antidepressants fail 50% of time

[bluntforcemama]

disprove it. hard to do, isn't it?
but rationally speaking, if two people 10 years apart in age experience the same things at the same age, then the older person would have experienced more and thus have a larger pool of experiences with which to relate to future events.
Now obviously there are exceptions to this, but generally speaking it'll hold true.
If you don't know this, either: you're young, sheltered, or just not too observant.

Heh! How narrow-minded of you to make a postulation such as that. Age does not ensure wisdom, as you have also demonstrated to us. There can be no exceptions where the norm you hope for does not exist.

 

[crazybbwgirl]

Lay some blame at the feet of health insurance. It's cheaper to medicate than pay for therapy. Most US health insurers will only pay for specific diagnoses for specific periods of time. If your problem isn't fixed in 6 months, oh well.

"Cured" is subjective and it depends largely on what the individual's expectations are. If you've been given unrealistic expectations then what are the chances of satisfaction? I tried an anti-depressant for about six weeks. Yes, it stopped the crying and the doom and gloom. I also didn't care...about problems, about the state of my life, nothing. It scared the shit out of me!

They do help some people but unfortunately I believe they are pushed by the medical community, the pharmaceuticals, and insurers. It's not that different from diet pills vs. changing lifestyles and eating habits. Just my opinion.

Exactly. My first instinct is to distrust all doctors!

 

[patch38]

I'm surprised the figure is as high as 50%. I thought it would be a lot lower. I dont think drugs are the cure for depression, or the answer, but they do help people live a better standard of living and that can only be a good thing.

 

[Christina O. Leigh]

disprove it. hard to do, isn't it?
but rationally speaking, if two people 10 years apart in age experience the same things at the same age, then the older person would have experienced more and thus have a larger pool of experiences with which to relate to future events.
Now obviously there are exceptions to this, but generally speaking it'll hold true.
If you don't know this, either: you're young, sheltered, or just not too observant.

Better said: If a 35 yr. old had been raped and a 20 yr. old had been raped at the same time, mentally and maturity wise, everything is differently looked at and felt.

 

[bisexplicit]

Better said: If a 35 yr. old had been raped and a 20 yr. old had been raped at the same time, mentally and maturity wise, everything is differently looked at and felt.

And would you tell this to the 20 year old victim?

She's a young 20. She'll learn in about 10 years about stories and life - if she's still alive.

 

[Christina O. Leigh]

And would you tell this to the 20 year old victim?

No, I would try to help the victim. Why would I bring that up when they are not related?

 

[Grizzman]

Heh! How narrow-minded of you to make a postulation such as that. Age does not ensure wisdom, as you have also demonstrated to us. There can be no exceptions where the norm you hope for does not exist.

I'm not really sure how you can say a general observation that older people have experienced more in life is narrow minded?Observations are like stereotypes, generally they hold true, but as in all things dealing with the human psyche, they are not definatives. Thus a "norm" is fraught with exceptions. though the notion is still same. There's a whole field devoted to those observations, know what its called?

 

[NastasyA]

The sucess rates of such medications could be better boosted

IF patients were first tested for exactly which *chemical* is un-balanced in their system, and then medicated ONLY to supplement that.

Patients whose disorders arise from perceptual/destructive habit thinking, would better be suited to a talking/behaviours modifications therapy.

 

[bluntforcemama]

She's a young 20. She'll learn in about 10 years about stories and life - if she's still alive.

Wow. You just proved my point in one sentence. Stick a fork in you, because you're done.

bi, she's not worth your time and she knows too little about you for you to waste your time updating her.

 

[bluntforcemama]

I'm not really sure how you can say a general observation that older people have experienced more in life is narrow minded?Observations are like stereotypes, generally they hold true, but as in all things dealing with the human psyche, they are not definatives. Thus a "norm" is fraught with exceptions. though the notion is still same. There's a whole field devoted to those observations, know what its called?

Go back and read my post again. I think you'll find the answers if you read instead of skim.

 

[bisexplicit]

The sucess rates of such medications could be better boosted

IF patients were first tested for exactly which *chemical* is un-balanced in their system, and then medicated ONLY to supplement that.

Patients whose disorders arise from perceptual/destructive habit thinking, would better be suited to a talking/behaviours modifications therapy.

I think thats an incredibly intelligent idea, unfortunately, it's not likely to happen anytime soon.

 

[Christina O. Leigh]

Wow. You just proved my point in one sentence. Stick a fork in you, because you're done.

bi, she's not worth your time and she knows too little about you for you to waste your time updating her.

What? You think I don't know she plays Miss. Therapist on How To?

 

[Valcorie]

Great quote!!!

