mostly blue today (not all of which were 35 years ago) somehow proves he wasn't a racist...yeah, no. That's not how it works.

"Do you at least understand why some of us see a gray area on illegal immigration in light of how the first whites came to America?"

First of all, Europeans flocking to the new world were NOT attempting to tap into free government entitlements services being provided by the native Americans.

And today's immigrants aren't trying to "tap into free government entitlements" either. They mostly come here to work and build a better life than they could hope for back home.

And secondly, the Democratic Party claims that the U.S. under Trump is racist, sexist, & homophobic, so WHY are so many people all around the world DESPERATE to live in Trump's America? Shouldn't they be attempting to FLEE instead?

They're not desperate to live in Trump's America. They're desperate to live in America. Trump will be gone soon enough (although it'll probably take decades to undo the damage he's inflicted. But that's beside the point.).

"She was referring to the way Trump refers to Muslims in exactly the same sort of language Hitler used to refer to Jews. But you knew that."

Do NOT compare Hitler's treatment of the Jews with Trump's treatment of Islam! That ONLY demonstrates your complete ignorance of Hitler & his Nazis. Again, NO JEWS wanted to move into Hitler's Germany, while tens of thousands of Muslims migrants are continually trying to enter Trump's America!

All that means is that things haven't yet gotten to the point of marching people off to concentration camps (although putting children in cages is uncomfortably close). The dehumanizing language he uses with Muslims and Hispanics is EXACTLY the sort of language Hitler used with the Jews, which lay the groundwork for the atrocities that followed.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "Ever hear of the Southern Strategy? The very fact that you can say what you've said there is proof positive that it worked like a charm."

A total of ONE segregationist Democratic Party southern U.S. Senator (Strom Thurmond) switched parties. ALL of the rest of them remained Democrats. As late as 1976, the southern presidential vote was STILL mostly going to white Democrats!

"Oh, and people who don't have jobs pay taxes, too, on everything they buy in most states."

Which probably explains why Democrats seemingly prefer joblessness over people working - because of your above-mentioned belief that unemployed people will somehow pay more in taxes?

"Which is why I'm optimistic Trump is going to trigger a similar backlash nationally. We'll see."

Black & Hispanic Americans aren't stupid. They've seen how, under Donald Trump's leadership, minority unemployment figures are at their lowest levels in history! Yes, I believe that the exodus from the Democratic Party will very likely be accelerated by 2020.

"Or maybe it's because we believe it's the right thing to do?"

It's an act of DESPERATION, which explains why it wasn't the "right thing to do" back in 2009, when the Democratic Party could have easily passed any reparations bill Obama asked for - but wisely didn't.

"If your point is that Reagan carrying states that are mostly blue today (not all of which were 35 years ago) somehow proves he wasn't a racist...yeah, no. That's not how it works."

It's your OWN ridiculous contention that any state that voted for Ronald Reagan was racist. You subscribe to that modern liberal maxim that goes: "anybody who disagrees with me over politics is Hitler!"

"They mostly come here to work and build a better life than they could hope for back home."

TRANSLATION: They mostly come to Trump's America because it's far more prosperous & free than anything in those socialist (and/or Islamic) sh*tholes that they once called home (but are now desperate to escape).

"They're not desperate to live in Trump's America. They're desperate to live in America."

Trump's America IS America. Barack Obama's America was the land of free food stamps & transgendered bathrooms.

"The dehumanizing language he uses with Muslims and Hispanics is EXACTLY the sort of language Hitler used with the Jews, which lay the groundwork for the atrocities that followed."

Hitler would have NEVER spoken out against Islam, because Islam believes in all of the things that Hitler & his Nazi Party believed: hatred towards Jews, murdering Jews, killing gays, and keeping women perpetually subservient to men.

 

[Dumpington]

RubenR writes: "It's amazing with how much conviction you utter your bullshit. But I guess it's easy, if you don't have to look for the facts."

Come on, Ruben - deep down, you KNOW that what I'm saying is the truth!

Case in point: REPARATIONS - if the Democratic Party truly believes that this is something that should have been dealt with years ago, WHY NOT pass a reparations bill in 2009? Barack Obama was in the White House, the Dems had a LOCK on the U.S. Senate, and Nancy Pelosi sat atop a huge majority in the House of Representatives!

But they DIDN'T deal with it, did they? No, instead President Obama concentrates on pushing through his dishonest (and enormously flawed) health care legislation, and in the 2010 elections the Democrats go down in flames, losing 63-House & 6-Senate seats, with their legislative muscle only growing progressively weaker into the Obama presidency. Those are the FACTS, Ruben, and you know it!

 

[Dumpington]

RubenR writes: "The only thing I know about you, is that you're a pathetic liar and a racist, with a split personality. I don't associate you with truth."

You and I have some clear political differences, Ruben, but WHY must you respond to these differences by calling me a "racist?" Don't you even realize how much you are CHEAPENING the use of that word? If you told me that you supported the Palestinians over Israel (as so many liberal Democrats now do), and I responded by accusing you of being a "Nazi" - that would only be my cheapening of that word - and NOT a valid criticism! But I actually KNOW what the Nazis stood for & represented, and so I'd never stoop that low (unless, of course, you actually praised Adolf Hitler's genocidal actions!) But I would NOT expend my credibility to score political points.

Also, Ruben, deep down I think it's safe to say that you understand that I'm speaking the truth, but will never admit as much, which is why you instead angrily lash-out with insults. Again, you know that I'm speaking the truth, and that knowledge understandably bothers you - I get it.

 

[YDB95]

YDB95 writes: "Ever hear of the Southern Strategy? The very fact that you can say what you've said there is proof positive that it worked like a charm."

