Banning private schools.

[RobDownSouth]

You don't compete against anyone, when you are the only school in a given territory. Additionally, home schooling and private school are not options for the vast majority.

Why are home schooling and private school not options? Because of the cost?

 

[Cubantripod]

Privatization of public services has never turned out to be a good idea.

The post office continues to lose money because UPS, FedEx and others provide a better product. Your roads and tolls are increasingly being maintained by private companies. Municipalities are contracting private companies for garbage collection. Municipalities realize that the private sector can do it better and more efficiently.

 

[Cubantripod]

Why are home schooling and private school not options? Because of the cost?

Pretty much!

 

[BluesDriver66]

The post office continues to lose money because UPS, FedEx and others provide a better product. Your roads and tolls are increasingly being maintained by private companies. Municipalities are contracting private companies for garbage collection. Municipalities realize that the private sector can do it better and more efficiently.

Like public schools where every student must be educated regardless of status the post office must deliver to every address. Comparing responsibilities of public agencies to private companies which can reject difficult or unprofitable assignments is completely disingenuous.

 

[pecksniff]

Pretty much!

No, the reason homeschooling is not an option is because it is a very bad idea. Most parents are not in any way qualified to be teachers, and the kind of homeschooling support networks available don't improve matters any.

 

[Cubantripod]

Like public schools where every student must be educated regardless of status the post office must deliver to every address. Comparing responsibilities of public agencies to private companies which can reject difficult or unprofitable assignments is completely disingenuous.

Congress forbids private mail carriers from certain services. It's the only reason people still use the post office. The private sector has figured out how to make prisons profitable. They'll figure a way to make it work.

 

[CornusKousa]

No, the reason homeschooling is not an option is because it is a very bad idea. Most parents are not in any way qualified to be teachers, and the kind of homeschooling support networks available don't improve matters any.

Can't be any worse than the public baby sitting/juvenile detention centers they falsely label "Public School" .

Those things are worse than no-education at all.

 

[Cubantripod]

No, the reason homeschooling is not an option is because it is a very bad idea. Most parents are not in any way qualified to be teachers, and the kind of homeschooling support networks available don't improve matters any.

You're going off on a tangent We were discussing economics. Some parents would love to home school their children, but they cannot afford to stay home. When you consider how many kids graduate form high school and are unable to read, home schooling isn't such a bad idea.

 

[pecksniff]

The private sector has figured out how to make prisons profitable.

I hope you're not holding that up as an example to follow.

 

[pecksniff]

Can't be any worse than the public baby sitting/juvenile detention centers they falsely label "Public School" .

Oh, yes it can. If you're giving your kids books based on creationism, etc., that's worse than no education at all. And that's the kind of thing mostly available from homeschooling-material packages.

 

[Cubantripod]

I hope you're not holding that up as an example to follow.

BluesDriver's argument was that the private sector will reject certain assignment because they aren't profitable. I gave you that one, to show you that if it can be profitable, someone in the private sector will figure it out.

 

[CornusKousa]

The private sector has figured out how to make prisons profitable. They'll figure a way to make it work.

No the "private" sector figured out how to extract money from taxpayers via the prison system.

They aren't profitable, they're an expense to the taxpayer

 

[BluesDriver66]

Congress forbids private mail carriers from certain services. It's the only reason people still use the post office. The private sector has figured out how to make prisons profitable. They'll figure a way to make it work.

What you don't seem to understand is that profit is not and should not be the motivating factor for every facet of the public life. There's a reason why we don't have private, for profit fire departments. There's a reason private investigators and security firms don't investigate murders. There are reasons why national parks are not run by Six Flags or Disney. Do you really want a Soros owned delivery company handling your Republican mail in ballots?

 

[BluesDriver66]

BluesDriver's argument was that the private sector will reject certain assignment because they aren't profitable. I gave you that one, to show you that if it can be profitable, someone in the private sector will figure it out.

I'm sure a private security firm could figure out a way to write traffic tickets and make huge profits but it would a huge conflict of interests. Enforcing the law, detaining citizens, and leveling fines should not be administered by private companies whose sole reason for existence is to maximize profits.

 

[coati]

I'm sure a private security firm could figure out a way to write traffic tickets and make huge profits but it would a huge conflict of interests. Enforcing the law, detaining citizens, and leveling fines should not be administered by private companies whose sole reason for existence is to maximize profits.

The private prison industry lobbies for tougher sentencing guidelines. They want to make sure that incarceration remains a growth industry. Huge conflict of interest.

 

[pecksniff]

No the "private" sector figured out how to extract money from taxpayers via the prison system.

