All Republicans should read this article

[The_Trouvere]

I see he's still trying to push "The Bell Curve" as if it hasn't been debunked nine ways to Sunday.

How has The Bell Curve been debunked? Where is the evidence of innate racial equality?

No Child Left Behind left most black children behind because Charles Murray was right about them? It does not matter how they are educated.

 

[The_Trouvere]

No, it is not true that most of the poor could improve their circumstances if they applied themselves, but that is because of social circumstances, not heredity.

If that is true why did the war on poverty fail?

Don't tell me it was not financed well enough. Why did it have the opposite effects intended for it? It did not turn poor people into a stable working class. It changed them into unemployable welfare recipients who frequently reinforce their welfare checks with the gains from criminal activities.

The great majority of the poor are biologically superfluous. They are being left behind by an increasingly competitive economy that demands high IQ's.

 

[phrodeau]

If that is true why did the war on poverty fail?

Don't tell me it was not financed well enough. Why did it have the opposite effects intended for it? It did not turn poor people into a stable working class. It changed them into unemployable welfare recipients who frequently reinforce their welfare checks with the gains from criminal activities.

The great majority of the poor are biologically superfluous. They are being left behind by an increasingly competitive economy that demands high IQ's.

You can find the reasons inside your own prejudiced skull.

"The Bell Curve" missed or chose to ignore the effect of systematic society-deep prejudices. I think you do too.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

socialism ... because working is to hard

 

[BotanyBoy]

If that is true why did the war on poverty fail?

Because we shipped our entire manufacturing base to a place where worker abuse and environmental destruction are totally cool.

The great majority of the poor are biologically superfluous.

REALLY?? Oh do tell then.....how exactly did you come to the conclusion that the poor are "biologically superfluous" (which is funny because going off how you use the term it's pretty obvious you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about)?? Find a poor gene?? On what chromosome?

What empirical evidence have you that the poor are "biologically superfluous" ? The entire scientific community is ready to hand you a Nobel Prize....all you gotta do is prove your bull fucking shit lies.

They are being left behind by an increasingly competitive economy that demands high IQ's.

No they aren't, greedy corporations paid politicians to send there jobs to a commie state that would sell them slave labor.

 

[KingOrfeo]

If that is true why did the war on poverty fail?

It did not fail. It significantly reduced poverty in America. It could have done better, but the Vietnam War drained the funding and then came Nixon.

Programs launched by Johnson through his Great Society initiative include:
Head Start Program
Higher Education Act of 1965
Job Corps
Samuel Jefferson Mason
Model Cities Program
NASA Art Program
Bilingual Education Act
Community Action Agencies
Economic Opportunity Act of 1964
Elementary and Secondary Education
National Endowment for the Arts
National Endowment for the Humanities
Office of Economic Opportunity
Teacher Corps
Project Follow Through
Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program
Upward Bound

For years conservatives have attacked Johnson for this "failed" initiative, but poverty dropped from 20% when he took office to 12% when he left. It clearly worked among the black community with a drop from 55% in 1960 to 27% in 1968. It was also the last time the Gini coefficient was less than .400 (still high today for the West) in the United States.[2] Not exactly a "failure," if anything staunch success by a rational estimate, but conservatives will never see fact with these estimates.

 

[Sean Renaud]

No Child Left Behind was bad policy plain and simple. "You're failing so I take your funding!" It's not as if most parents have a lot of control over where their kids go to school. And despite the free market madness vouchers wouldn't change that by much. (Not without tons of extra funding anyway.) Everybody that grew up around me, everybody that I know with kids today has both parents working. So picking up and dropping off the kid at a distant school is. . .complicated at best and buses work because of the limited number of choices.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Say, what happened to vetteman? Haven't seen him around in a while. This thread is just his thing.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Say, what happened to vetteman? Haven't seen him around in a while. This thread is just his thing.

I think he ate a live baby while kicking a puppy down a flight of stairs or something. All I know is Laurel gave him boot, all his posts have been turned to frogs and he hasn't been back a few weeks.

 

[tw_holt]

I'm glad I vote 3rd party.

It's not about winning: http://www.quickmeme.com/img/69/6965f101c112540f4f5154c0631551c5a3e1278af5b31a1f5fc762447a1b3234.jpg

 

[Sean Renaud]

First, of course it's about winning. Second and possibly more importantly you won't send a message at all.

 

[tw_holt]

The message is that I wont continue to vote for the same repub/demo garbage (more war, more debt, more lies, more government, less freedom). I instead vote 3rd party, something different than the corrupt repubs and demos. Will a 3rd party candidate win? Of course not. They arent bought by big banks and corporations. Will my vote for them be discarded? Probably. But ill sleep better that night knowing I didn't vote for the repub/demo winner who will make zero significant changes.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Well we do kinda need more government but that being not the point I guess if it helps you sleep at night go for it. I only bother to vote if there is something local that I give a fuck about or the governor is up. Otherwise I'm a fucking Californian I might bother if the Senators had to run in a primary but otherwise that and the Presidential are a foregone conclusion. To top it off my country has stolen presidential votes from my state in the word of fairness.

