Alberta cleared for separation referendum.

[phtlc]

the one thing in politics that right wingers in canada and in usa both have in common is that they both do not like left wingers

I really think the terms left and right tend to be relative, along with conservative and liberal. In Canada our conservative party is nothing like MAGA (despite how much the liberal party tries to portray them). As a rule I do not dislike people for their political opinions even if I disagree with them. I do however have a very hard time understanding how someone in Canada could in good faith vote liberal (or NDP for that matter), but I do not hate people for the party they choose.

 

[phtlc]

Has no one considered the VIABILITY of an independent Alberta, as a landlocked oil state?

This is my biggest issue with this. I think western Canada would be better off separating, but Alberta on it's own will be at a huge disadvantage without access to ports.

 

[TastySuckToy]

This is my biggest issue with this. I think western Canada would be better off separating, but Alberta on it's own will be at a huge disadvantage without access to ports.

If Alberta is an independent state, do you really think BC would try blocking Alberta port access? What is BC going to do when Alberta responds with "ok, we're shutting off the fuel flow to your province and denying your goods passage through our borders".

BC would fold like wet tissue paper.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

If Alberta is an independent state, do you really think BC would try blocking Alberta port access? What is BC going to do when Alberta responds with "ok, we're shutting off the fuel flow to your province and denying your goods passage through our borders".

BC would fold like wet tissue paper.

Alberta isn't going anywhere you trumptard faggot. Move to the US with the rest of the ignorant maga pedos.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Alberta isn't going anywhere

We'll let Albertans decide.

 

[rgraham666]

Since this has come up again I have some questions for the Alberta separatists.

First.

What form of government will you have? Are you gong to continue with the British Parliamentary system complete with a Governor General representing the crown?

Or will it be something similar to the US system with an separate legislative and executive branch? Will it be some other form of democratic government?

If the government remains some form of democracy how will the franchise be determined? What will limit the power to vote and hold office?

Or is the government going to be authoritarian? If so, what sort of authoritarian government? Will it be some sort of corporatism like Italy was under Mussolini? Will it have a Council of Ministers Like the Soviet Union? Will it be a monarchy of some description? Or will it simply be a strong man government it the whims of a single dictator?

Next.

Currency. What will the sovereign nation of Alberta use for money? It can't continue using the Canadian dollar.

Will Alberta issue its own currency? How will it print that currency? How will it handle the changeover? What will the exchange rates of that currency be in international markets?

Now.

Defence.

Will the new nation have its own Department of Defence, or will it depend on Canada for this? If neither will it look to the States to defend it?

If independent what will it use for weapons? Will it buy new ones? Or seize any Canadian weapons on its territory?

What will it use for intelligence gathering? Again, will it depend on Canada or the US, or form its own? How far will that intelligence reach? What will be its chief concerns?

I have a lot more questions but this is a good start.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Since this has come up again I have some questions for the Alberta separatists.

Be reasonable. Separatists don’t want to actually govern; they just enjoy ranting.

 

[TastySuckToy]

*snip*

Here's a good jumping off point to start answering your questions:

https://albertaprosperityproject.com/faq/

 

[rgraham666]

One question answered. In the APP's opinion Alberta will be a 'constitutional republic'. I did read part of the statement about that in this manner though.

Put simply, the APP is proposing Alberta become a constitutional republic because a republic is the safest, freest, strongest, and best way to protect the Albertan’s power. dignities, and home.

But that's just me. My brain replaces the words rights and freedom with power. Because that is usually a more accurate word.

I do note that the Constitution of Alberta is currently vapourware though. It will be interesting to see who will be allowed to participate in the 'constitutional convention' that will occur 'any day now'. I'm betting no one that thinks Alberta should stay in Canada will be allowed to attend.

One thing stood out though.

Will Alberta be part of the WEF: No. The APP does not ascribe to the WEF’s values, agenda, or purpose.
Will Alberta be Part of the WHO: No. The APP does not ascribe to the WHO’s values, agenda, or purpose.
Will Alberta be Part of the UN: No. The APP does not ascribe to the UN’s values, agenda, or purpose.

This raises the questions: Why not? What are 'Alberta's values, agenda, or purpose'?

Other than the vague promise of a 'constitutional republic' none of my questions were answered though.

 

[rgraham666]

Be reasonable. Separatists don’t want to actually govern; they just enjoy ranting.

Yeah. Every one I've encountered appears to be an anger addict.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Let's not forget the fact that the shit for brains OP was wrong again.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Let's not forget the fact that the shit for brains OP was wrong again.

