American's take on British medical services.

[SebastianHolt]

Mentally disabled 86TintaNoitx2024nydingOkeffieHolt pretends to understand anything about healthcare in the UK.

Well I do know this ... that you are a fucking retard

 

[SebastianHolt]

Mentally disabled 86TintaNoitx2024nydingOkeffieHolt pretends to understand anything about healthcare in the UK.

so CrackHead MajorRERE - how did you get to be so mentally fucked?

 

[Bray123]

no wrong no no wrong.
The UK healthcare system has zero choices with minimal options. Say you need a new liver, well, you get put on a list. Then you have to wait and wait, as you have a scarcity of skilled doctors. In the USA, if you have health insurance and need a new liver, you will be scheduled for that surgery from the moment the paperwork is submitted to within 2 weeks, as they push it through the system.

For my back surgery, when the doctor looked at the MRI, we scheduled the surgery right then and there for later that week (he had an opening due to a patient having to reschedule). fuck the UK shit healthcare system and double fuck single payer healthcare as its shit care

In the UK, if you want to purchase health insurance you can do just that. Some people have it through their employer, some pay it themselves.

Sounds familiar...

 

[AlexBailey]

no wrong no no wrong.
The UK healthcare system has zero choices with minimal options. Say you need a new liver, well, you get put on a list. Then you have to wait and wait, as you have a scarcity of skilled doctors. In the USA, if you have health insurance and need a new liver, you will be scheduled for that surgery from the moment the paperwork is submitted to within 2 weeks, as they push it through the system.

For my back surgery, when the doctor looked at the MRI, we scheduled the surgery right then and there for later that week (he had an opening due to a patient having to reschedule). fuck the UK shit healthcare system and double fuck single payer healthcare as its shit care

Yeah, it’s great for those wealthy enough to pay their way to the front of the line.

How good for you that it works for you.

“…promote the general welfare…” is just a commie concept?

 

[SebastianHolt]

Yeah, it’s great for those wealthy enough to pay their way to the front of the line.

How good for you that it works for you.

“…promote the general welfare…” is just a commie concept?

In America, everyone with insurance is at the front of the line. Now, the question is ... will the Dr/Surgeon take you on as a client! Can't pay then dr won't accept you as a client

 

[AlexBailey]

In America, everyone with insurance is at the front of the line. Now, the question is ... will the Dr/Surgeon take you on as a client! Can't pay then dr won't accept you as a client

Sounds like you could either afford the best or you weren’t very involved in procuring your insurance policy.

No. All Americans who have insurance do not enjoy or have access to the same level of care.

If you’ve got it through work, what happens if your job goes away? If you get it through a spouse, what if your relationship changes?

If you were involved in choosing your plan, what are the annual and lifetime benefit limits? Are you sure your insurance covers all possible complications? (It doesn’t.)

What’s going to happen to you if your insurance carrier changes after the GOP eliminates the requirement that insurers cover preexisting conditions?

Got it all covered? No exposure? No possibility of being dropped? Good for you. Don’t worry your mind.

 

[bijedi]

no wrong no no wrong.
The UK healthcare system has zero choices with minimal options. Say you need a new liver, well, you get put on a list. Then you have to wait and wait, as you have a scarcity of skilled doctors. In the USA, if you have health insurance and need a new liver, you will be scheduled for that surgery from the moment the paperwork is submitted to within 2 weeks, as they push it through the system.

Are you seriously claiming you can get a liver transport in the US in 2 weeks? You should let Bernie Kosar know this.

 

[Bray123]

 

[MajorRewrite]

The mentally disabled 86TintaNoitx2024nydingOkeffieHolt replied to my comment twice within 2 minutes.

Mentally disabled MAGA sheep are the weirdest.

Well I do know this ... that you are a fucking retard

so CrackHead MajorRERE - how did you get to be so mentally fucked?

 

[Rebel5soul]

Jesus but working through this thread has been tedious.

Everyone has gone on and on about costs. NO ONE has addressed treatment outcomes............NO ONE!. One poster came close.

The systems being discussed are great...................as long as you aren't seriously ill. Yep, not a dime out of pocket for the routine aches and pains. Emergency care isn't too bad...........up to the point that serious diagnostics are required.

I do NOT argue that the US system isn't broken. Oscumacare was supposed to fix all that.............costs went up. Up to the point that $1.5 trillion in subsidies are required to support that still born abomination.

Single payer systems haven't worked anywhere they've been implemented and there is ample citizen criticism of those systems where they have been installed. Point being they are NOT better systems.

If you are fixated on the money then you don't have the foggiest idea as to what 'healthcare' is actually about.

A fact kiddies. 80% of ALL monies spent on your behalf for healthcare will be spent in the last 6 months of your life. Given that little factoid you can understand where Barry swerved into the truth about letting Granny take a pill instead of getting a pacemaker. Why should you, me, or anyone go to any extraordinary expense to buy anyone another 180 days? Hmmm? Well kiddies that is the information that the government actuarials will use to decide whether you're getting a pill or a pacemaker. And that is EXACTLY why the people with means and serious issues that live in Canada or the UK come to the US for treatments.

