Because something is legal doesn't make it right

[SwanSword]

I think you should reread the first two or three sentences of the OP.

I've been adimitly avoiding this thread but something drew me to it this morning and all I can say is that it makes me sad.

I've often thought about writing a book on the D/s frame of mind and the christian standing, but I don't think that my path is close enough to God at the moment.

I've always tried to respect every one here, and every one in general. Hell I worked with pagans for a while (we had a running joke because the pagans just happened to be dominate and the "good little christian girls" just happend to be submissive, so the pagans got to beat on the christians this time round. ), the way we got along is we didn't hold another's believes against the person. And we didn't hold past dealings with others in that person's faith as an example of what that person would be like. The way I could "cope" with it so to speak is that I love the person and hate the sin. (please any one of a different faith that I offend please forgive me, this is one of the largest reasons I don't post my feelings about religion on this forum because I know that my views would be offencive to others and I don't mean to be offencive or judgemental at all). I prayed for them every night, and when I saw opertunities I showed my faith by example, not by preaching at them. When we had a difference of opinion on a religious matter, I debated my point, until it was obvious to all of us that none of us were going to be swayed.

To be christian is to be Christ like. Christ did not go out of his way, in most instances, to shove his pholosophies down people's throughts. Insted he taught those who saught his knowledge, and lived by example. This is how I hope to show my faith. And I'm far from perfect. My walk has been a shakey one my whole life, but only I can know where I stand with God.

I didn't write the opening to the OP for typing practice. It was so people could read it. Wanting to experience pain and sexual arousal together, or getting stimulated by inflicting pain is a spiritual sickness. It's a sign the soul is sick, and may be dead.

 

[SwanSword]

Yes

I forgot to say - If I pm you my Paypal account details will you pay off all the debts my drunken sloth of a catholic husband left me with if I promise to repent my sins & find YOUR God?

Yes I will.

 

[Kajira Callista]

I didn't write the opening to the OP for typing practice. It was so people could read it. Wanting to experience pain and sexual arousal together, or getting stimulated by inflicting pain is a spiritual sickness. It's a sign the soul is sick, and may be dead.

tsk tsk i have just been convinced that you are a troll and not some misguided catholic.

 

[SweetGigi]

I love how he skipped straight over my post....



what, am I too threatening??

 

[SweetGigi]

You know, from what I can tell, you'd make a great Husband/Dominant if you just weren't so overzealous.

just a thought.

 

[Shankara20]

HAHAHA SHANK YOU KNOW I WOULD AGREEE WITH YOU... that sounds like the perfect opening to something heavy lol...

reguardless i still cant get over the idea of this whole story turning into a gay porno...

*it begins in a little closet.. low lighting.. as one man weeps..
"father o father... the things i have done seen and thought.... "

"here here my boy, all your sins will beforgiven.. if you make amends..."

then the porn music kicks in... the divider slides open...

" come and kneele before me.. SHOW me how you pray "

(unzipiping sound followed by muffled gaging...) *

our minds (perverted things they are) work alike

I always thought I'd look great in one of those dresses they wear. As a kid in Catholic school I loved the way Father looked - wonder if that is why I crossdress (hmmmm "cross"-dress - nope not going to say it - you all might find out what a sick puppy I really am)

See you all in hell

 

[Netzach]

OMG, I love not reading the entire thread. "I have money and eternal life blah blah" made me think of my favorite bumper sticker.

Jesus loves you, everyone else thinks you're an asshole.

This obviously doesn't apply to all you lovely goyim, just a few. You don't know who you are, clearly, so maybe this will help y'all check yourselves.

 

[intothewoods]

our minds (perverted things they are) work alike

I always thought I'd look great in one of those dresses they wear. As a kid in Catholic school I loved the way Father looked - wonder if that is why I crossdress (hmmmm "cross"-dress - nope not going to say it - you all might find out what a sick puppy I really am)

See you all in hell

more please, more please!

Oh, Jews don't believe in hell. Too bad for the rest of you!

 

[sirgary]

more please, more please!

Oh, Jews don't believe in hell. Too bad for the rest of you!

...I believe in hell...it is where I go and spend eternity with pius jerks like this one...whew, rather burn...