A total of ONE segregationist Democratic Party southern U.S. Senator (Strom Thurmond) switched parties. ALL of the rest of them remained Democrats. As late as 1976, the southern presidential vote was STILL mostly going to white Democrats!

I'll take that as a no, you don't know what the Southern strategy is. Or maybe you're just unwilling to acknowledge it. I imagine I would be too if I had your politics.

"Oh, and people who don't have jobs pay taxes, too, on everything they buy in most states."

Which probably explains why Democrats seemingly prefer joblessness over people working - because of your above-mentioned belief that unemployed people will somehow pay more in taxes?

It is truly amazing how you can quote my posts and still see something other than what I actually wrote.

"Which is why I'm optimistic Trump is going to trigger a similar backlash nationally. We'll see."

Black & Hispanic Americans aren't stupid. They've seen how, under Donald Trump's leadership, minority unemployment figures are at their lowest levels in history! Yes, I believe that the exodus from the Democratic Party will very likely be accelerated by 2020.

You're right, they're not stupid. Which means they know that's a trend that began under Obama, and they know Trump has spent the past four years actively encouraging racism.

"Or maybe it's because we believe it's the right thing to do?"

It's an act of DESPERATION, which explains why it wasn't the "right thing to do" back in 2009, when the Democratic Party could have easily passed any reparations bill Obama asked for - but wisely didn't.

What have you got against reparations? If a company that's still a going concern profited from slave labor, why shouldn't the slaves' descendants be compensated for the work their ancestors did?

"If your point is that Reagan carrying states that are mostly blue today (not all of which were 35 years ago) somehow proves he wasn't a racist...yeah, no. That's not how it works."

It's your OWN ridiculous contention that any state that voted for Ronald Reagan was racist.

I wouldn't go that far. I would - and certainly do - say any state that supported him was at least willing to condone a racist. But I've already said, there are racists in all 50 states. That particular year, they carried the day in 49 of them. Shame.

"They're not desperate to live in Trump's America. They're desperate to live in America."

Trump's America IS America. Barack Obama's America was the land of free food stamps & transgendered bathrooms.

Illegal immigrants aren't eligible for food stamps. And what do you have against people being allowed to use bathrooms for their own gender?

"The dehumanizing language he uses with Muslims and Hispanics is EXACTLY the sort of language Hitler used with the Jews, which lay the groundwork for the atrocities that followed."

Hitler would have NEVER spoken out against Islam, because Islam believes in all of the things that Hitler & his Nazi Party believed: hatred towards Jews, murdering Jews, killing gays, and keeping women perpetually subservient to men.

Again, not what I said - I said the language Hitler used against the Jews, not the Muslims - and come to think of it..."hatred towards Jews, murdering Jews, killing gays, and keeping women perpetually subservient to men"... if you change "Jews" to "Muslims", that sounds an awful lot like today's Republicans.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "I'll take that as a no, you don't know what the Southern strategy is."

Please explain to me HOW the southern strategy affected powerful Democratic Party U.S. Senators (and longtime segregationists) Robert Byrd, Al Gore, Sr., William Fulbright, etc.? And HOW do you account for liberal Democrat Jimmy Carter sweeping the south in 1976 AFTER the so-called southern strategy was put into place?

"Which means they know that's a trend that began under Obama, and they know Trump has spent the past four years actively encouraging racism."

President Obama had EIGHT YEARS to improve the plight of black & hispanic Americans, but he FAILED! President Trump then enters the White House and IMMEDIATELY black & hispanic unemployment numbers begin to dramatically drop! And YOU don't believe that black & hispanic voters are aware of this?

"What have you got against reparations? If a company that's still a going concern profited from slave labor, why shouldn't the slaves' descendants be compensated for the work their ancestors did?"

QUESTION: If reparations is a good idea, then WHY didn't President Obama & the Democratic Party-dominated House & Senate vote on it in 2009 when they could EASILY have made it the law of the land? ANSWER: it's a terrible idea, and an act of desperation by Democrats trying to win the 2020 presidential nomination by attempting to bribe black American voters. It won't work.

"But I've already said, there are racists in all 50 states."

I know that. They're called Democrats. Liberals on American college campuses are even trying to bring back segregation! Across the country last fall, college students began protesting alleged oppression and discrimination by white administrators and students. Most of the grievances centered around a lack of black professors or the names of certain buildings, but some protesters are asking for "safe spaces" where whites aren't allowed.

For instance, protesters at U.C.L.A. demanded a new housing center, called the "Afro-House" for black students only. They also insisted this house have cheaper rent than the surrounding area, claiming that "many black students cannot afford to live in Westwood with the high prices of rent."

At New York University, students requested an entire floor of a multi-use building be designated solely for student of color. In other words: "No whites allowed." I wish I was only joking, but I'm NOT!

"And what do you have against people being allowed to use bathrooms for their own gender?"

There are TWO GENDERS, yes or no? Do you find it acceptable for a guy to try out for the girl's basketball team because he claims that he's a girl (and would very likely sit on the bench on the boys' team)? What about girls' track & field, tennis, or golf? Are you a science-denier of basic biology?

"...if you change "Jews" to "Muslims", that sounds an awful lot like today's Republicans."

Are we back to that again? "Anybody who doesn't share my political beliefs is Hitler!"

Yes or no, should gay men be tossed off of five-story rooftops to their deaths before a cheering crowd? Is it Jews, Republicans, or MUSLIMS who actually do that? And when was the last time a Jewish or a Republican suicide bomber blew himself up, killing innocent people? How about a MUSLIM suicide bomber? Hint, hint... Easter Sunday? - less than a week ago? Sri Lanka? Does any of that ring a bell?

