Alberta cleared for separation referendum.

[badbabysitter]

The premise isn't that Alberta starts an access to goods distribution battle; it's that Alberta will have far greater teeth to fight one.

How? It doesnt matter if you have teeth , if the only thing the mouth those teeth are in wants is food...you simply do not have the high ground

 

[TastySuckToy]

How? It doesnt matter if you have teeth , if the only thing the mouth those teeth are in wants is food...you simply do not have the high ground

I recommend your correct your misconception on Alberta's food production capabilities. Alberta produces a massive surplus of food that it exports:

• Meat & Dairy: Alberta produces roughly 68% of Canada's beef and is a major exporter of pork and dairy products.
• Grains & Pulses: The province accounts for nearly one-third of Canadian wheat and nearly half of its barley production.
• Staples: It is also a massive producer of canola, potatoes, and honey.

You don't seem to be grasping just how big a contributor Alberta is to Canada and as a province representing Canada. Combined with a very positive relationship with the US, Alberta would make the rest of Canada squeal uncle very quickly.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Alberta isn't going anywhere.

Anyone who thinks, or wishes otherwise is an imbecile

 

[rgraham666]

I recommend your correct your misconception on Alberta's food production capabilities. Alberta produces a massive surplus of food that it exports:

• Meat & Dairy: Alberta produces roughly 68% of Canada's beef and is a major exporter of pork and dairy products.
• Grains & Pulses: The province accounts for nearly one-third of Canadian wheat and nearly half of its barley production.
• Staples: It is also a massive producer of canola, potatoes, and honey.

You don't seem to be grasping just how big a contributor Alberta is to Canada and as a province representing Canada. Combined with a very positive relationship with the US, Alberta would make the rest of Canada squeal uncle very quickly.

Guess you're going to be eating those things and nothing else. And can Alberta process those things in quantity to feed its people?

Also, Holy crap! You talk like you're at war with Canada! That's going to work well with negotiations.

Still not going to answer any more of my questions, are you? I'm especially interested on your answer to my currency question.

 

[rgraham666]

And your lack of understanding at even the level of vague perception underlines the alienation of Alberta by the ROC that has brought things to a breaking point.

So, you can't explain it either?

 

[TastySuckToy]

Guess you're going to be eating those things and nothing else. And can Alberta process those things in quantity to feed its people?

I actually don't expect serious trade and economic conflict between Canada and Alberta. I merely pointed out an independent Alberta has plenty of teeth, and in fact more strength, negotiating as an independent country.

Also, Holy crap! You talk like you're at war with Canada! That's going to work well with negotiations.

More like war with the Canadian government; hence the goal of separating and obtaining independence from it.

Still not going to answer any more of my questions, are you? I'm especially interested on your answer to my currency question.

I already voluntarily and in good faith gave you a good starting point to answering your questions. This doesn't bind me to you demanding I work to answer you on anything or everything else.

If you really care about the answers, look them up. No one is obligated to spoon feed information you.

 

[HisArpy]

I recommend your correct your misconception on Alberta's food production capabilities. Alberta produces a massive surplus of food that it exports:

• Meat & Dairy: Alberta produces roughly 68% of Canada's beef and is a major exporter of pork and dairy products.
• Grains & Pulses: The province accounts for nearly one-third of Canadian wheat and nearly half of its barley production.
• Staples: It is also a massive producer of canola, potatoes, and honey.

You don't seem to be grasping just how big a contributor Alberta is to Canada and as a province representing Canada. Combined with a very positive relationship with the US, Alberta would make the rest of Canada squeal uncle very quickly.

This is the second time that one has asserted that a society doesn't grow enough food to feed its own people. It's also the second time that one has been wrong about it.

These are standard lines used by socialists trying to gain a foothold in a political discussion.

 

[rgraham666]

I actually don't expect serious trade and economic conflict between Canada and Alberta. I merely pointed out an independent Alberta has plenty of teeth, and in fact more strength, negotiating as an independent country.

More like war with the Canadian government; hence the goal of separating and obtaining independence from it.

I already voluntarily and in good faith gave you a good starting point to answering your questions. This doesn't bind me to you demanding I work to answer you on anything or everything else.

If you really care about the answers, look them up. No one is obligated to spoon feed information you.

That took less time than I thought.

Your 'starting point' answered only one of my questions and very vaguely at that. I'm not asking questions to learn answers. I'm asking questions to see if you know them, or have even considered them. Clearly, you have not.

And how is the government of Canada different from the nation of Canada? How will your policies and actions not affect Canadians? War doesn't work that way. Innocents

This whole separation thing, in my opinion, is just a temper tantrum. "We're not a powerful as we'd like to be! This sucks. We'll be more powerful if we aren't part of Canada!"

News for you. On the world stage you'll be much less powerful if not part of Canada. And since you won't be part of any international organizations you'll be less powerful still.

But, I believe, your interest in an independent Alberta is that in such a place you will be allowed to hurt people you believe need hurting without consequence.

 

[TastySuckToy]

I'm not asking questions to learn answers.

That's what I figured.

 

[HisArpy]

That's what I figured.

He already has the answer to every question; Trump.

 

[rgraham666]

That's what I figured.

You don't have the answers either. That was my point.

Which went over your head. No surprise there. To quote Michael A. Stackpole, "You are prepared to conquer but not to rule."

 

[Baztrachian]

So, you can't explain it either?

I was up in Fort Mac for the fires in May 2016. I'd been at the airport helping to set up seismic monitors when the fire started.

Myself and my team got the fuck out of there no problem. We flew out at around 2pm and the fuckwits in the government didn't put out an alarm until 10pm. Eight hours later. That was a colossal clusterfuck all on its own.