And, predictably, there will be a host of posters that will be OK with giving Granny the pill....................until they're Grannies age.

 

[Bray123]

Jesus but working through this thread has been tedious.

Everyone has gone on and on about costs. NO ONE has addressed treatment outcomes............NO ONE!. One poster came close.

The systems being discussed are great...................as long as you aren't seriously ill. Yep, not a dime out of pocket for the routine aches and pains. Emergency care isn't too bad...........up to the point that serious diagnostics are required.

I do NOT argue that the US system isn't broken. Oscumacare was supposed to fix all that.............costs went up. Up to the point that $1.5 trillion in subsidies are required to support that still born abomination.

Single payer systems haven't worked anywhere they've been implemented and there is ample citizen criticism of those systems where they have been installed. Point being they are NOT better systems.

If you are fixated on the money then you don't have the foggiest idea as to what 'healthcare' is actually about.

A fact kiddies. 80% of ALL monies spent on your behalf for healthcare will be spent in the last 6 months of your life. Given that little factoid you can understand where Barry swerved into the truth about letting Granny take a pill instead of getting a pacemaker. Why should you, me, or anyone go to any extraordinary expense to buy anyone another 180 days? Hmmm? Well kiddies that is the information that the government actuarials will use to decide whether you're getting a pill or a pacemaker. And that is EXACTLY why the people with means and serious issues that live in Canada or the UK come to the US for treatments.

And, predictably, there will be a host of posters that will be OK with giving Granny the pill....................until they're Grannies age.

Are you saying that the UK NHS refuses treatment to old people, or people who have a medical history (as 'pre-existing conditions' are known), or people who don't have a healthy credit rating?

The purpose of the NHS is to provide comprehensive care from cradle to the grave. This it generally manages to do.

The purpose of US medical companies is to provide bonuses to CEOs and dividends to shareholders. This it does admirably well.

 

[Cultivateddesires]

I think most of the expenditure of the NHS probably is aimed at the last 180 days of the persons life. But this is more a factor of when people need it rather than an evil scheme.

 

[Rebel5soul]

Are you saying that the UK NHS refuses treatment to old people, or people who have a medical history (as 'pre-existing conditions' are known), or people who don't have a healthy credit rating?

The purpose of the NHS is to provide comprehensive care from cradle to the grave. This it generally manages to do.

The purpose of US medical companies is to provide bonuses to CEOs and dividends to shareholders. This it does admirably well.

"So what you're saying is..............."

 

[MajorRewrite]

Jesus but working through this thread has been tedious.

Everyone has gone on and on about costs. NO ONE has addressed treatment outcomes............NO ONE!. One poster came close.

My thread about American healthcare ranking last covers both — costs and outcomes. Costs are an important part of the discussion because our healthcare costs double any other developed nation.

The systems being discussed are great...................as long as you aren't seriously ill. Yep, not a dime out of pocket for the routine aches and pains. Emergency care isn't too bad...........up to the point that serious diagnostics are required.

What??

Universal healthcare in other developed nations covers all problems, minor and major.

I do NOT argue that the US system isn't broken. Oscumacare was supposed to fix all that.............costs went up. Up to the point that $1.5 trillion in subsidies are required to support that still born abomination.

Single payer systems haven't worked anywhere they've been implemented and there is ample citizen criticism of those systems where they have been installed. Point being they are NOT better systems.

They do work. Provide a single study that shows our system produces better outcomes.

Your bluster is nonfactual, as usual.

If you are fixated on the money then you don't have the foggiest idea as to what 'healthcare' is actually about.

A fact kiddies. 80% of ALL monies spent on your behalf for healthcare will be spent in the last 6 months of your life. Given that little factoid you can understand where Barry swerved into the truth about letting Granny take a pill instead of getting a pacemaker. Why should you, me, or anyone go to any extraordinary expense to buy anyone another 180 days? Hmmm? Well kiddies that is the information that the government actuarials will use to decide whether you're getting a pill or a pacemaker. And that is EXACTLY why the people with means and serious issues that live in Canada or the UK come to the US for treatments.

Crazy person rants about mythical “death panels”.

And, predictably, there will be a host of posters that will be OK with giving Granny the pill....................until they're Grannies age.

 

[SebastianHolt]

The mentally disabled 86TintaNoitx2024nydingOkeffieHolt replied to my comment twice within 2 minutes.

Mentally disabled MAGA sheep are the weirdest.

what a fucking retard, that you are

 

[Unblemished]

Crazy person rants about mythical “death panels”.

Oh my god I missed that, do people still believe in those? Did they ever?

And if they existed, here’s a thought, “a group of people convenes to decide whether you’re too expensive to be kept alive” might be a more likely scenario in the privately run for-profit medical system, actually.

 

[MajorRewrite]

And if they existed, here’s a thought, “a group of people convenes to decide whether you’re too expensive to be kept alive” might be a more likely scenario in the privately run for-profit medical system, actually.