 

[phrodeau]

Minority unemployment rates started dropping in 2010, only one year after Obama took office. The trend continued into Trump’s term, but only at the same pace.

Someone has been listening to a liar.

 

[Dumpington]

phrodeau writes: "Minority unemployment rates started dropping in 2010, only one year after Obama took office. The trend continued into Trump’s term, but only at the same pace."

Seriously, phrodeau?

You're saying that it was Obama's plan all along to oversee a stagnant economy for eight-long-years with his economic policies only kicking in after he left office in January of 2017? And NONE of what happened after that time can be attributed to the policies put into place by President Trump? Barack Obama was a complete ignoramus when it came to all things regarding economics & economic-growth!

RubenR writes: "It probably knows it or at least suspects it, but ignores it, because the truth doesn't fit in its picture. You can't reason with that one, because it only 'believes' in its own 'truth' and tries to pull us down with it."

It was a terrible president, Ruben. It knew it was terrible when its party lost 63-House & six-senate seats in 2010. Its lasting legacy came with that presidential Executive Order allowing transgendered guys into women's restrooms! It only believed its own "truths" to pull the rest of us down with it.

 

[YDB95]

YDB95 writes: "I'll take that as a no, you don't know what the Southern strategy is."

Please explain to me HOW the southern strategy affected powerful Democratic Party U.S. Senators (and longtime segregationists) Robert Byrd, Al Gore, Sr., William Fulbright, etc.?

All their states swung solidly to the Republicans at the presidential level, and eventually with respect to senators and representatives too. (Not to mention Gore Sr lost his seat in 1970 and Fulbright in 1974 - maybe they weren't so powerful after all.)

And HOW do you account for liberal Democrat Jimmy Carter sweeping the south in 1976 AFTER the so-called southern strategy was put into place?

There's that pesky Context again...
1. Watergate
2. Carter was the first nominee in decades from the Deep South, so he had a knack for connecting with Southern whites that other Democrats of the era lacked - including a lot of evangelical Christians who mostly didn't vote at all up to then, and who subsequently flipped to the Republicans.
3. Gerald Ford, whatever his faults, by and large did not use the Southern Strategy. The fact that he was the only Republican nominee who lost from 1968-1988 speaks for itself as far as how well the strategy worked.

"Which means they know that's a trend that began under Obama, and they know Trump has spent the past four years actively encouraging racism."

President Obama had EIGHT YEARS to improve the plight of black & hispanic Americans, but he FAILED! President Trump then enters the White House and IMMEDIATELY black & hispanic unemployment numbers begin to dramatically drop! And YOU don't believe that black & hispanic voters are aware of this?

I believe all informed voters are aware that it just isn't that simple. Obama inherited the worst economy since the 1930s, and there was no way to undo all the damage as quickly as you're suggesting he should have. (At least not as long as he insisted on bending over backwards to accommodate the Republicans for his first two years, during which time he could have mostly ignored them. I wish he had.) By the way, I believe that is also the reason why his margins dropped in 2012.

And as Phrodeau pointed out, you're wrong about when unemployment numbers dropped. But that almost goes without saying.

"What have you got against reparations? If a company that's still a going concern profited from slave labor, why shouldn't the slaves' descendants be compensated for the work their ancestors did?"

QUESTION: If reparations is a good idea, then WHY didn't President Obama & the Democratic Party-dominated House & Senate vote on it in 2009 when they could EASILY have made it the law of the land? ANSWER: it's a terrible idea, and an act of desperation by Democrats trying to win the 2020 presidential nomination by attempting to bribe black American voters. It won't work.

You haven't answered my question. Why do you consider it a terrible idea? (I won't even bother asking for an explanation why you think black voters will swing to the Republicans next year. We both know you don't have one.)

"But I've already said, there are racists in all 50 states."

I know that. They're called Democrats.

And you accuse ME of calling everyone who disagrees with me a racist...oooohhhhkay.

Liberals on American college campuses are even trying to bring back segregation! Across the country last fall, college students began protesting alleged oppression and discrimination by white administrators and students. Most of the grievances centered around a lack of black professors or the names of certain buildings, but some protesters are asking for "safe spaces" where whites aren't allowed.

For instance, protesters at U.C.L.A. demanded a new housing center, called the "Afro-House" for black students only. They also insisted this house have cheaper rent than the surrounding area, claiming that "many black students cannot afford to live in Westwood with the high prices of rent."

At New York University, students requested an entire floor of a multi-use building be designated solely for student of color. In other words: "No whites allowed." I wish I was only joking, but I'm NOT!

I do think some student activists are going too far. But that doesn't reflect the mainstream left in any way.

"And what do you have against people being allowed to use bathrooms for their own gender?"

There are TWO GENDERS, yes or no? Do you find it acceptable for a guy to try out for the girl's basketball team because he claims that he's a girl (and would very likely sit on the bench on the boys' team)? What about girls' track & field, tennis, or golf? Are you a science-denier of basic biology?

Sounds to me like you are, Dumpington. You certainly don't understand transsexualism, not if you think any of the above is remotely accurate.

"...if you change "Jews" to "Muslims", that sounds an awful lot like today's Republicans."

Are we back to that again? "Anybody who doesn't share my political beliefs is Hitler!"

Since we're back to "all Democrats are racists," why not?
But seriously, the fact is, today's Republicans under Trump (and to a lesser extent before him) stand for open, unvarnished racism, sexism, xenophobia, Islamophobia, and - as you just demonstrated above - transphobia. I don't apologize for saying so. And it is a fact that the language Trump uses to describe the people he hates is extremely reminiscent of the language Hitler used against the Jews. To this day some people wonder how such a terrible thing could have happened in the twentieth century...well, it started with dehumanizing language.