After the fires were put out the motherfuckers in the RCMP went in to the evacuated areas, broke into people's homes, and searched for and seized firearms without a warrant. Then they didn't give the arms back until a court ordered them to and then the arms were all rusted. They'd been put in barrels filled with salt water to destroy them.

Right there is where the Alberta sovereignty movement started.

The equalization payments aren't helping either. Excuse me while I say FUCK QUEBEC.

Fun story:

Back in the early 1990's the wife and I took a trip to Victoria. She wanted to see Butchart Gardens. I wanted to catch up with some friends at Esquimalt.

While waiting in line one morning to get breakfast at the McDonald's on Douglas there was some asshole screaming at the little girl (16 or so) at the cash register. In French. No one was doing anything about it.

At the time I was unaware how special the fuckers from Quebec were so I stepped up and asked him his problem.

Stupid bastard got in my face and I introduced him to the floor.

The Vic PD showed up, asked some questions, and then sent the stupid fuck off to get his face fixed.

My point, and I do have one, is that these ungrateful pricks lord it over everyone in Canada with their fucking language and then they don't even exhibit the least bit of gratitude when they steal billions from Alberta to keep their filthy fucking shithole province afloat.

Yeah, that tends to rack people off and I expect the Albertans to express their displeasure by leaving a country whose last PM denied the existence of a Canadian identity.

Since it isn't really a country, per Fidel Castro's bastard son, then who cares if Alberta goes their own way?

Oh, that's right, Ontario and Quebec want the money. Well, fuck 'em. They'll have to earn their own money after this.

It'll be fun to see GTA pay for their train and subway projects without the cash coming in from the Prairie.

 

[TastySuckToy]

You don't have the answers either.

All my questions have been answered, that's why I'm onboard with Alberta independence and will vote for it every time.

 

[rgraham666]

After the fires were put out the motherfuckers in the RCMP went in to the evacuated areas, broke into people's homes, and searched for and seized firearms without a warrant. Then they didn't give the arms back until a court ordered them to and then the arms were all rusted. They'd been put in barrels filled with salt water to destroy them.

Y'all got a cite for that?

Fun story:

Back in the early 1990's the wife and I took a trip to Victoria. She wanted to see Butchart Gardens. I wanted to catch up with some friends at Esquimalt.

While waiting in line one morning to get breakfast at the McDonald's on Douglas there was some asshole screaming at the little girl (16 or so) at the cash register. In French. No one was doing anything about it.

At the time I was unaware how special the fuckers from Quebec were so I stepped up and asked him his problem.

Stupid bastard got in my face and I introduced him to the floor.

The Vic PD showed up, asked some questions, and then sent the stupid fuck off to get his face fixed.

So, one person who spoke French and was an asshole about it means all Quebecois are assholes? Also, if a person in Quebec insisted on speaking English as was an asshole about it, would it be okay for someone to cold cock him?

My point, and I do have one, is that these ungrateful pricks lord it over everyone in Canada with their fucking language and then they don't even exhibit the least bit of gratitude when they steal billions from Alberta to keep their filthy fucking shithole province afloat.

Once again, I'm going to need a cite for that.

Yeah, that tends to rack people off and I expect the Albertans to express their displeasure by leaving a country whose last PM denied the existence of a Canadian identity.

Since it isn't really a country, per Fidel Castro's bastard son, then who cares if Alberta goes their own way?

I'm definitely going to need some proof that Justin Trudeau is Fidel Castro's son. Personally it sounds like the paranoid bullshit that the authoritarians and barbarians masquerading as conservatives throw about to excuse their cruelty.

Oh, that's right, Ontario and Quebec want the money. Well, fuck 'em. They'll have to earn their own money after this.

It'll be fun to see GTA pay for their train and subway projects without the cash coming in from the Prairie.

Last I looked Ontario paid into the equalization program as well.

Since you post was to explain to me what 'Alberta's values' are I've come to the conclusion that those values are fear, anger, and hate. Sad to see you live you life that way.

 

[rgraham666]

All my questions have been answered, that's why I'm onboard with Alberta independence and will vote for it every time.

Answers without questions are worse than useless.

 

[73Seahawks]

Gut Feeling Prediction: This referendum is non-binding and will NOT be successful.

 

[rgraham666]

That will just embolden the separatists to form their own version of the FLQ.

Except they'll be anarchist, excuse me, libertarian, rather than socialist.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Answers without questions are worse than useless.

Government without representation is worse than useless.

 

[rgraham666]

Government without representation is worse than useless.

By 'representation' you mean 'The government must do exactly what I want all the time!'

Grow up.

 

[jhenry922]

Going to be fun to watch this unfold you bet. There is a handshake deal in place that upon successful passing of the referendum the US will extend the new nation of Alberta a $500 billion line of credit secured by their oil reserves. This gives Alberta significant leverage in negotiations with Ottawa.

You go Carney "the great uniter". LMAO

Support is currently hovering at 17%. I would call that tepid.

 

[HisArpy]

By 'representation' you mean 'The government must do exactly what I want all the time!'

The very definition of "representative government" where the government obeys the will of the people instead of lining their pockets at taxpayer expense and punishing the people for not liking it.

 

[TastySuckToy]

By 'representation' you mean 'The government must do exactly what I want all the time!'

I find it odd that you actually think the government doing what the people want is a controversial position.

 

[rgraham666]

I find it odd that you actually think the government doing what the people want is a controversial position.

You aren't 'the people'.

 

[TastySuckToy]

You aren't 'the people'.

Never claimed to be. Do you always strawman what others say?