 

[FluteMaster]

Alone here?

Am I the only person here who thinks that Swansword has the driest most warped sense of attempted humour here?

He is deliberately provoking the reaction he is getting.

I started as a Catholic, swung through Strict Baptist, Evangelical and Charismatic back up High Church with a few lessons in Zen and Isalm on the way. I think what he is trying to do is to mock those who distort faith for their own ends. Look closely at his references to his superhuman abilities and things like dating a centerfold. I cannot believe He's being serious.

However, I have also appreciated reading about people's faith journeys, and it confirmed my impression that some of the most creative people are also spiritually very aware, (even if they express that spirituality in diiferent ways).

So thankyou to everyone who has contributed.

 

[FluteMaster]

...I believe in hell...it is where I go and spend eternity with pius jerks like this one...whew, rather burn...

Oh and sirgary - this person is no pious (note spelling) jerk. You just missed the joke!!

Have a nice day.

 

[CutieMouse]

*****

 

[Evil_Geoff]

... Wanting to experience pain and sexual arousal together, or getting stimulated by inflicting pain is a spiritual sickness. It's a sign the soul is sick, and may be dead.

Only in your not so humble opinion. You are filled to the brim with the sin of pride. You think you've been saved and know God's will. You know nothing of His plan for any of us. For a creation of such limited understanding and perception as a human being to even pretend to understand the mind and workings of an infinitely powerful, infinitely wise, and infinitely gracious Creator is the height of hubris.

And we all know where pride leads.

 

[yevkassem72]

Okay, why is it that this guy, proselytizing on Lit...

....reminds me of David Puddy from Seinfeld? You know, the devout Catholic shacking up with his girlfriend Elaine? I like how the priest put him in his place (and bear in mind that I am generally no fan of the clergy). He said, upon learning that they were an unmarried, cohabitating couple,"Then, it's simple. You're both going to Hell."

It's just that whole, I'm right, you're wrong, therefore I'm going to Heaven and you're going to Hell kind of thing that annoys me. Seriously. Mind you, I don't think that Jesus cared much about people's sex lives, one way or the other. The track record on sex is a very thin paper trail.....in fact, one could argue that his statements about divorce were simply a way of creating moral equivalence in order to commute the penalty for adultery, not to ban divorce. That he wanted to keep the Torah, but reform it. Just one take on it from an agnostic, apostate former Christian.

What pissed off Jesus? Usury....oppression.....things that harmed people. It's interesting that he never condemned polygamy, just seemed to condemn divorce...one could make a case that he was just worried about women being deserted by their husbands and children by their fathers, just as he worried about widows and orphans. He spends pages on social justice issues. He doesn't put adulterers in Hell.....he puts callous men and women who did nothing to alleviate the plight of the poor there. Even the sheep and goats passage said NOTHING about sex. It spoke of people helping or not helping their neighbors.

He didn't take a whip into a brothel, but he took one into the Temple, to drive out people extorting money from desperate Jewish pilgrims there to sacrifice. People who were using the desperation of those visitors to charge them exorbitant rates of exchange and who charged far too much for sacrificial animals. His target was the corrupt, collaborating Temple priesthood and establishment, as well as the more fanatical and hypocritical elements of the Pharisees.

The sexual stuff was largely later, with Paul. He said things about sex that never came out of Jesus's mouth, although he also ended the ban on divorce. So his legacy is mixed on that issue.

I doubt that this man would recognize the historical Jesus if he meant him. The Nazarene wasn't nearly as uptight about "illicit" sex or "heresy" as he was about oppression and cruelty toward one's fellow man.

 

[Evil_Geoff]

...
This obviously doesn't apply to all you lovely goyim, just a few.

How about us evil, sadistic, balding goyim??? Shalom! *LOL*

 

[WriterDom]

http://www.godhatesamerica.com

This is fucked up. You may not even want to click on it.

 

[Auraka6669]

Fuck. you.

Someday you will stand before God- the same God every person of Faith (note I didn't say Christian religion) stands before when the die, and He will pop you upside the head for being such an offensive asshat, and turning so many people away from Him through your arrogant, judgemental, ignorant and cruel words.