Exactly. Health insurance companies in the US routinely deny care for their customers.

 

[HisArpy]

Oh my god I missed that, do people still believe in those? Did they ever?

And if they existed, here’s a thought, “a group of people convenes to decide whether you’re too expensive to be kept alive” might be a more likely scenario in the privately run for-profit medical system, actually.

The private medical system is more likely to approve the request because if too many are denied it begins to look like they're only in it for the billions they receive as compensation rather than the insureds.

Which leads to lawsuits for breach of contract. And criminal prosecutions in some cases.

Gov run healthcare might have less of this, at the expense of expediency of care. We saw that with the VA system before Trump where Vets were waiting years to merely get an appointment to see a doctor and died in the meantime of something that could have been cured had a doctor been available.

Basically in the first, it's a financial decision whereas in the second it's just a complete breakdown of a system that isn't ever going to be capable of doing what it's chartered to do no matter how much money/manpower you throw at it.

Which means that no matter which system you have, you're probably fucked if you need more than a yearly doc visit.

 

[Liberia]

PS For all the idiots crying but,but,but that's communism you are perfectly entitled to use the private health service,but you have to pay the tax as well.

"Whatever amount of passion and declamation might be employed by the party of Order against the minority from the tribune of the National Assembly, its speech remained as monosyllabic as that of the Christians, whose words were to be: Yea, yea; nay, nay! As monosyllabic on the platform as in the press. Flat as a riddle whose answer is known in advance. Whether it was a question of the right of petition or the tax on wine, freedom of the press or free trade, the clubs or the municipal charter, protection of personal liberty or regulation of the state budget, the watchword constantly recurs, the theme remains always the same, the verdict is ever ready and invariably reads: "Socialism!" Even bourgeois liberalism is declared socialistic, bourgeois enlightenment socialistic, bourgeois financial reform socialistic. It was socialistic to build a railway where a canal already existed, and it was socialistic to defend oneself with a cane when one was attacked with a rapier."

 

[MajorRewrite]

Rebel and Harpy seem to forget that oldest Americans already are covered under a government universal healthcare system. It’s called Medicare.

 

[Unblemished]

The private medical system is more likely to approve the request because if too many are denied it begins to look like they're only in it for the billions they receive as compensation rather than the insureds.

Which leads to lawsuits for breach of contract. And criminal prosecutions in some cases.

Gov run healthcare might have less of this, at the expense of expediency of care. We saw that with the VA system before Trump where Vets were waiting years to merely get an appointment to see a doctor and died in the meantime of something that could have been cured had a doctor been available.

Basically in the first, it's a financial decision whereas in the second it's just a complete breakdown of a system that isn't ever going to be capable of doing what it's chartered to do no matter how much money/manpower you throw at it.

Which means that no matter which system you have, you're probably fucked if you need more than a yearly doc visit.

“The guys whose job is to make money will waste money to keep you alive so it doesn’t look like they’re just in it to make money even though they’re a for-profit company that openly exists to make money. But the guys whose remit is to keep you alive will just randomly let you die. For some reason. Even though their failings will leave the government at the mercy of the voter.”

Yeah whatever lol.

 

[HisArpy]

“The guys whose job is to make money will waste money to keep you alive so it doesn’t look like they’re just in it to make money even though they’re a for-profit company that openly exists to make money. But the guys whose remit is to keep you alive will just randomly let you die. For some reason. Even though their failings will leave the government at the mercy of the voter.”

Yeah whatever lol.

It's not my fault you don't understand contracts or business.

 

[Unblemished]

It's not my fault you don't understand contracts or business.

We can always look at the actual facts on the ground.

The top three countries are Australia, the Netherlands, and the United Kingdom, although differences in overall performance between most countries are relatively small. The only clear outlier is the U.S., where health system performance is dramatically lower.

Compared to other countries, the U.S. performs poorly on maternal mortality, infant mortality, life expectancy at age 60, and deaths that were potentially preventable with timely access to effective health care.

The U.S. continues to be in a class by itself in the underperformance of its health care sector. While the other nine countries differ in the details of their systems and in their performance on domains, unlike the U.S., they all have found a way to meet their residents’ most basic health care needs, including universal coverage.

Other nations have their own systems, all public or part-private or whatever, but nobody does it like America and for very good reason.

 

[Bray123]

Death Panels you say? You've already got Death Panels, run by your fantastic for-profit insurance companies.

What would improve the system is the removal of the incentive to maximize profits.

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[HisArpy]

We can always look at the actual facts on the ground.




Other nations have their own systems, all public or part-private or whatever, but nobody does it like America and for very good reason.

Bullshit written by someone with an agenda to make US healthcare look bad while also making UHC look better than it actually is.

US healthcare is THE BEST in the world. We are leaders in medicine development, leaders in medical tech, leaders in medical innovation.

But you go ahead and believe the socialist bullshit. Meanwhile, whenever someone really needs top notch medical care, they come to the US for it.

And all the whinging on your part won't change that one bit.