Ask Any Democrat, Obamacare Is Going Great...

[Disgustipated]

I don't know how you can possibly be as stupid as you are. Nowhere have I claimed I know more about "the new system" than you, although I'm pretty sure I do. Being a fucking patient doesn't mean you understand the ACA, dumbass. But the problem at hand is you still don't seem to understand what you read and write. Examples:

My question: "Are you under the impression there is someone on this board who understands better that Obamacare, as it exists, is fatally flawed? Who might that be, genius?"

Your answer: "Me, dumbass."

Get some help with your reading comprehension problems, idiot.

I'm also a business owner. Wanna try again? Got something to back up your claims? Mind you, people from this site have been to my shops.

 

[toubab]

You are talking to someone incapable of understanding the concept of a subordinate phrase.

You could sentence diagram it for him and he still would not understand how he just acknowledged that the ACA is "fatally flawed."

I know. And it's a common problem on this board. Idiots abound who don't understand they are idiots.

 

[toubab]

You aren't very good at authors voice and discerning divergent points of view are you?

I can tell when you hand over your ID to someone else. The posts become sharper and more clever.

He apparently can't tell how often you and I disagree.

 

[toubab]

I'm also a business owner. Wanna try again? Got something to back up your claims? Mind you, people from this site have been to my shops.

SMDH. Pathetic.

 

[Disgustipated]

3 posts in a row.

 

[Que]

He apparently can't tell how often you and I disagree.

You simply are too well versed with numbers to buy liberal dogma, and (I am guessing) spent too much time at institutions of higher indoctrination to be a conservative.

I have not purposely fed his delusion, but I kind of like it. You have much more patience in arguing a point, so I would rather that he argue with you.

I have you pegged as an engineer or an actuary or some such.

 

[toubab]

You simply are too well versed with numbers to buy liberal dogma, and (I am guessing) spent too much time at institutions of higher indoctrination to be a conservative.

I have not purposely fed his delusion, but I kind of like it. You have much more patience in arguing a point, so I would rather that he argue with you.

I have you pegged as an engineer or an actuary or some such.

Thanks for nothing.

 

[Que]

I'm also a business owner. Wanna try again? Got something to back up your claims? Mind you, people from this site have been to my shops.

Talk about a non-sequiter...or are you claiming that your business is impacted by Obamacare. Really?

You have more than 50 employees, each putting in more than 30 hours a week?

That is a payroll of at least $25,000 every 2 weeks even if you pay them all minimum wage for your state. That is a payroll of 3/4 of a million dollars a year if we are talking water-pipe salesmen or baristas.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You simply are too well versed with numbers to buy liberal dogma, and (I am guessing) spent too much time at institutions of higher indoctrination to be a conservative.

It has nothing to do with indoctrination and everything to do with being taught to no longer buy shit at face value. Notice how much more fanatically religious the RW is than the left?

That's because the left likes more facts and evidence, the right likes more faith and what 'sounds right'.

I have you pegged as an engineer or an actuary or some such.

LOL more like a lawyer with the way he dances around bullshit and refuses to ever answer anything for fuck.

Low level Republican politician wouldn't surprise me in the least......but not a deep south republican, like a PNW or Montana/NY republican.....closeted n' shit from living around so many liberuhlz with their god damn higher education and shit.

 

[Disgustipated]

No, that's not what I said but I took it upon myself to be educated. But I defer to you/2bob, the experts about everything that has ever happened ever.

 

[Que]

It has nothing to do with indoctrination and everything to do with being taught to no longer buy shit at face value. Notice how much more fanatically religious the RW is than the left?

They are taught to conform, they are taught what the correct ideology is, outright. Straight out of the writings of Karl Marx, repackaged for the useful idiots of modern society.

There is a reason that even the dumbest lefties on the site can sing from the hymnal and recite the catechism. That indoctrination starts young. I had a lengthy conversation about this with Sean Renaud one night, his only contention is that liberal ideology is and ought to be indoctrinated as young and as often as possible.

Notice how much more fanatically religious the RW is than the left?

That's because the left likes more facts and evidence, the right likes more faith and what 'sounds right'.

Oh, hell no. The ONLY reason that statement gets made about RW being anti-science is the Christian fundamentalists and creationism. Reagan's "Third Leg of Conservatism." except there is NOTHING conservative about them.

Compare the hard left and climate scare. Yes humans cause CO2, yes greenhouse gases marginally warm the earth, no we have not already experienced the effects and the polar bears are not drowning in that extra cm of tide.

They cannot do basic math. You have explained over and over again the HUGE added cost of Obamacare for such MINISCULE return and they nod, and say, yeah, it's great isn't it? blink blink.