Yes or no, should gay men be tossed off of five-story rooftops to their deaths before a cheering crowd? Is it Jews, Republicans, or MUSLIMS who actually do that?

It wasn't Muslims or Jews who beat Matthew Shepard to a pulp and left him tied to a fence to die. It wasn't Muslims or Jews who dragged James Byrd to his death with their truck. And it wasn't Muslims or Jews - except perhaps for a handful of Jewish Republicans - who have fought tooth and nail against the hate crimes laws named in their honor.

Oh, and it wasn't Muslims who murdered Dr. George Tiller in his church, either. Some horrible things have been done in the name of Christinity, Judaism and - yes - Islam. That does not make those things representative of any of those faiths.

And when was the last time a Jewish or a Republican suicide bomber blew himself up, killing innocent people? How about a MUSLIM suicide bomber? Hint, hint... Easter Sunday? - less than a week ago? Sri Lanka? Does any of that ring a bell?

You don't have to go much farther back than that for the last mass shooting in the US by a Trump fanatic, either.

phrodeau writes: "Minority unemployment rates started dropping in 2010, only one year after Obama took office. The trend continued into Trump’s term, but only at the same pace."

Seriously, phrodeau?

You're saying that it was Obama's plan all along to oversee a stagnant economy for eight-long-years with his economic policies only kicking in after he left office in January of 2017?

Well, at least it's not ONLY my posts where you see something completely different from what was written.

And NONE of what happened after that time can be attributed to the policies put into place by President Trump? Barack Obama was a complete ignoramus when it came to all things regarding economics & economic-growth!

The man has two Ivy League degrees, and he had hundreds of experts working for him. What are your qualifications?

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: All their states swung solidly to the Republicans at the presidential level, and eventually with respect to senators and representatives too.[/I]"

Four years before Ronald Reagan swept the entire south (except for Georgia) in 1980, Democratic Party candidate Jimmy Carter swept the entire south (except Virginia) in the exact same way that Democrats had been regularly doing since reconstruction. It was REAGAN who slammed the door on the Democrats winning elections in that region of our nation, not Nixon!

"Carter was the first nominee in decades from the Deep South, so he had a knack for connecting with Southern whites that other Democrats of the era lacked - including a lot of evangelical Christians who mostly didn't vote at all up to then, and who subsequently flipped to the Republicans."

People wrongly ASSUMED that Georgia's Governor Carter was a STRONG LEADER - it wasn't until he moved into the White House that they discovered that the man was WEAK! And while that might have been fine with most Democrats, it WASN'T acceptable to most AMERICANS! When Carter tried to run for re-election, he was first unsuccessfully challenged by Ted Kennedy for his own party's nomination, and then DESTROYED in November by Governor Reagan from California!

"Obama inherited the worst economy since the 1930s, and there was no way to undo all the damage as quickly as you're suggesting he should have."

BULLSHIT! - If President Obama had done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING our economy would have righted itself within a year or two, but using Rahm Emanuel's "never let a crisis go to waste" philosophy, Barack instead added $10-trillion to our debt on horrible investments (ever hear of Solyndra?) and so-called "shovel-ready jobs" that weren't jobs at all! He turned an economic downturn into eight-years of economic stagnation, all the while blaming Bush-43.

(about reparations): "Why do you consider it a terrible idea?"

I already answered that. Throwing trillions of dollars at a problem solves nothing (see: Barack Obama's economy). The Democratic Party thought that reparations was a terrible idea when they completely ignored bringing it up in 2009, and the only reason they're resurrecting it now is they're desperate not to lose the black vote in 2020 (they're losing it anyway!)

"I do think some student activists are going too far. But that doesn't reflect the mainstream left in any way."

OF COURSE they're going too far! They want SEGREGATION back! These are the very same student activists who wanted Bernie Sanders elected in 2016, with Bernie's destructive socialist agenda enacted here, the same way it's been tried in once-prosperous Venezuela!

"Sounds to me like you are, Dumpington. You certainly don't understand transsexualism, not if you think any of the above is remotely accurate."

You're dodging the issue. Yes or no - do you think it's okay for transgendered guys to compete with girls in basketball, track & field, golf, tennis, etc.?

"...the fact is, today's Republicans under Trump (and to a lesser extent before him) stand for open, unvarnished racism, sexism, xenophobia, Islamophobia, and - as you just demonstrated above - transphobia. I don't apologize for saying so."

And, as you yourself have noted, young liberal Democrats once again stand for SEGREGATION. Seriously, the modern Democratic Party is all about five basics: 1) pro-socialist; 2) pro-Islamic; 3) pro-abortion; 4) pro-illegals; and 5) pro-transgendered. Socialist economics strangle economic growth everywhere they've ever been tried. Islam is unapologetically anti-women's rights & anti-homosexual. Abortion is horrific (see: "Unplanned" - it's an excellent film!) Democrats NEED the votes of illegals to remain competitive. And once again: should transgendered guys play on the girls' basketball team? Yes or no?

"It wasn't Muslims or Jews who beat Matthew Shepard to a pulp and left him tied to a fence to die."

Islamic terrorists regularly commit mass-murder on a global scale, and so to defend them you bring up Matthew Shepard & James Byrd in some kind of a lame effort to claim a moral equivalency? NO Republicans or Christians ever applauded the wacko murderers of those guys, but Iran, Al Qaeda, ISIS, Hamas, & Hezbollah REGULARLY cheer on despicable acts of murder all over the world! And what is the one word that UNITES all of those above-mentioned terror groups? ISLAM!!!

(regarding Barack Obama): "The man has two Ivy League degrees, and he had hundreds of experts working for him. What are your qualifications?