They aren't profitable, they're an expense to the taxpayer

Oh, but they are profitable -- to their investors and execs. For the rest -- any profitable business has to have customers, it's just that in this case it happens to be the state. No different from any business model, really -- you don't necessarily profit by "producing" something of "value," you profit by providing something somebody wants to buy, and it doesn't matter who or why, and it doesn't matter where they got the money to pay for it.

 

[Champakian]

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Public = government. There is no meaningful distinction.

Nothing more needs the be said about how the Left wants total control.

This would include any "public" free speech and citizens addressing government
that they do not approve of, which is why they consider parents Domestic Terrorists.

It is a collectivist mindset and we all know where that ends.

He states just prior to that that there should be no competition with government schools.

What a government school is, in effect, is a feedback loop.
The unions collect dues, elect (D) politicians and school board members,
then when contract negotiations come around, they have already gamed the system
and hold absolute power over the government representatives who are hungry for their
ability to fund their next election if they give them what they what, which is more money
for more bureaucracy (i.e., professional advancement) and not so much for teachers or classrooms.

It's basically two branches of government (<> public) working in collusion to benefit
themselves and they really don't care about education as much as they do indoctrination
so as the students mature, they will vote for more of the same, the vaunted "public" education...

 

[Champakian]

The private prison industry lobbies for tougher sentencing guidelines. They want to make sure that incarceration remains a growth industry. Huge conflict of interest.

Everyone should lobby for tougher sentencing
as a means of simple self-preservation and
protection of property, i.e., the founders'
euphemism, the pursuit of happiness.

 

[ll74]

They don't consider parents domestic terrorists. They consider parents who make death threats against school board members, criminals, and you should too

STOP CONFLATING that to change reality to suit your narrative

Nothing more needs the be said about how the Left wants total control.

This would include any "public" free speech and citizens addressing government
that they do not approve of, which is why they consider parents Domestic Terrorists.
classrooms.

 

[ll74]

What a government school is, in effect, is a feedback loop.
The unions collect dues, elect (D) politicians and school board members,
then when contract negotiations come around, they have already gamed the system
and hold absolute power over the government representatives who are hungry for their
ability to fund their next election if they give them what they what, which is more money
for more bureaucracy (i.e., professional advancement) and not so much for teachers or classrooms.

I

And then parents vote then out of office because they are corrupt and/or have them investigated for misuse of power.

Guess what you can't do at a private school, if you might know who is in charge?

The system may not be perfect, but private school board members can be anonymous....and there's no regulation requiring them to be held accountable.

You act as though private businesses will bow to your dollars....that's an ass backwards world you live in

 

[ll74]

Everyone should lobby for tougher sentencing
as a means of simple self-preservation and
protection of property, i.e., the founders'
euphemism, the pursuit of happiness.

Private prisons don't want tougher sentences for your benefit...they buy legislators with profit to make tougher sentences to make more profit, because sentencing and protection for society is not their motive...profit is.

Our kids aren't any different

 

[Champakian]

I told you pages ago.

Terrorist do things.

Angry people say things.

Big, big, YUGE! difference.

 

[Champakian]

Private prisons don't want tougher sentences for your benefit...they buy legislators with profit to make tougher sentences to make more profit, because sentencing and protection for society is not their motive...profit is.

Our kids aren't any different

Yeah. You know though, even hospitals, even the not-for-profits
are in the business of making a profit, but thanks to government
regulation and tax laws, they have to keep raising their prices to
stay in business and then we hear anguished screams about the
cost of getting sick...

So what of they make a profit?
As long as they keep the criminals in!
The government prisons just keep turning
criminals loose because they operate at a loss
with absolutely zero incentive to control any costs.

They're a lot like the USPS...

 

[ll74]

I told you pages ago.

Terrorist do things.

Angry people say things.

Big, big, YUGE! difference.

A person making death threats against someone is not the same as a person criticizing someone

Big, big, huge difference.

Threats aren't just "saying things".

You dipshits want people to believe there is no difference, because it makes your political opponents into a larger group of people.

Kinda reminds me of the time where protestors and rioters were the same.

 

[Champakian]

And then parents vote then out of office because they are corrupt and/or have them investigated for misuse of power.

Guess what you can't do at a private school, if you might know who is in charge?

The system may not be perfect, but private school board members can be anonymous....and there's no regulation requiring them to be held accountable.

You act as though private businesses will bow to your dollars....that's an ass backwards world you live in

No they don't. Up until the pandemic, they paid little attention
and then when they went to vote, they usually went with name
recognition, recognition which was bought and paid for and the
politicians not on board received all of the negative political ads
all paid for by Unions, Trial lawyers and woke corporate America.

This is a perfect example of unintended consequences, in this case
the woke Leftist love of mandates (i.e., the exercise in raw power
born out of manufactured fear) was what woke these angry
parents to what the Left was teaching in the government schools
that they controlled by the aforementioned machinations...