LOL more like a lawyer with the way he dances around bullshit and refuses to ever answer anything for fuck.

Funny someone thought I was the other day.

I assume CJH is or was.

 

[Que]

No, that's not what I said but I took it upon myself to be educated. But I defer to you/2bob, the experts about everything that has ever happened ever.

I take you at your word. If you have read a great deal of what is publicly available from both partisan sides, and have concluded that you know more about why it is fatally flawed than Toubab does, I cannot refudiate that.

I am puzzled though.

If you are at least as well versed (if not more so) than Toubab as to why it is fatally flawed, how come I haven't noticed any discussion from you about why it is destined to fail?

 

[BotanyBoy]

They are taught to conform, they are taught what the correct ideology is, outright.

Because that NEVER happens on the right side of the political spectrum nuh uhhh they are all about free thought over in the fascist police state camp...LOL

Straight out of the writings of Karl Marx, repackaged for the useful idiots of modern society.

What's wrong with Marx? Some of what he said was spot the fuck on buddy.....that's why you and the RW fucking HATE his ass so god damn much. If he was full of shit no one would have cared and no one would know his name.

To some degree we all have a responsibility to society....we have to take care of each other as a whole or it all comes apart, no matter how badly you lot want to stamp your feet and scream "FUCK EVERYONE ELSE I GOT MINE!!!" that's not how shit works for the best in the real world.

There is a reason that even the dumbest lefties on the site can sing from the hymnal and recite the catechism. That indoctrination starts young. I had a lengthy conversation about this with Sean Renaud one night, his only contention is that liberal ideology is and ought to be indoctrinated as young and as often as possible.

That's because he believes in the ideology and wants to promote it.

And how is this ANY different than the RWCJ? You really don't think the RW doesn't do the exact same thing? As a person who grew up in a Korean USAF officer's home I assure you....they are all over their kids with their traditions and conservation bullshit just as early as the kumbyah LWCJ'ers are.

Oh, hell no. The ONLY reason that statement gets made about RW being anti-science is the Christian fundamentalists and creationism. Reagan's "Third Leg of Conservatism." except there is NOTHING conservative about them.

1) they are extremely conservative and not only claim but loudly and proudly claim it.

2) They are the RW super majority by a long shot....

3) It goes WAY beyond creationism....

example....UHC is cheaper and better even in a fucked up UHC system it's better but pretty much every quantifiable measure, and it's almost 1/3 the fucking PRICE!!

Yet how many RW retards will sit there and tell you Reagan care is the best HC on the planet?.....Faith...not facts.

Education....most of the RWCJ thinks Home Skool is where it's at...cuz gubbmint = socialism and Marx = evil!! Free market takes care of all with it's voodoo market magic!!.....faith...not facts.

Should I go on??

Compare the hard left and climate scare. Yes humans cause CO2, yes greenhouse gases marginally warm the earth, no we have not already experienced the effects and the polar bears are not drowning in that extra cm of tide.

I see more hype and lies out of the RW out of it...like "Polar bears are not drowning in that extra cm of tide."

Name one LW institute of research that has made that claim.......

Right...I won't be holding my breath for you to cite that.

They cannot do basic math.

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Your argument is invalid.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Ignoring the majority of this BS, no my contention was not that left wing ideology should be indoctrinated per se.

It was that all societies indoctrinate their young. Every single one of them throughout the history of the world. You're pissed because you're side is losing and educated people consistently side against you not because you don't do the same thing and weren't subjected to the same thing as a child.

We can tell the myth of "think for yourself" and I guess to some very small degree that might be possible. But really what precisely is "thinking for oneself?" I mean at a very real point you're not hating on Harry Potter because it's an inferior product, you're doing it to be contrarian. But a black sheep in a white herd is still a goddam sheep regardless of if he choses to be part of a small group of sheep who essentially change their opinions the moment they reach critical mass.

 

[Que]

Ignoring the majority of this BS, no my contention was not that left wing ideology should be indoctrinated per se.

It was that all societies indoctrinate their young. Every single one of them throughout the history of the world. You're pissed because you're side is losing and educated people consistently side against you not because you don't do the same thing and weren't subjected to the same thing as a child.

We can tell the myth of "think for yourself" and I guess to some very small degree that might be possible. But really what precisely is "thinking for oneself?" I mean at a very real point you're not hating on Harry Potter because it's an inferior product, you're doing it to be contrarily. But a black sheep in a white herd is still a goddam sheep regardless of if he choses to be part of a small group of sheep who essentially change their opinions the moment they reach critical mass.