Wow, people are still really naive regarding mental health.

Why don't you tell a person who just broke their leg, "Don't fix it, just think about how you don't have cancer - that should make you better."

That is a great quote! I read that article and a few others along the same lines today. One thing that I noticed in sources I found - NOT mentioned in this article, is that psychotherapy when used in conjunction WITH medication has a better success rating, and less chance of relapse.

However, I do feel that there are many physicians and therapist who over medicate, and use medication as a fix all, instead of figuring out the problem itself. But, saying why bother with medication because it doesn’t work is rather foolish.

http://www.healthyplace.com/Communities/Depression/news/antidepressants_vs_therapy.asp
http://www.healthyplace.com/Communities/Depression/treatment/therapy/psych_vs_meds.asp

 

[doll_parts85]

The sucess rates of such medications could be better boosted

IF patients were first tested for exactly which *chemical* is un-balanced in their system, and then medicated ONLY to supplement that.

Patients whose disorders arise from perceptual/destructive habit thinking, would better be suited to a talking/behaviours modifications therapy.

Most therapist/psychiatrists make you take written tests...see if you're high/low on GABA, serotonin, MAO, dopamine and such...

 

[bisexplicit]

Christina, I believe this all went over your head.

However, I hope that whatever bad experiences you have had will not continue to taint your views of helping those with mental illness.

Thanks, myst, I believe I'm quite done with this thread now.

 

[Grizzman]

Go back and read my post again. I think you'll find the answers if you read instead of skim.

Which post is that? There's too much meandering but I don't see a waterfall.

 

[SleepingWarrior]

It's not a myth, bisexplicit. The older, the wiser. You need to experience life a little longer to know what most people are saying here.

And schizophrenic medication and depression medication are medications used for the same illness. One just needs more than one.

Ummm maybe you should read up on what your ex had compared to depression. 2 different animals that just happen to share a few markers.

It'd be like saying Emphesema and Bronchitis are the same illness.

 

[bluntforcemama]

Which post is that? There's too much meandering but I don't see a waterfall.

I'll make it easy on you, again. Age does not ensure wisdom.

 

[bunnybop]

I don't understand why it's so hard for someone to say "Bad experience, it's not for me." and leave it at that.

I KNOW I'll get abused for this but it's not as if anyone has taken them because they've been forced. Last time I checked it's still a personal choice.

 

[Xelebes]

I can believe it. My brother has been taking anti-depressants since 99 and I haven't seen all much of an improment other than some slight moderation. He relapses into the hospital quite often.

 

[Christina O. Leigh]

Ummm maybe you should read up on what your ex had compared to depression. 2 different animals that just happen to share a few markers.

It'd be like saying Emphesema and Bronchitis are the same illness.

Obviously, you didn't understand my post about him. No need to argue about it. It'd be a waste of time. My kids just got home. I'm outtie.

 

[NastasyA]

I think thats an incredibly intelligent idea, unfortunately, it's not likely to happen anytime soon.

Thank YOU

and why it will not happen anytime soon?

Because the profit in such a policy of "test first, prescribe ONLY when needed" is less than the profit to be made by simply writing prescriptions?

But, to whose interests is such served?
Not the patients, not their families...

Yet... every one benefits from healthier citizens.

They use less health care expenses, they are more productive (not only on their works, but their daily lives)
They enjoy more adult and fulfilling relationships.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[Grizzman]

I'll make it easy on you, again. Age does not ensure wisdom.

OH! yes i got that. I'm just saying it plays a major factor in wisdom, degree of shelter not withstanding.Though degree of shelter is not the only factor, it is a substantial one.

Wow. this appears to be coming redundant.

 

[doll_parts85]

Thank YOU

and why it will not happen anytime soon?

Because the profit in such a policy of "test first, prescribe ONLY when needed" is less than the profit to be made by simply writing prescriptions?

But, to whose interests is such served?
Not the patients, not their families...

Yet... every one benefits from healthier citizens.

They use less health care expenses, they are more productive (not only on their works, but their daily lives)
They enjoy more adult and fulfilling relationships.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Its pretty easy to determine if you're high or low in GABA, serotonin, MAO, and dopamine just by asking a few questions...as long as you're truthful...you can figure out what type of medication you need without a blood test...

 

[SleepingWarrior]

Obviously, you didn't understand my post about him. No need to argue about it. It'd be a waste of time. My kids just got home. I'm outtie.

Actually I did. You said he had schizophrenia and went on to compare that to depression because he was given some medications that they also may give to those who have depression. But have fun with those kids... hope ya get a little more experience and understanding since these conditions have a bit to do with genetics.