Am I morphing into a right-winger?

[Wilson23]

yes, you have failed to post any facts. can't even call the things you post an idea as your so full of shit

I post facts backed up by CREDIBLE SITES.

Try that sometime. Wikipedia, RationalWiki, WaPo, NYT, CNN are credible sites. Gateway Pundit, Breitbart, Newsmax, Fox, RedState, Epoch Times, Americanthinker, are NOT,

 

[Wilson23]

Trump 2028

He'll have to run as a zombie.

 

[YDB95]

Again, if a Canadian has money, they come to the USA for all their health care needs.

lets try to remember some facts

Yes, let's do that. The scenario you describe involves well-to-do foreigners who can afford to pay out of pocket. In other words, you're talking about people for whom money is not an issue. The problem with health care in the US is not with the quality of the care, it's with the cost, and the fact that the health insurance industry prioritizes profits over getting people the help they need.

 

[nowisthetime]

Thank god

I'm guessing you're a billionaire since that party favors them.

Yeah?

Or perhaps a Klan sympathizer.

One or the other.

 

[appalachianplay1]

this is a fantasy. for if you earned your ass off to get one million dollars ... one just doesn't hand it out

You can't comprehend someone with money not wanting to see a fellow human being homeless or hungry?

 

[YDB95]

You can't comprehend someone with money not wanting to see a fellow human being homeless or hungry?

No, he probably can't. Most Trump supporters can't, that's why they love him so much.
They also rarely, if ever, know what it's like to really be a self-made millionaire. There's a reason why most very rich people who actually worked to get that way are on our side, while those who inherited a fortune and have never shown any acumen for being able to earn it on their own - like Trump - are not.

 

[AG31]

"So, progressives, what do you think? Have I given up my right to stay under the tent?" You seem a bit apprehensive. If I'm wrong, it's all good.

You're wrong. I'm merely curious.

 

[Wilson23]

You're wrong. I'm merely curious.

Then you should direct your curiosity towards left-progressivism and social democracy. I stand ready to satisfy it.

 

[AG31]

this is a fantasy. for if you earned your ass off to get one million dollars ... one just doesn't hand it out

One might. If there were a reliable way to share it equally.

 

[Rightguide]

You're wrong. I'm merely curious.

So, what is the progressive feedback indicating?

 

[YDB95]

So, what is the progressive feedback indicating?

It's indicating that we're not willing to look the other way on what amounts to trolling. I won't lose any sleep over that.

 

[Wilson23]

One might. If there were a reliable way to share it equally.

That's called social democracy.

 

[PaxNurgle]

I post facts backed up by CREDIBLE SITES.

Try that sometime. Wikipedia, RationalWiki, WaPo, NYT, CNN are credible sites. Gateway Pundit, Breitbart, Newsmax, Fox, RedState, Epoch Times, Americanthinker, are NOT,

This is another problem I often come across with these people; they seek confirmation bias from extremist propaganda sites masquerading as "News," instead of actually fact checking information from legitimate news sites. (Which incidently they dismiss as having a "left wing bias" if it presents facts that debunk their dystopian dictatorship fantasies.)

"Oh, I don't believe CNN, that has a 'Liberal Bias.' I only get my news from AWPNN (Aryan White Power News Network) since they are the only site that tells us what is REALLY going on."

 

[Wilson23]

This is another problem I often come across with these people; they seek confirmation bias from extremist propaganda sites masquerading as "News," instead of actually fact checking information from legitimate news sites. (Which incidently they dismiss as having a "left wing bias" if it presents facts that debunk their dystopian dictatorship fantasies.)

"Oh, I don't believe CNN, that has a 'Liberal Bias.' I only get my news from AWPNN (Aryan White Power News Network) since they are the only site that tells us what is REALLY going on."

Oh, yes, that's another thing . . .
https://forum.literotica.com/threads/let-us-hear-no-more-lies-about-the-liberal-media.1650352/

 

[AlexBailey]

I’ve defended this country and you haven’t I’m clearly more informed I put my godamn life on it

What are you, 100 years old? What war did you “defend” America in?

 

[BoredDirtyCommie]

I'd like to post this in Democratic Underground, which I frequent a lot, but my post would be alerted within seconds and subsequently banned. I'd run the risk of having my membership suspended.

As you can surmise, by my mention of Democratic Underground, I consider myself a liberal, these days a progressive. If I thought someone had come up with a system that worked, I'd happily share my wealth with people until we all were equally well off.

I'd support a single payer health care system.

I think people should pay enough for their hamburgers so fast food workers could support their families.

I think government should let people figure out their own sexuality and let them take whatever steps they wish to support it.

Likewise for dealing with pre-viable fetuses.

I agree that there oughta be a law, (and there is), against supervisors using promotions and raises and even continued employment as cudgels to get sex from an employee. I was glad the #MeToo movement showed a bright light on some men's sense of entitlement

I think women who accuse someone of rape should be automatically respected. They should never be dismissed from the get-go for any reason.

BUT

- I think the cry of "Believe women" or "Believe her" makes the world of crime prevention a very scary place, to the extent that is taken as marching orders. It beggars belief to think that women will never make false accusations about rape.