You are conflating "education" with time spent in the chair. Plenty of people are educated on any given issue, skill or bit of knowledge that did not choose to have it spoon fed to them.

I know many very well read people with little to no higher education and very few college graduates that read for self improvement. Literotica should be the exception since it is largely based on the written word. I doubt it is from the the limited depth of actual knowledge and the reliance on 'cite? cite? cite? ~Google for confirmation bias, not for understanding~

How does going to college and getting a bullshit liberal arts degree make you any more politically aware? The worthless econ101 course does more harm then good.

MBAs lean right. Lawyers lean to who supports them (Democrats) while espousing a lot of conservatism.

If I had to hazard a guess engineers lean right, especially if they are in private industry rather than civil engineers involved in massive "infrastructure" projects.

Teachers and professors lean hard left because of unions and because Democrats collude with them for contract dollars in exchange for union contributions to Democrats.

People follow their self interest. A LOT of college graduates are not working in a field that is related to their degree (1/2 of new ones are not working at all) they end up in human resources and middle management in corporate America and love the earned income credit, the childcare credit, medical savings accounts (when they had them) Most are completely ignorant about what a W4 is for and LOVE uncle Sam for the present they get every February in the form of a tax return.

They don't give at the office or at home because as good liberals it saves a lot of money by voting your so-called consciousness and letting that stand in for what used to be called "Christian Charity."

They also were nurtured in an infantile state for an extra 4 to 6 years with daddy university possibly handling meals, shelter...uncle sam picking up the tab with loans and grants...

Of COURSE they love the state.

The few that succeed and become wealthy suddenly realize what a devils bargain it is.

None of that has shit all to do with "thinking for themselves." If liberals thought for themselves you would see some variance in thought, but they all sing from the same damned hymnal which would be fine if any of it ever came to fruition.


~sings tunelessly~ "Here we go together a-bringing in the sheaves in an over the next horizon utopia if we can just get a little more government spending on a few select, already over-funded programs."

 

[BotanyBoy]

Thought you might be reasonable...but apparently not...just pure "LIBURHULS ARE EVIL AND EDUCATION BAD!!!"

Cite...it's so we know you didn't just pull it out of your ass, or so we can laugh at you when you give us an infowars link .........as if that's worth a fuck.

Asking for citation to back up fabulous unfounded bullshit claims now = confirmation bias.....LOL what a load of shit.

 

[Ishmael]

You are conflating "education" with time spent in the chair. Plenty of people are educated on any given issue, skill or bit of knowledge that did not choose to have it spoon fed to them.

I know many very well read people with little to no higher education and very few college graduates that read for self improvement. Literotica should be the exception since it is largely based on the written word. I doubt it is from the the limited depth of actual knowledge and the reliance on 'cite? cite? cite? ~Google for confirmation bias, not for understanding~

How does going to college and getting a bullshit liberal arts degree make you any more politically aware? The worthless econ101 course does more harm then good.

MBAs lean right. Lawyers lean to who supports them (Democrats) while espousing a lot of conservatism.

If I had to hazard a guess engineers lean right, especially if they are in private industry rather than civil engineers involved in massive "infrastructure" projects.

Teachers and professors lean hard left because of unions and because Democrats collude with them for contract dollars in exchange for union contributions to Democrats.

People follow their self interest. A LOT of college graduates are not working in a field that is related to their degree (1/2 of new ones are not working at all) they end up in human resources and middle management in corporate America and love the earned income credit, the childcare credit, medical savings accounts (when they had them) Most are completely ignorant about what a W4 is for and LOVE uncle Sam for the present they get every February in the form of a tax return.

They don't give at the office or at home because as good liberals it saves a lot of money by voting your so-called consciousness and letting that stand in for what used to be called "Christian Charity."

They also were nurtured in an infantile state for an extra 4 to 6 years with daddy university possibly handling meals, shelter...uncle sam picking up the tab with loans and grants...

Of COURSE they love the state.

The few that succeed and become wealthy suddenly realize what a devils bargain it is.

None of that has shit all to do with "thinking for themselves." If liberals thought for themselves you would see some variance in thought, but they all sing from the same damned hymnal which would be fine if any of it ever came to fruition.


~sings tunelessly~ "Here we go together a-bringing in the sheaves in an over the next horizon utopia if we can just get a little more government spending on a few select, already over-funded programs."

And there is the operative observation. The homogeneity of thought among the liberals is absolutely stunning. During the Bush years we conservatives debated openly with regard to his policies, some were uniformly against some of his policies. Arguments over details of implementation, etc. It was virtually impossible to find a 100% consensus of agreement on policy.

Not so with the liberals. Lock step in agreement with policy right down to using virtually the same arguments, word for word, to support said Obama policies.