His degrees were NOT in economics, were they? And he surrounded himself with liberal, anti-American socialists! And his intelligent & beautiful wife liked & admired Trump-hating Hollywood actor Jussie Smollett so much that she made some phone calls and got those racist hoax charges against him completely dropped! What a great gal!

 

[Rightguide]

BUSTED: Alabama GOPer facing 50 years in prison for illegally searching police records for dirt on primary opponents



Lawyer doing Law wrong?

Jack, you really have to learn how to talk.

 

[YDB95]

YDB95 writes: All their states swung solidly to the Republicans at the presidential level, and eventually with respect to senators and representatives too.[/I]"

Four years before Ronald Reagan swept the entire south (except for Georgia) in 1980, Democratic Party candidate Jimmy Carter swept the entire south (except Virginia) in the exact same way that Democrats had been regularly doing since reconstruction.

Which has nothing to do with the point we were debating.

It was REAGAN who slammed the door on the Democrats winning elections in that region of our nation, not Nixon!

Nixon did win the entire south in 1972, and not all the Southern states had been dependably Democratic since FDR. Incidentally, Ronald Reagan wasn't really twelve feet tall with laser vision, and he didn't charm the communists into submission with his smile either. Don't believe everything you hear about him on Fox News, okay?

"Carter was the first nominee in decades from the Deep South, so he had a knack for connecting with Southern whites that other Democrats of the era lacked - including a lot of evangelical Christians who mostly didn't vote at all up to then, and who subsequently flipped to the Republicans."

People wrongly ASSUMED that Georgia's Governor Carter was a STRONG LEADER - it wasn't until he moved into the White House that they discovered that the man was WEAK! And while that might have been fine with most Democrats, it WASN'T acceptable to most AMERICANS! When Carter tried to run for re-election, he was first unsuccessfully challenged by Ted Kennedy for his own party's nomination, and then DESTROYED in November by Governor Reagan from California!

Your question was about why Carter carried the South in 1976 in spite of the Southern strategy. Nothing you say here has anything to do with that.

"Obama inherited the worst economy since the 1930s, and there was no way to undo all the damage as quickly as you're suggesting he should have."

BULLSHIT! - If President Obama had done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING our economy would have righted itself within a year or two,

Like it did in 1932? Right.

but using Rahm Emanuel's "never let a crisis go to waste" philosophy, Barack instead added $10-trillion to our debt on horrible investments (ever hear of Solyndra?) and so-called "shovel-ready jobs" that weren't jobs at all!

The program under which Solyndra got a grant was profitable even when Solyndra posted a loss. No one gets the market right 100% of the time. That's why investing is sometimes extremely profitable - it's risky.

He turned an economic downturn into eight-years of economic stagnation, all the while blaming Bush-43.

Obama did that all by himself, did he? Do you think it might have had something to do with Mitch McConnell vowing not to let him accomplish anything? Besides, the economy did improve. That's a matter of public record.

(about reparations): "Why do you consider it a terrible idea?"

I already answered that. Throwing trillions of dollars at a problem solves nothing (see: Barack Obama's economy).

First of all, if the money is spent wisely, it absolutely CAN solve a problem. But reparations aren't "solving nothing" for the families of the slaves. They're a fair claim to money that was earned but never paid.

"I do think some student activists are going too far. But that doesn't reflect the mainstream left in any way."

OF COURSE they're going too far! They want SEGREGATION back! These are the very same student activists who wanted Bernie Sanders elected in 2016, with Bernie's destructive socialist agenda enacted here, the same way it's been tried in once-prosperous Venezuela!

You obviously don't know what the people you're talking about think of Sanders. They hate him.

"Sounds to me like you are, Dumpington. You certainly don't understand transsexualism, not if you think any of the above is remotely accurate."

You're dodging the issue. Yes or no - do you think it's okay for transgendered guys to compete with girls in basketball, track & field, golf, tennis, etc.?

They're not "transgendered guys". They're girls. Ergo, yes, it's okay for them to compete with other girls in any sport.

"...the fact is, today's Republicans under Trump (and to a lesser extent before him) stand for open, unvarnished racism, sexism, xenophobia, Islamophobia, and - as you just demonstrated above - transphobia. I don't apologize for saying so."

And, as you yourself have noted, young liberal Democrats once again stand for SEGREGATION.

No, I didn't say that. I said some young extremists stand for segregation. That would be like comparing all Republicans to Trump and his cult (which certainly explains why you interpreted it the way you did!).

Seriously, the modern Democratic Party is all about five basics: 1) economic fairness 2) religious tolerance 3) respecting a woman's decisions about her own body 4) treating human beings like human beings; and 5) recognizing that transwomen are women and transmen are men.

Fixed that for ya.

"It wasn't Muslims or Jews who beat Matthew Shepard to a pulp and left him tied to a fence to die."

Islamic terrorists regularly commit mass-murder on a global scale, and so to defend them you bring up Matthew Shepard & James Byrd in some kind of a lame effort to claim a moral equivalency? NO Republicans or Christians ever applauded the wacko murderers of those guys,

But they also refused to support any efforts to put a stop to such things happening again. Which is just as reprehensible.

 

[phrodeau]

Hang on... weren’t Matthew Shepard and James Byrd killed by American citizens? No illegal immigrants were involved?

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "Don't believe everything you hear about him on Fox News, okay?"

First, I don't watch FOX News, YDB95 - I don't have cable. Also, President Reagan left office in January of 1989, and FNC didn't even go on the air until October 7, 1996. Those were the days when CNN was still a respectable news network (and not yet the FAKE NEWS that they would become!)

"Your question was about why Carter carried the South in 1976 in spite of the Southern strategy."