(I apologize to the Christians of the board whom I respect, and for no longer being able to discuss this subject in a respectful manner, when I was the one who invited the debate, in the first place.)

Chillax.

Just stop replying to the asshat, and move forward with the actual discussion at hand.

Now I am going to be a hypocrite

Oh Mr. SS.

Please, you've missed a few posts and don't seem to reply and answer any real questions.... Just spout off some zealous shit.

"I'm not here to judge! (but you're going to hell)"

Well played.

 

[Netzach]

I have experienced the gritty, urban, merciless lifestyles of people desperate to commit sin. I have also experienced poverty and wealth. I have lived on the street, and in a mansion. I have driven my own car, and had a driver. I dated a Playboy Centerfold once. I've lived 10 lifetimes in 26 years.

I think I should make this my sig line.

BWAHAHAHAAAA!

 

[Evil_Geoff]

I accidentally left my Bible somewhere, but I know it by heart so I don't really need the book.

Perhaps the folks here will find the following passages enlightening:

Book of Matthew, Chapter 7 (from the KJV)
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down and cast into fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

or perhaps you might prefer the modern NIV translation:

15 Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

SwanSword, you NEED the Book. More importantly though, you need the Spirit of the law, not the law itself. You sow discord, anger, rebelliousness. You turn people away from the Light. And thus by your fruits you are known.

 

[CutieMouse]

*****

 

[Netzach]

A truly erotic experience, according to the ancient Greek and Roman pagans who coined the term, comes through a temporary loss of reason, or theia mania, during which a man places the needs of his love object for security and commitment above his own base animal instincts, elevating person-hood above passion; and after a suitable period of time has passed the two lovers make public their intentions to have children together, having remained pure in mind and heart, and the man gives the woman his name.
According to Plato, The issue of blood and water from the virgin, within the confines of sanctified marriage, blesses her marriage bed for creation of new blessed life, and seals the blood covenant of marriage between God, bridegroom, and virgin. It is by keeping the seal God placed over the virgin's innocence intact until the virgin has a name for her children that new blessed life will come from her womb. It is the virgin's innocent sacrifice that atones for man's accursed seed. The soiled bride brings forth accursed offspring because her sacrifice to her husband is impure.

Plato had a whole giant treatise on men buttfucking boys which is oddly overlooked here. That little bit was all about making sure there's a state propogating. Women were just kind of boring brood mares to the Greeks. Boys were where it was really at in terms of love.

I'm sure the symposium turned him on so much he gets sweaty and jacks and can't rant staight when he gets to that part.

 

[CutieMouse]

*****

 

[SweetGigi]

Plato had a whole giant treatise on men buttfucking boys which is oddly overlooked here. That little bit was all about making sure there's a state propogating. Women were just kind of boring brood mares to the Greeks. Boys were where it was really at in terms of love.....

Well stated, Netzach. I have come to think that our dear OP is just in dire need of purging his own soul and only feels bringing the sins of others to light will help him feel like less of a sinner. Which is why I think he is omitting information and being so selective on who he replies to and what he 'offers' them.

 

[Netzach]

I don't know why this inspired me to remember this, but for some reason I gotta post the 13th century mural of the penis tree in Tuscany. There are 25 penisis (complete with testicals), hanging from the tree like fruit. Apparently it was originally believed to be a fertility mural, but they now believe it was made as a political statement to discredit an opponent. Link

Sorry I couldn't find a larger image on the fly; it's quite beautiful up close.

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i237/sweet_dreams_vintage/phallictree.jpg

Signed,

The Mouse who is back in control of her temper.

What a fabulous bit of ancient art! Thanks for bringing something of value to this stupid exercise.

 

[Shankara20]

Plato had a whole giant treatise on men buttfucking boys which is oddly overlooked here. That little bit was all about making sure there's a state propogating. Women were just kind of boring brood mares to the Greeks. Boys were where it was really at in terms of love.

I'm sure the symposium turned him on so much he gets sweaty and jacks and can't rant staight when he gets to that part.

You know me so well.

Plato was right on oh so many counts

I'm sorry Cutie's "Fuck.You." has me in such a total mess right now I cannot even remember that she reports herself as bottom and I claim to be a Top. go on with the conversation, don't worry about me, I'll be just fine in no time