The differences between conservatives and liberals are so stark that AJ uses a Byron quote from time to time to emphasize the observation. And it's been like that since the Clinton years. (Some here actually use the same arguments WRT Carter!!!!!) No natural grouping of people is so uniformly monolithic.

And those differences do speak directly to the ability of the individuals ability to read, understand, and form an independent informed decision and express said opinion.

And that is the reason that I have so many of the liberal camp on ignore. The fact that they almost immediately gravitate to specious personal attacks aside, it is the fact that they are so monolithic that you really only need to debate one to debate all.

That being said, there are a few, a very few, liberals here on the board that occasionally break ranks and actually express an independent thought. That thought may still be steeped in the liberal doctrine, but it is refreshingly different enough from the herd to be worthy of note.

Ishmael

 

[Sean]

And there is the operative observation. The homogeneity of thought among the liberals is absolutely stunning. During the Bush years we conservatives debated openly with regard to his policies, some were uniformly against some of his policies. Arguments over details of implementation, etc. It was virtually impossible to find a 100% consensus of agreement on policy.

Not so with the liberals. Lock step in agreement with policy right down to using virtually the same arguments, word for word, to support said Obama policies.

The differences between conservatives and liberals are so stark that AJ uses a Byron quote from time to time to emphasize the observation. And it's been like that since the Clinton years. (Some here actually use the same arguments WRT Carter!!!!!) No natural grouping of people is so uniformly monolithic.

And those differences do speak directly to the ability of the individuals ability to read, understand, and form an independent informed decision and express said opinion.

And that is the reason that I have so many of the liberal camp on ignore. The fact that they almost immediately gravitate to specious personal attacks aside, it is the fact that they are so monolithic that you really only need to debate one to debate all.

That being said, there are a few, a very few, liberals here on the board that occasionally break ranks and actually express an independent thought. That thought may still be steeped in the liberal doctrine, but it is refreshingly different enough from the herd to be worthy of note.

Ishmael

This is total and utter bullshit. I've seen far more "liberals" on here criticise Obama than I've ever seen the RWCJ break ranks about ANY GOP candidate/ congressman/ president. As for homogeneity, the RWCJ will even start the same thread multiple times because they didn't bother checking if any of their bumchums had already regurgitated the latest Drudge/ NRO/ Daily Mail poutrage du jour.

 

[Busybody]

Mitch McConnell Willing To Kill Obamacare With Just 51 Votes…



We’ll see…

Via Washington Examiner:


Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., says he would be willing to repeal Obamacare with a simple majority if he takes over as majority leader in January, his spokesman told the Washington Examiner on Thursday.

The announcement comes just days before Tuesday’s midterm congressional election, in which Republicans have a strong chance of seizing the upper chamber from the Democrats and putting the Kentucky senator in charge.

“Leader McConnell is and has always been committed to the full repeal of Obamacare, and he’ll continue to lead efforts to repeal and replace it with patient-centered reforms that enable greater choice at lower costs. He knows it won’t be easy, but he also believes that if Republicans are fortunate enough to take back the majority we’ll owe it to the American people to try through votes on full repeal, the bill’s most onerous provisions, and reconciliation,” McConnell spokesman Brian McGuire wrote in an emailed statement.

 

[dan_c00000]

I still see vette hasn't backed up his 250,000 doctors claim so let's just call it what it is then

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2673/5855078376_a5c4fd3da2_o.jpg

 

[Sean Renaud]

Anybody who thinks liberal ideology is more homogenized than conservative is absolutely batshit insane or lying through their teeth. Look around here, how many of us defend LJ or Trouvure? How many conservatives talk shit about even Jen who might very well be a BOT?

Sing the same hymns? Maybe on certain subjects because if you don't know enough of the song book you're supposed to be on a different team but when it comes to lock step it's actually codified in Republican official lingo. RINO. Republican in name only. There is no true equivalent term. The closest would probably be Blue Dog Democrat but that term is both used less and isn't an insult it's just a label.

 

[smoothg103rd]

http://youtu.be/b19Iheu_Tts

 

[doctor_insanus]

I see more hype and lies out of the RW out of it...like "Polar bears are not drowning in that extra cm of tide."

That extra cm means a helluva lot when the ice is melting from underneath you.

Seriously, has there ever been anyone so convinced of his own genius, and written so many soliloquies in praise of it, while being so incredibly fucking stupid?

 

[IrezumiKiss]

I still see vette hasn't backed up his 250,000 doctors claim so let's just call it what it is then

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2673/5855078376_a5c4fd3da2_o.jpg

Love it, love it. Gonna nick it.

 

[unregistered]