I think we have to stop acting shocked when ish or any other maga dipshit says something completely ignorant.

It's in their DNA to be retarded.

 

[briancamdudetenger2018]

Quebec is not looking to separate. They just like using the threat of separation to make the rest of Canada jump when they snap their fingers.

quebec has been trying to seperate from canada since who knows how long

they had 2 referandoms and the pure quebecers who want to split from canada lost both of the elections referandoms in 1981 and in 1994

 

[briancamdudetenger2018]

I really think the terms left and right tend to be relative, along with conservative and liberal. In Canada our conservative party is nothing like MAGA (despite how much the liberal party tries to portray them). As a rule I do not dislike people for their political opinions even if I disagree with them. I do however have a very hard time understanding how someone in Canada could in good faith vote liberal (or NDP for that matter), but I do not hate people for the party they choose.

i am from canada lol

and yeah our conservative party in canada is not like the trumpublians

but we do have many other right wing poltical parties across canada that are like the trumpublican party like the ppc

 

[phtlc]

quebec has been trying to seperate from canada since who knows how long

they had 2 referandoms and the pure quebecers who want to split from canada lost both of the elections referandoms in 1981 and in 1994

They have been bluffing

 

[rgraham666]

Looks like Alberta separatist has put me on ignore.

Not a surprise.

 

[Iluv17]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...technical-recession-for-first-time-since-2020

 

[TastySuckToy]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...technical-recession-for-first-time-since-2020View attachment 2630220

Canada's absurd state is just more fuel for Alberta separation and independence.

 

[badbabysitter]

They have been bluffing

They have been failing, and this will be no different. Assuming this farce ever gets to the national referendum stage, how much support do you think it will be honestly getting to pass the vote

 

[Baztrachian]

This is my biggest issue with this. I think western Canada would be better off separating, but Alberta on it's own will be at a huge disadvantage without access to ports.

Alberta has a border with the USA. That alone constitutes a port.

Also, if Canada restricts Alberta's access then that shit works both ways. Hope those fucks in Ottawa enjoy flying around Alberta when Alberta closes rail and air access to the ROC.

 

[badbabysitter]

If Alberta is an independent state, do you really think BC would try blocking Alberta port access? What is BC going to do when Alberta responds with "ok, we're shutting off the fuel flow to your province and denying your goods passage through our borders".

BC would fold like wet tissue paper.

They would probably just continue using the pipelines that already exist in BC, just saying

 

[Baztrachian]

This raises the questions: Why not? What are 'Alberta's values, agenda, or purpose'?

And your lack of understanding at even the level of vague perception underlines the alienation of Alberta by the ROC that has brought things to a breaking point.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Alberta has a border with the USA. That alone constitutes a port.

Also, if Canada restricts Alberta's access then that shit works both ways. Hope those fucks in Ottawa enjoy flying around Alberta when Alberta closes rail and air access to the ROC.

Not to mention that Alberta will have a much more positive and productive relationship with the US. There's even talk that the US may accept an exchange rate of 1:1 for Alberta switching to US currency along with new deals and trade relationships better for both.

They would probably just continue using the pipelines that already exist in BC, just saying

Existing pipelines in BC mean squat when they don't remotely have the refining and production capacity to meet their own needs. Alberta shutting off taps to BC is a trump card BC cannot counter if they try playing hardball.

 

[badbabysitter]

Not to mention that Alberta will have a much more positive and productive relationship with the US. There's even talk that the US may accept an exchange rate of 1:1 for Alberta switching to US currency along with new deals and trade relationships better for both.

Existing pipelines in BC mean squat when they don't remotely have the refining and production capacity to meet their own needs. Alberta shutting off taps to BC is a trump card BC cannot counter if they try playing hardball.

You seem to think leverage only works one way, which is cute. If you cant sell a product, you dont get paid. If this magical seperation ever happens, it won't be BC that Alberta is negotiating with to access BC ports, it will be Canada. Alberta doesnt grow enough food to feed its people, or water enough to slake their first. No port access, no railway access , road access or air, and as for trade trade south...which you would also have to negotiate with the US

 

[TastySuckToy]

You seem to think leverage only works one way, which is cute. If you cant sell a product, you dont get paid. If this magical seperation ever happens, it won't be BC that Alberta is negotiating with to access BC ports, it will be Canada. Alberta doesnt grow enough food to feed its people, or water enough to slake their first. No port access, no railway access , road access or air, and as for trade trade south...which you would also have to negotiate with the US

The premise isn't that Alberta starts an access to goods distribution battle; it's that Alberta will have far greater teeth to fight one.