I was simply pointing out that Jimmy Carter was BOTH the last Democrat to win the south AND the first Democrat to lose it!

"Like it did in 1932? Right"

Okay, the Great Depression of 1929 was FAR WORSE than anything that Barack Obama was forced to deal with in 2009 - but yes, FDR's socialist "New Deal" programs did nothing to end it, and almost certainly prolonged it! What actually got America out of the Great Depression was the Second World War! Suddenly, those things produced in our factories were once again in great demand worldwide!

"The program under which Solyndra got a grant was profitable even when Solyndra posted a loss. No one gets the market right 100% of the time. That's why investing is sometimes extremely profitable - it's risky."

AGREED - which is why you don't want an economic simpleton making $500-million investments with taxpayer money! Remember President Obama's speech where he actually told the private sector: "YOU didn't build that!" The man truly believed that it was the federal government that created jobs, and that the business community's concerns were secondary and not all that important.

"But reparations aren't "solving nothing" for the families of the slaves. They're a fair claim to money that was earned but never paid."

And everybody who has actually been a slave should be given reparations by those people who have actually OWNED slaves! And yes, slavery is STILL going on in several Islamic-ruled nations in Africa and the middle-east!

"They're not "transgendered guys". They're girls. Ergo, yes, it's okay for them to compete with other girls in any sport."

And you are talking about the complete destruction of women's athletics here in the United States. Teams that want bigger, stronger, & taller athletes will simply learn to stock-up on guys who believe themselves to be girls. It's already happening in some sports. Good-by Title IX!

"No, I didn't say that. I said some young extremists stand for segregation"

Those students who support #BlackLivesMatter and Antifa - and who vote for liberal, pro-socialist Democratic Party candidates - they are the NEW BREED of SEGREGATIONISTS in the United States, inheriting that party from a long line of proud Democrat segregationists (e.g. George Wallace, Lester Maddox, Robert Byrd, Al Gore, Sr., etc. etc. etc.) And the grown-ups in that party are too timid to tell them "no!"

phrodeau writes: "Hang on... weren’t Matthew Shepard and James Byrd killed by American citizens? No illegal immigrants were involved?"

Yes, phrodeau - for several decades now Islamic terrorists worldwide have used such tactics as arson, vehicle rampage attacks, bomb threats, suicide attacks, bombings, spree shootings, stabbings, hijackings, kidnappings and beheadings to terrorize billions of people - but a few non-Muslim criminal thugs in Wyoming murder Matthew Shepard and some Texas racists drag James Byrd to his death, and you claim some kind of MORAL EQUIVALANCE, is that it?

By the way, the conservative state of Texas executed the two guys convicted of dragging Byrd to his death (Lawrence Brewer and John King) using lethal injection. Texas conservatives don't mess around with murderous thugs.

Meanwhile, 2,996 people were murdered by Islamic terrorists on 9-11-01 (with tens of thousands more innocent people killed since that time in a host of other violent Muslim terror attacks), and you say "we're even," charging Republicans and/or Christians with having anything to do with the killings of Shepard & Byrd? Do you realize just how ABSURD you sound?

 

[phrodeau]

Islamists and illegal immigrants are slaughtering millions of good proper citizens. There are huge piles of corpses in the suburbs of sanctuary cities, where no press ever goes.

There’s absurd for you.

 

[Dumpington]

phrodeau writes: "Islamists and illegal immigrants are slaughtering millions of good proper citizens."

Under Islamic Sharia Law, phrodeau, you can be stoned-to-death for making a cartoon drawing of the prophet Muhammed. You think that's absurd? You think I'm making it up? I mean, NO MAJOR WORLD RELIGION is that primitive, am I right?

Back in 2005, a newspaper in Denmark (Jyllands-Posten) published 12 editorial cartoons depicting the prophet Muhammad, announcing that this was an attempt to contribute to the debate about criticism of Islam and self-censorship. Muslims worldwide immediately became enraged, leading to violent demonstrations and riots throughout the Islamic world, resulting in more than 200 reported deaths. There were violent attacks on Danish and other European diplomatic missions, attacks on churches and Christians, and a major international boycott. I'm SERIOUS, phrodeau - I'm NOT making this up!

And then, in 2010, Seattle cartoonist Molly Norris pushed for an "Everybody Draw Muhammed Day" in reaction to Internet death threats made against South Park animators Trey Parker and Matt Stone, who had depicted Muhammad in one of their episodes. In response, Yemeni-American al-Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki had put Molly Norris on a hitlist, and she was forced to change her name and go into hiding - right here in the United States!

Would YOU have the guts, phrodeau, to ever post a doodle of the prophet Muhammed? Or do you respect the "religion of peace" WAY TOO MUCH to ever do such a horrible, hateful thing?

"There are huge piles of corpses in the suburbs of sanctuary cities, where no press ever goes."

No, you've got that wrong - what you're trying to say, phrodeau, is that there are "huge piles of human excrement on the sidewalks of the sanctuary city of San Francisco," where the liberals running that (literal) sh*thole regularly allow their homeless population to do their business in public, to show the world how an advanced civilization run by modern Democrats can function & behave!

 

[phrodeau]

^^^Hasn’t read Leviticus.

 

[Dumpington]

phrodeau writes: "Hasn’t read Leviticus."

So what, phrodeau?

Is this your pathetic little attempt to attack the Judeo-Christian Bible? How many Jews or Christians have launched orchestrated terrorist attacks over the past twenty years, with other Jews & or Christians applauding their actions? Answer: NONE!

And how many MUSLIM terrorist attacks have we witnessed in that same time period, openly applauded & cheered on by Islamic clerics and/or those nations ruled by violent Islamic theocracies like Iran? Answer: THOUSANDS!

