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bronzeage said:
I keep reading bullshit like the OP and wonder where people find this stuff. It's completely contrary to my experience. Of course, no one would know that unless they actually had to apply for ACA coverage.

I don't understand the thing about "Over 214,000 doctors won't participate in the new plans under the Affordable Care Act..."

A person goes to the ACA exchange and walks away with an insurance policy. The doctor has nothing to do with it. It works like any other major medical plan. People have deductibles to pay, just like everybody else. The claim is filed like any other insurance policy. Suddenly doctors are worried that people can't pay their deductibles? What's new about that?
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"Deductibles, Out-Of-Pocket Costs, and the Affordable Care Act"

http://www.healthpocket.com/healthc...fIqFWwqFGQ&bvm=bv.78597519,d.cGU#.VFE8Vmc0qdg

The deductible is often $5000 or more.
 
vetteman said:
Everything changes when it comes to real life. My youngest had a similar catastrophe. It's the reason I retired early, so I could take care of him. He lost a leg, and crushed the other. It took a few years, but he can now walk and run again, thanks to an outstanding orthopedic surgeon and the UCSD Medical Center.
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Glad to know he got through it with your help. Learning to walk again is a sobering bitch.
 
vetteman said:
As usual total bullshit. Check out "all" the links in the article.
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I did. The only links go to two places, the MGM report, which looks to be pretty neutral ojn the effects of Obamacare and the astroturf Republican group.
 
bronzeage said:
I keep reading bullshit like the OP and wonder where people find this stuff. It's completely contrary to my experience. Of course, no one would know that unless they actually had to apply for ACA coverage.

I don't understand the thing about "Over 214,000 doctors won't participate in the new plans under the Affordable Care Act..."

A person goes to the ACA exchange and walks away with an insurance policy. The doctor has nothing to do with it. It works like any other major medical plan. People have deductibles to pay, just like everybody else. The claim is filed like any other insurance policy. Suddenly doctors are worried that people can't pay their deductibles? What's new about that?
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another NO INFO Obola echo lyte
 
possum123 said:
Wish I had a business that it was against the law not to buy my product.
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It would be even sweeter if someone guaranteed they would help the mandated purchasers pay for the product, if necessary, and then, on top of that, guaranteed you they would reimburse you for any losses you might sustain as a result of selling said product.
 
vetteman said:
It helped as well to know an amputee who helped him come to grips with the new reality. All I did was help him move about, get to the doctor, and reinforce the self discipline of not giving up. We were very fortunate, and thankful at the outcome.
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Your son has it worse than me, but that feeling of not wanting to get out of bed sucks. It's good he got the help and support he needed.
 
Disgustipated said:
A sincere thank you.

I was taking out the trash in my house slippers in March after it rained and slipped. My surgeon said it was one of her worst cases. It was shattered and dislocated. I have a plate and 6 pins. No fun. The worst of the pain was the ligaments and tendons growing around the metal.
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House slippers.

Really?
 
bronzeage said:
I keep reading bullshit like the OP and wonder where people find this stuff. It's completely contrary to my experience. Of course, no one would know that unless they actually had to apply for ACA coverage.

I don't understand the thing about "Over 214,000 doctors won't participate in the new plans under the Affordable Care Act..."

A person goes to the ACA exchange and walks away with an insurance policy. The doctor has nothing to do with it. It works like any other major medical plan. People have deductibles to pay, just like everybody else. The claim is filed like any other insurance policy. Suddenly doctors are worried that people can't pay their deductibles? What's new about that?
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The specific problem with deductibles is the idea of having a person of limited means (theoretically the Obamacare demographic, yes?) with a high deductible. If they did not previously have the means for insurance premiums, they likely do not have the deductible amount. You cannot get blood from a stone.

I the past, people with high deductible policies were relatively wealthy, healthy individuals that were unlikely to use insurance at all.

People have medicare. Doctors that accept medicare do so at a loss. The overhead of running a doctors office includes medical transcription, reception, medical billing, collection, space, equipment, supplies, power, phones and malpractice insurance. The doctors that accept medicare are only in business at those rates because more generous payment schedules on private insurance keeps the lights on. Less doctors are willing to perform the public service of accepting medicare patients as their office budgets are stretched thin.

Having insurance is only of value if there are doctors that accept your particular insurance plan. If it is true that the plans offered through the exchanges are offering payment schedules less generous than medicare, why would more rather than less doctors agree to participate?

Don't see why this is puzzling.

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Reading the comments on that article I see a guy who later mentions he is on public aid insurance, medical or the equivelent I would assume.

He is going on about rich doctors and their champagne filled country-club life of leisure as if this is 1950.

His reasoning for why doctors are "greed' and "over-charging" is that he finds great difficulty finding a doctor to accept his "insurance" through his state, because they do not like what they are paid.

His circular logic aside, it confirms that having insurance through the exchanges is no guarantee of "access to healthcare."

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A much cheaper and simpler solution would have been to put more people on medicaid and raise the amounts that medicaid pays out.

Creating a paralleled charity healthcare system, that pays out even less, and costs far more to administrate is everything that is wrong with Obamacare.

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The nail in the coffin that proves all the Slate and Huff-po puff pieces on how well it's doing (while consequences are delayed through executive fiat) is that Democrats are not running on what a fine success it is.

They and their strategists know that for every alleged nourishing raindrop there is a dark cloud looming. The math and human nature says this could not possibly work.

For this to have a prayer you have to convince young healthy people that don't care about insurance to pay more for it and not use it.
 
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I guess Republicans teach their children that they don't really need health insurance, since Ronald Reagan fixed it so that they could just use ER's when they need basic medical care.
 
This thread started out in one direction and ended up in a better one, thanks to reality and verity.

Should happen more often in these parts.
 
Disgustipated said:
I wouldn't want to. I feel for those who have it worse than me.
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You mentioned you were in a wheelchair for a bit. Did you find that people would not meet your eye while you were in a chair?

I had a multiple compound fracture of my tibia and fibula. I still am held together with steel. Because of the steel support, I was in a walking cast immediately.

I was on crutches for 6 months and on a cane for two years after that as a fairly young man.

The crutches were a social magnet. Strangers would engage with me. "What did you do, man?" I'd tell my little story about picking the wrong one of the two cars to dodge.

As soon as I got strong enough to lose the crutches, people never asked. A cane looks "disabled" so the polite thing is to avoid eye contact, apparently.
 
query said:
You mentioned you were in a wheelchair for a bit. Did you find that people would not meet your eye while you were in a chair?

I had a multiple compound fracture of my tibia and fibula. I still am held together with steel. Because of the steel support, I was in a walking cast immediately.

I was on crutches for 6 months and on a cane for two years after that as a fairly young man.

The crutches were a social magnet. Strangers would engage with me. "What did you do, man?" I'd tell my little story about picking the wrong one of the two cars to dodge.

As soon as I got strong enough to lose the crutches, people never asked. A cane looks "disabled" so the polite thing is to avoid eye contact, apparently.
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You will get well. I have a relative in a chair. She fights hard. Good luck
 
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