 

[KingOrfeo]

But ill sleep better that night knowing I didn't vote for the repub/demo winner who will make zero significant changes.

Maybe none will, but, historically, you know, some have.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I only bother to vote if there is something local that I give a fuck about or the governor is up. Otherwise I'm a fucking Californian I might bother if the Senators had to run in a primary but otherwise that and the Presidential are a foregone conclusion.

LOL I find it mind bending there are as many republicans as there are in CA....they must all hate their existence something fierce.

 

[Sean Renaud]

LOL I find it mind bending there are as many republicans as there are in CA....they must all hate their existence something fierce.

I stand by my belief that California Republicans would be called Democrats anywhere else in the country save maybe the North East. They don't hate Boxer and Fienstien. . .at least no more than I don't really give a shit about them one way or the other. For me those two are literally just points on a scoreboard. Get to 60 and you should win, get to the impossible 70+ and you just dunk on bitches all day and all night!

Like this

http://images.rapgenius.com/dbb33726b09621a9e998aa21efb7695b.500x375x1.png​

And Republicans pretend to hate them, but in reality they are just two points they can't seem to catch.

http://olivethepeople.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/lol_bye_bitch.jpg​

Kinda like beneath the St. Ronny myth other than religion he really wasn't that far right (even if some of his goofs are still costing us, he meant well) and Arnold. . .well he's Arnold.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I stand by my belief that California Republicans would be called Democrats anywhere else in the country save maybe the North East. *~LOL but snipped for clean up~*

True...esp thinking about my time living about the dirty south....99% of those democrats would be called conservatives on the west coast.

But there are vettemans.....even in the bay area.....

 

[Sean Renaud]

Well I can't find my picture of Yao Ming standing over Micheal Jordan but the point is there are always exceptions that prove the rule.

 

[badbabysitter]

How has The Bell Curve been debunked? Where is the evidence of innate racial equality?

Where is the evidence of raicl in-equality?

we spanked your ass with this last time... do we need to do this again?


you're right... the Bell Curve cannot be debunked as it has never been submitted for peer review.. and outside of white nationalist bloggers and websites.. it's not taken seriously by anyone

 

[AllyRose]

No Child Left Behind was bad policy plain and simple. "You're failing so I take your funding!" It's not as if most parents have a lot of control over where their kids go to school. And despite the free market madness vouchers wouldn't change that by much. (Not without tons of extra funding anyway.) Everybody that grew up around me, everybody that I know with kids today has both parents working. So picking up and dropping off the kid at a distant school is. . .complicated at best and buses work because of the limited number of choices.

But we need to catch up to... Shanghai!

More testing! More testing! More testing!

It really is a vicious and ludicrous cycle.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Here's one Pub who can see through the bullshit -- Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, former chief of staff to Colin Powell.

You have been very critical of the Republican Party. Why do you stay?

There are sane and sober people in the Republican Party. The public persona of the Republican Party has changed since the days of Abraham Lincoln and Dwight Eisenhower.

In the past you have said the Republican Party is full of racists. Do you stand by that and aren’t you afraid of a backlash?

I’m not afraid of a backlash. The GOP has scores of racists. Under Richard Nixon’s blessing, the GOP took advantage of disgruntled Democrats in the South. They are still there and their children are there. This is very much known in our party. This was a conscious strategy.

Your boss, Colin Powell, helped move forward the Iraq War with his presentation to the United Nations. But that turned out to be wrong information. What happened?

It wasn’t just Powell, he just said it convincingly. I helped him. It was everyone in the administration. [The information] was provided by 16 U.S. intelligence agencies and CIA director George Tenet. The Russians, French and British spy agencies all provided the same evidence. It was a political and intelligence failure. The politicians took advantage of that. They took the intelligence and cherry-picked it, reinforcing the idea that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.

So if Iraq never had WMD, what were the real reasons behind the war?

There are several reasons. President George W. Bush wanted a stellar victory. Vice President Dick Cheney and Bush are both oil men and wanted to ensure 300 billion barrels didn’t stay in Saddam’s hands. The Israel lobby and [former Deputy Secretary of Defense] Paul Wolfowitz wanted to get rid of Saddam. There is no singular motivation. There are many, including wanting to send a message to all concerned after 9/11 that said, very forcefully, “Don’t mess with America.”

I have read that another reason for the Iraq War was to send a message to other Middle Eastern countries that America has the military might to overthrow their countries and reshape the region.

The opposite occurred. [The Bush administration] demonstrated we were incompetent. They destroyed the balance of power and we are living with the result. Iraqis will tell you that Iraq was a better country under Saddam. There was more freedom for women and a better economy. It shows you how bad the situation is today.

Was the war partially about making money for defense contractors? The Financial Times states the U.S. government has paid contractors $138 billion. KBR, a subsidiary of Cheney’s former company Halliburton, received about $40 billion in government contracts.