Or are you now claiming the book of Leviticus to be a central tenet of the Islamic Koran?

The truth is, phrodeau, you want to shield & protect Islam from criticism, and turn that criticism instead against Christianity, and the several hundred years of Judeo-Christian laws & traditions that have created western civilization. You view western civilization as being way too pro-Republican - although deep down, you fully agree with me that Islam is both primitive & barbaric, but you can't openly admit as much as such an admission goes against what the modern Democratic Party represents with its LAME efforts to claim that Islam is "woven into the fabric of American history" - I think it was Obama who said that!

But you'll engage in your pathetic attempts to construct a lame moral equivalency, because that's all you've got.

 

[phrodeau]

Do you think a book of holy scripture sacred to the Jewish people can be so trivialized? How dare you.

 

[Dumpington]

phrodeau writes: "Do you think a book of holy scripture sacred to the Jewish people can be so trivialized? How dare you."

I support the state of Israel, phrodeau - can YOU say the same thing?

Of course you can't - your fellow-liberals would tear you apart if you did! Meanwhile, I support ALL of the books in the Judeo-Christian Bible, including the book of Leviticus, whereas you only mention that book in a lame effort to score some cheap political points.

Yes or no, phrodeau - was the prophet Muhammed full of sh*t with all of his racist, hate-filled orders to faithful Muslims to enslave and kill all infidels who refuse to accept Allah (and Muhammed as his prophet?) Or are you going to limit all of your mockery to Judeo-Christian beliefs & traditions, because the modern Democratic Party admires, fears, & respects Islam way too much to ever object to any of the central tenets of that increasingly violent religion?

I'm just playing with you, man - of course you can't answer that question! NO Democrat can! Your party desperately NEEDS the support of Muslims & illegals to make up for the blue-collar & Christian black voters leaving your party in droves!

 

[YDB95]

YDB95 writes: "Don't believe everything you hear about him on Fox News, okay?"

First, I don't watch FOX News, YDB95 - I don't have cable. Also, President Reagan left office in January of 1989, and FNC didn't even go on the air until October 7, 1996. Those were the days when CNN was still a respectable news network (and not yet the FAKE NEWS that they would become!)

The point is, the conservative media - of which Fox News is simply the most prominent example - has done a LOT to puff up the image of Ronald Reagan as a demigod, and your own attitude reflects that you've been hearing a lot of that bullshit somewhere, even if it wasn't Fox News.

"Your question was about why Carter carried the South in 1976 in spite of the Southern strategy."

I was simply pointing out that Jimmy Carter was BOTH the last Democrat to win the south AND the first Democrat to lose it!

Which has nothing to do with the issue at hand - and it's false to boot. Since he carried all but one Southern state and no Democrat since then has carried more than four of them, it's fair to say he was "the last Democrat to win the South". But he was not the first to lose it. It had been slipping away from the national Democratic party (as opposed to the Dixiecrats) since 1948.

"Like it did in 1932? Right"

Okay, the Great Depression of 1929 was FAR WORSE than anything that Barack Obama was forced to deal with in 2009 - but yes, FDR's socialist "New Deal" programs did nothing to end it, and almost certainly prolonged it!

That simply isn't true. The economy recovered steadily until 1938, when FDR made the mistake of listening to the deficit hawks of the era, which triggered a second downturn.

"The program under which Solyndra got a grant was profitable even when Solyndra posted a loss. No one gets the market right 100% of the time. That's why investing is sometimes extremely profitable - it's risky."

AGREED - which is why you don't want an economic simpleton making $500-million investments with taxpayer money! Remember President Obama's speech where he actually told the private sector: "YOU didn't build that!" The man truly believed that it was the federal government that created jobs, and that the business community's concerns were secondary and not all that important.

By "that", Obama meant the infrastructure (roads, power grid) on which companies are built and a work force with the necessary skills to do the jobs entrepreneurs create. That was patently obvious to anyone who actually listened to his speech or read a transcript of it. But I feel completely safe in assuming you did neither.

And he was right. No one person can claim to have genuinely built anything completely from scratch, and the idea that this could somehow be done if only the government got out of the way is not only false, it's dangerous.

"But reparations aren't "solving nothing" for the families of the slaves. They're a fair claim to money that was earned but never paid."

And everybody who has actually been a slave should be given reparations by those people who have actually OWNED slaves! And yes, slavery is STILL going on in several Islamic-ruled nations in Africa and the middle-east!

Yes, slavery still happens in places over which the US government has no authority whatsoever. But that's beside the point. If I'm reading you right, you're saying the descendants of the slaves have no right to reparations because they aren't the ones who are enslaved. Fair enough, but I do disagree.

"They're not "transgendered guys". They're girls. Ergo, yes, it's okay for them to compete with other girls in any sport."

And you are talking about the complete destruction of women's athletics here in the United States. Teams that want bigger, stronger, & taller athletes will simply learn to stock-up on guys who believe themselves to be girls. It's already happening in some sports. Good-by Title IX!

First of all, people like you mostly hated Title IX in the first place, so it's more than a little bit cynical for you to imply that you care about it at this point. But more importantly, it is NOT a matter of "guys who believe themselves to be girls". The only people making it out to be that way are the bigots. (Feel free to provide an example of a boy claiming to be a girl just to get on a girls' team. Maybe they're all in the same place as your evidence of illegal voting in California?)

"No, I didn't say that. I said some young extremists stand for segregation"

Those students who support #BlackLivesMatter and Antifa - and who vote for liberal, pro-socialist Democratic Party candidates - they are the NEW BREED of SEGREGATIONISTS in the United States, inheriting that party from a long line of proud Democrat segregationists (e.g. George Wallace, Lester Maddox, Robert Byrd, Al Gore, Sr., etc. etc. etc.) And the grown-ups in that party are too timid to tell them "no!"