- I don't want to interact with people based on their mental or emotional state unless the relationship is close. E.g., I don't want to have to wear name tags proclaiming one's preferred pronouns.

- I have and will protest as loudly as anyone when injustices like the murder of George Floyd are revealed, but I think life is too complicated to try to mitigate past injustices with things like reparations.

- I don't think it's misogynistic to be concerned about declining birth rates. Concern about a problem does not imply an opinion about the solution.

- I find myself sympathizing with people who complain about "the victim culture," and "snowflakes." At some point I don't think that trauma warrants special treatment from the people around you.

- While I'm glad to see men's sense of entitlement successfully challenged by the #MeToo movement, I'm sorry to see the workplace turned into a sea of eggs everyone must walk on. Often, when I hear about "unwanted advances," I want to say "So he's a jerk. Grow up. Ignore him. Tell him "no" and move on."


- I've been uncomfortable with the mainstream reporting of ICE activities. There's been an unmitigated air of indignation that all these people were being rounded up. No addressing the issue of what one should do with illegal immigrants.

Today, I finally heard a report that I could rest easy with. This isn't a direct quote, but it's close to what I remember. "The people being detained are here illegally, but 75% of them have no criminal record, in contrast to the administration's assertion that it would focus on the "worst of the worst" criminals." So this explains the tone of indignation, while acknowledging that the raids are focusing on illegal immigrants.

So, progressives, what do you think? Have I given up my right to stay under the tent?

Conservatives, do I share enough opinions to join you?

I didn't include the fact that I abhor Donald Trump in my list. I refuse to let him define the conservative wing of our political life.

Jesus Christ, I can't believe I just made an account to discuss this question. People arguing about politics online are idiots. Doing it on a porn site makes you a bigger idiot. But you sound like you want some advice, so here I am.

I didn't know TDU existed anymore. I haven't been on that site since 2005 back when I was a liberal.

Well, if you're on that dusty old website you probably remember the 1990s. Remember how everyone mocked the religious right at the time? That's because they spent all their time trying to police individual human behavior and very little time talking about actual policy. People don't like being told what to do by strangers with a microphone.

Look at the policies you do support vs the things you don't. What you do support is actual policy meant to be enacted into law. Universal health care. Sexual harassment policy. Legalized abortion. High minimum wage. And so on.

The stuff you're against is largely the policing of individual behaviors. Proper pronouns. "Victim culture" (which is just another phrase for, "hearing strangers complain about stuff online"). Even your defense of ICE requires a policy position as an alternative to what's going on now.

Your issue isn't with policy. It's with strangers telling you what to do. And that's understandable. That's a part of human nature. Nobody likes that.

The real issue is, why are liberals telling you to care about individual actions instead of real policy changes through legislation? It's because the Democratic Party doesn't give a shit about these issues. Universal Healthcare? Not while insurance companies are bribing them. Strong minimum wage? Big business can't have that. Better legislation to deal with those committing sexual harassment? There goes their donor base (looking at you, Harvey Weinstein).

However, the Democrats can't just admit that, because if they exposed themselves as a right wing party the people would riot because they'd realize that nobody in the government cares about them because they're not billionaires. So they tell us to scream at each other on the internet, instead. We can call other working class people on the internet sexist or racist or transphobic and be propagandized into thinking we're doing good for mankind while not demanding that both parties pass laws that would benefit the material conditions of the people we're claiming to be helping. We tear each other down while leaving the classist, racist, sexist, transphobic, and homophobic governmental structure intact. The Democrats can give a majority white country weapons to genocide a non-white people and it's okay as long as they tell liberals to call out people for micro aggression. "How can we be racist for helping genocide a non-white people when we're telling people to capitalize Black?" is the reasoning used.

The fascists won because they decided to focus on legislation instead of policing individual behavior. Not that they never do it (especially with CK being capped), but most of what they do is passing legislation and focusing on real world political policy.

I hope that helps explain things.

 

[Lazaran]

Jesus Christ, I can't believe I just made an account to discuss this question. People arguing about politics online are idiots. Doing it on a porn site makes you a bigger idiot. But you sound like you want some advice, so here I am.

I didn't know TDU existed anymore. I haven't been on that site since 2005 back when I was a liberal.

Well, if you're on that dusty old website you probably remember the 1990s. Remember how everyone mocked the religious right at the time? That's because they spent all their time trying to police individual human behavior and very little time talking about actual policy. People don't like being told what to do by strangers with a microphone.

Look at the policies you do support vs the things you don't. What you do support is actual policy meant to be enacted into law. Universal health care. Sexual harassment policy. Legalized abortion. High minimum wage. And so on.

The stuff you're against is largely the policing of individual behaviors. Proper pronouns. "Victim culture" (which is just another phrase for, "hearing strangers complain about stuff online"). Even your defense of ICE requires a policy position as an alternative to what's going on now.

Your issue isn't with policy. It's with strangers telling you what to do. And that's understandable. That's a part of human nature. Nobody likes that.