We wasted a ton of money. It went into people’s pockets, like Halliburton and Lockheed Martin and Bechtel — and a lot of Iraqis like Ahmed Chalabi. I also understand Eisenhower’s warning about the Military Industrial Complex’s unchecked power. It was a prescient warning. Eisenhower said this unchecked power was in every office of the federal government, every statehouse, and impacted our economic power and even our spiritual well-being.

So the Iraq War was a costly disaster. Why are Republicans pushing for war with Iran?

There are three components of this push for war with Iran. The neoconservatives feel the only way to settle the problem is to destroy the current Middle Eastern governments, and they will turn into democracies in 30 years. The second reason is Israel. We have come to the point where we blindly follow Israel. Congress gave multiple standing ovations to Benjamin Netanyahu. If Middle Eastern countries are in chaos, they can’t unify against Israel. The third reason is there is a regional power struggle between Iran, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Cooperation Council [a union of gulf states] and the United States. These people don’t want Iran in power. They want Iran isolated.

Some Republicans have called for an attack on Iran. Rep. Duncan Hunter said we should use a tactical nuclear weapon.

If we attacked Iran, they would go nuclear. If we attacked Iran it would take 500,000 troops, 10 years and trillions of dollars. Alexander the Great almost died in Iran. You don’t want to invade Iran. Iran has 75 million people. It’s the most stable country in the region.

 

[The_Trouvere]

Where is the evidence of raicl in-equality?

we spanked your ass with this last time... do we need to do this again?


you're right... the Bell Curve cannot be debunked as it has never been submitted for peer review.. and outside of white nationalist bloggers and websites.. it's not taken seriously by anyone

Read these, and get back to me.

https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171

http://www.blackexcel.org/06-sat-act-scores-by-race-ethnicity.htm

When you have finished that explain to me why there is nowhere in the United States a city with a black majority and a low crime rate, nowhere in the United States a public school system with a black majority, and high test scores, and nowhere in the world a country with a black majority, a low crime rate, a flourishing economy, and a well functioning government.

If you choose to blame black dysfunction on white racism, please explain why in the United States black crime and illegitimacy increased after the civil right legislation had been signed. Explain why the independence of sub Saharan countries has been so disappointing.

 

[phrodeau]

Read these, and get back to me.

https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171

http://www.blackexcel.org/06-sat-act-scores-by-race-ethnicity.htm

When you have finished that explain to me why there is nowhere in the United States a city with a black majority and a low crime rate, nowhere in the United States a public school system with a black majority, and high test scores, and nowhere in the world a country with a black majority, a low crime rate, a flourishing economy, and a well functioning government.

If you choose to blame black dysfunction on white racism, please explain why in the United States black crime and illegitimacy increased after the civil right legislation had been signed. Explain why the independence of sub Saharan countries has been so disappointing.

Civil rights legislation didn't reduce racism one bit.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The war on drugs didn't help anything nor did welfare reform both of which seem custom made to destroy the black family when you look back at much of it. As for sub-saharan Africa they got the shit end of the stick in the world. For thousands of years they were a combination of isolated and then ignored and it's gonna take a a while or someone giving a shit to fix it.

But we need to catch up to... Shanghai!

More testing! More testing! More testing!

It really is a vicious and ludicrous cycle.

Yeah. Not that testing is necessary but it can't be the end all be all of your system.

 

[badbabysitter]

Read these, and get back to me.

https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171







http://www.blackexcel.org/06-sat-act-scores-by-race-ethnicity.htm

the only way that's useable on a broad base is if the SAT's ( or equivalent) from all nations are gathered.. otherwise it's nation specific... and thusly not not accurate

like when you showed me how superior asians were.. yet somehow they were inferior to each other within thier own nation and how different parts of a nation were inferior to other white nations


or remember how with the facts you presented i showed you that Nazi's were superior to Jews?

When you have finished that explain to me why there is nowhere in the United States a city with a black majority and a low crime rate, nowhere in the United States a public school system with a black majority, and high test scores, and nowhere in the world a country with a black majority, a low crime rate, a flourishing economy, and a well functioning government.

you have a nation with a shitty education ,social support and healthcare system is what it means...



why dont you give the scores for other nations.. outside of the US?..oh right, because your cherry picked facts dissapear like a fart in the wind

also... none of the above appear in the Bell Curve

if you really want to show how the Bell Curve hasnt been debunked.. maybe stick to the fucking subject

If you choose to blame black dysfunction on white racism,

I'm not... I'm looking for conclusive proof that the your theories havent been debunked.. all you're doing is presenting cherry picked cases

please explain why in the United States black crime

crime is down across the board

and illegitimacy

jesus fuck... it's not 1915.... not being raised by the Cleavers is not a crime

increased after the civil right legislation had been signed.

you mean right after standarized record takings of minorities began? geeee..weird how the two could be linked, dumbass

Explain why the independence of sub Saharan countries has been so disappointing.

guess you've never heard of foreign influence... look at Egypt... the WEst donated money for decades to a country that intentionally subjugated it's subjects...... if we're so dissapointed... why did we go out of our way to ensure it was a failure