And you wonder why I thought you were a Fox news addict!

phrodeau writes: "Hang on... weren’t Matthew Shepard and James Byrd killed by American citizens? No illegal immigrants were involved?"

Yes, phrodeau - for several decades now Islamic terrorists worldwide have used such tactics as arson, vehicle rampage attacks, bomb threats, suicide attacks, bombings, spree shootings, stabbings, hijackings, kidnappings and beheadings to terrorize billions of people - but a few non-Muslim criminal thugs in Wyoming murder Matthew Shepard and some Texas racists drag James Byrd to his death, and you claim some kind of MORAL EQUIVALANCE, is that it?

Not to speak for Phrodeau, but I didn't see that at all.

By the way, the conservative state of Texas executed the two guys convicted of dragging Byrd to his death (Lawrence Brewer and John King) using lethal injection. Texas conservatives don't mess around with murderous thugs.

Yes, and most Republicans - including all Texas Republicans - voted against the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009. (All Texas Democrats voted yes, if you're wondering.)

Meanwhile, 2,996 people were murdered by Islamic terrorists on 9-11-01 (with tens of thousands more innocent people killed since that time in a host of other violent Muslim terror attacks), and you say "we're even," charging Republicans and/or Christians with having anything to do with the killings of Shepard & Byrd? Do you realize just how ABSURD you sound?

It certainly would be absurd if anyone had said that.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: The point is, the conservative media - of which Fox News is simply the most prominent example - has done a LOT to puff up the image of Ronald Reagan as a demigod, and your own attitude reflects that you've been hearing a lot of that bullshit somewhere, even if it wasn't Fox News.[/I]"

Love him or hate him, Ronald Reagan's presidency was amazingly successful, and he was definitely one of the most popular presidents of the 20th century, whether or not you care to admit as much.

"It had been slipping away from the national Democratic party (as opposed to the Dixiecrats) since 1948."

The Dixiecrats were just another name for segregationist southern Democrats. As the Republican Party became more & more entrenched in the American south, that region grew in both prosperity & population, and is today a vibrant, rapidly-growing part of our nation (as opposed to the Democratic Party-dominated northeast, which continues to shrink with fewer electoral votes every ten years!)

"...when FDR made the mistake of listening to the deficit hawks of the era, which triggered a second downturn."

Now you're beginning to sound like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, arguing that a little more socialism fixes everything! FDR's big government solutions did NOT end the great depression, and if they HAD he would never have listened to any so-called "deficit hawks" - no, American industry re-bounded when World War II turned our nation into the "Arsenal of Democracy," and our factories began once again hiring like mad!

"No one person can claim to have genuinely built anything completely from scratch, and the idea that this could somehow be done if only the government got out of the way is not only false, it's dangerous."

Oh, come on! Be serious! Barack Obama was simply trying to belittle the private sector and pretend instead that his vision of bigger government would make everything better. He wanted MORE Americans dependent on government hand-outs, becoming the FOOD STAMPS president while killing jobs-growth with his deeply flawed health care bill (that ALSO killed Democratic Party legislative power!)

"If I'm reading you right, you're saying the descendants of the slaves have no right to reparations because they aren't the ones who are enslaved. Fair enough, but I do disagree."

Have you ever watched the 2002 film, "Barbershop?" It was a popular film, but Jesse Jackson hated it because there's a line in it where the old barber named Eddie (played by Cedric the Entertainer) shouts out: "Fuck Jesse Jackson!" - to uproarious applause!

There's another great scene where Eddie says: "There are three things that Black people need to tell the truth about. Number one: Rodney King should've gotten his ass beat for being drunk in a Hyundai in a white part of Los Angeles. Number two: O.J. did it! And number three: Rosa Parks didn't do nuthin' but sit her Black ass down!" When another old black customer named Jimmy disagrees with him, the dialogue continues:

Jimmy: "Eddie, not only is what you're saying not true, it is wrong and disrespectful for you to discuss Rosa Parks in that way."

Eddie: "Wait, hold on here. Is this a barbershop? Is this a barbershop? If we can't talk straight in a barbershop, then where can we talk straight? We can't talk straight nowhere else. You know, this ain't nothin' but healthy conversation, that's all."

And yes, as the scene continues, they also discuss REPARATIONS - and once again common sense prevails. One customer mentions how reparations would only make Cadillac the biggest car dealership in America, while another regular asks, what is welfare? What are food stamps? Aren't these decades of government hand-outs ALL forms of reparations? It's a great movie! I highly recommend you watch it sometime!

"...it is NOT a matter of "guys who believe themselves to be girls". The only people making it out to be that way are the bigots."

There are already several transgendered men who are competing on women's teams. If I hated Title IX it wouldn't bother me. Liberals hate seeing men overpowering women is sports that are supposed to be reserved for girls-only, but they're WAY too afraid of political correctness to speak out. And so they watch as women's athletics steadily deteriorate while calling those who point this out "bigots!"

"And you wonder why I thought you were a Fox news addict!"

You're dodging the issue again. Is SEGREGATION a good thing, yes or no? I'm going to say NO!

"Yes, and most Republicans - including all Texas Republicans - voted against the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009."

And it was the Republican Governor of Texas who had those racist killers of James Bryd executed using lethal injection. Surprisingly, many liberal Democrats didn't approve of that kind of treatment for killers who would drag a man to his death.

"It certainly would be absurd if anyone had said that."

Yeah, phrodeau says a LOT of things that are patently absurd in defense of Islamic terrorists.