The real issue is, why are liberals telling you to care about individual actions instead of real policy changes through legislation? It's because the Democratic Party doesn't give a shit about these issues. Universal Healthcare? Not while insurance companies are bribing them. Strong minimum wage? Big business can't have that. Better legislation to deal with those committing sexual harassment? There goes their donor base (looking at you, Harvey Winestein).

However, the Democrats can't just admit that, because if they exposed themselves as a right wing party the people would riot because they'd realize that nobody in the government cares about them because they're not billionaires. So they tell us to scream at each other on the internet, instead. We can call other working class people on the internet sexist or racist or transphobic and be propagandized into thinking we're doing good for mankind while not demanding that both parties pass laws that would benefit the material conditions of the people we're claiming to be helping. We tear each other down while leaving the classist, racist, sexist, transphobic, and homophobic governmental structure intact.

The fascists won because they decided to focus on legislation instead of policing individual behavior. Not that they never do it (especially with CK being capped), but most of what they do is passing legislation and focusing on real world political policy.

I hope that helps explain things.

Jesus fuck: ANOTHER "new" both-sides troll / alt (probably responding to their own thread) that PRIMARILY BASHES THE DEMOCRATS WHO ARE ACTUALLY TRYING TO PASS SENSIBLE LAWS and then LARGELY GIVES DONOLD & THE MAGAT REPUBLICANS A FREE PASS WHEN THEY ARE THE ONES PRIMARILY RESPONSIBLE FOR BLOCKING SENSIBLE LEGISLATION FOR THE WORKING CLASS AND DISENFRANCHISED GROUPS OF AMERICANS, ETC.



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[BoredDirtyCommie]

Jesus fuck: ANOTHER "both-sides"troll / alt (probably responding to their own thread) that PRIMARILY BASHES THE DEMOCRATS WHO ARE ACTUALLY TRYING TO PASS SENSIBLE LAWS and then LARGELY GIVES DONOLD & THE MAGAT REPUBLICANS A FREE PASS WHEN THEY ARE THE ONES PRIMARILY RESPONSIBLE FOR BLOCKING SENSIBLE LEGISLATION FOR THE WORKING CLASS AND DISENFRANCHISED GROUPS OF AMERICANS, ETC.



We. Told. Them. So.

This is why arguing about politics online is stupid. You didn't even address what I said. You just got mad that I criticized the Democratic Party.

Is there ever a time you would consider it acceptable to criticize the DNC? Was insulting me supposed to get my vote?

 

[Wilson23]

The real issue is, why are liberals telling you to care about individual actions instead of real policy changes through legislation?

Because politics is the art of the possible. What America NEEDS is something pretty damned close to socialism -- i.e., left-progressive social democracy -- but what are the chances?

 

[BoredDirtyCommie]

Because politics is the art of the possible. What America NEEDS is something pretty damned close to socialism, but what are the chances?

I'd agree on that. I think a lot of policies are possible to be passed if they're fought for though, and fighting for that would mean criticizing both parties. Historically, that's been the only way progressive changes have occurred in America.

 

[Wilson23]

I'd agree on that. I think a lot of policies are possible to be passed if they're fought for though, and fighting for that would mean criticizing both parties. Historically, that's been the only way progressive changes have occurred in America.

The problem is that no third parties matter here because the single-member-district system freezes them out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportional_representation
And we ain't gonna have no Commie revolution here, neither.
So the only hope FOR THE COUNTRY is for the left-progressive faction to take over the Dems like the Tea Partiers/MAGA took over the Pubs. That is the only way to achieve the single most important political goal in America right now: The destruction of the plutocracy.

 

[BoredDirtyCommie]

The problem is that no third parties matter here because the single-member-district system freezes them out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportional_representation
And we ain't gonna have no Commie revolution here, neither.
So the only hope FOR THE COUNTRY is for the left-progressive faction to take over the Dems like the Tea Partiers/MAGA took over the Pubs. That is the only way to achieve the single most important political goal in America right now: The destruction of the plutocracy.

That I do disagree with.

Not about the Commie revolution. Definitely won't happen in my lifetime. Although it would be nice if I'm wrong on that.

We tried doing what you said with the Democrats twenty years ago. It failed because we didn't do it with the Republicans as well. Both parties need to be pulled to the left, and that happens by making them scared of a socialist revolution. Segregation ended because socialists and anarchists gave the middle finger to both political parties in the 1960s. In the 1930s the Communist parties had become the most powerful they had in American history. They were too big to ignore.

Richard Wolff talked about this a lot in Democracy At Work. Great book.

 

[Bray123]

Bribery and corruption is embedded so deeply into US politics now that proper reform is impossible.

It's called 'lobbying' but it's the payment of millions of dollars for complying or seeing millions of dollars of attack ads for not complying.

 

[nowisthetime]

Imagine hatred of certain groups of people being more important than food, air, and water. That's the right wing logic right there. Weirdos.

 

[AG31]

So, what is the progressive feedback indicating?

If you're referring to this thread, it's an old one, and I'd have to go re-read. I don't think I will, as it's full of people calling each other idiots. Not very helpful.