Bernie!

[BotanyBoy]

Do you think that's right? - that people should be required to donate money to politicians whom they oppose?

Yep.

If you want to keep your job you give money to the committees/politicians who are protecting it, if you're not on board with that then fuck you get the fuck out for not being a team player.

If I decided to whore out my land to Monsanto after CA tells me I'm not Rich/Cool enough for a cannabis licence, which is looking most likely every day I'm likely to let them turn it into a toxic waste pit just as a 'fuck you' to California...

But I digress.....guess who's not getting my vote next cycle?

Those god damn organic bullshit loving hippie democrats!!!Fuck them!!! LMFAO~!!!

 

[Sean Renaud]

Finding jobs is not that easy, especially for somebody who has been working in factory assembly work. Unions can be predatory especially the Teamsters, but the case in question was a teachers' union. Teachers tend to be intelligent and educated, and some of them do vote Republican for a variety of reasons. Unions support pro-choice candidates, as do I, but there are many people who oppose abortions. Nevertheless, the unions require pro-life people to financially support those politicians who will vote contrary to such people's wishes and beliefs.

Do you think that's right? - that people should be required to donate money to politicians whom they oppose?

That sounds very much like a personal problem. I'm not familiar with the Teamster's union specifically but I'd love to know the details.

Yes some of them do vote Republican and that is their right. Yes I think people should be required to donate money to politicians whom they oppose if they work in an industry that essentially "requires" it. They can of course vote how they please. If they feel THAT strongly they can go find a new job.

In the EXACT same way that I get zero say in how much money we give to countries that hate us or who's policies I disagree with. Or the upholding of laws (War on Drugs) that I disagree with. Or any given military project. If I want complete control over everything I have an option. It's called Run for President. Anything shy of that I have to accept what the middle men do.

 

[JackLuis]

Sanders Soars: The Democratic Race Is Closer Than the Republicans'

Bernie Sanders routed Hillary Clinton in three Western states on Saturday. He isn't just winning; he's winning with stunning percentages: Alaska 82-18; Hawaii 70-30; Washington 73-27. He's taken five of six in the West, and chipped away Clinton's lead in pledged delegates, trailing in pledged delegates by 1243 to 975.

The Clinton campaign, echoed by the talking heads, sought to discount the victories as "expected" from the "largely white and liberal" Pacific northwest. But just as Clinton's victories in the South should not be dismissed because they were built on loyal African-American voters, Sanders' victories shouldn't be dismissed either. Liberals are Democrats, too.

Hillary should just drop out now rather than get beat again by a man.

 

[sr71plt]

I see she's got you scared about what comes in the big states.

 

[JackLuis]

I see she's got you scared about what comes in the big states.

Her name recognition is what worries me. There are too many low info voters who don't understand how badly Clinton fucked the country by shilling for the multi-national corporatists. She has had Obama to shield her from her own errors of judgment. Lybia, Syria, etc.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Trickle UP Economics!

Bernie Sanders Will Make the Economy Great Again

Liberal critics like Paul Krugman argue that Sanders’s economic platform is unrealistic. They are dead wrong.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Her name recognition is what worries me. There are too many low info voters who don't understand how badly Clinton fucked the country by shilling for the multi-national corporatists. She has had Obama to shield her from her own errors of judgment. Lybia, Syria, etc.

Well name recognition counts for a lot. So does the world socialism. As for Obama sheilding her those were his mistakes first and foremost.

Bernie Sanders Will Make the Economy Great Again

Liberal critics like Paul Krugman argue that Sanders’s economic platform is unrealistic. They are dead wrong.

Honestly if Krugman is against it it's probably a crap plan.

 

[sr71plt]

What little birdie told anyone here that Hillary Clinton drove the foreign policies of the Obama administration? There's a whole team involved in U.S. foreign policy. The secretary of state is one of several voices in policy formulation even if the SecState is the administrative spokesperson for the policy. I saw a lot of policies that didn't look like they had Hillary's hand on the button. She's much more militant than a lot of the wishy-washy actions reflected.

 

[JackLuis]

What little birdie told anyone here that Hillary Clinton drove the foreign policies of the Obama administration?-
She's much more militant than a lot of the wishy-washy actions reflected.

Yeah that's what scares me. after 60-90 years of interventionist policies involving our military support of corporatism, we are not that much better off that if we had poured the $Trillions into constructing an educated and civil society.

Hillary is just another authoritarian shill. She may wear the clothes of a liberal progressive, but at heart she is not much better than Trump or Cruz.

 

[sr71plt]

Oh, come on, she runs circles around the other two in foreign policy experience. She's a hawk, yes--and more so than I would be--but at least she has extensive knowledge of what the situations are. Cruz is dumb on that, and Trump is dumber, while both are rocket rattlers.

Folks here tend to just zip to the extremes and decide to be dumb on everything else.

 

[JackLuis]

Oh, come on, she runs circles around the other two in foreign policy experience. She's a hawk, yes--and more so than I would be--but at least she has extensive knowledge of what the situations are. Cruz is dumb on that, and Trump is dumber, while both are rocket rattlers.

Folks here tend to just zip to the extremes and decide to be dumb on everything else.

Well you worked at the Company, you know that they know all the shit, so tel me why haven't we heard of any times the CIA was correct in assessing the situation? All our intelligence seems to be flawed.

Now you are going to say that the CIA told the truth about how they knew nothing about WMD in Iraq but the Bush just ignored it like he did when the intell suggested that air line security was about to be tested in late 2001. Or that the CIA didn't plant the seeds for a horrid war in Central America it was that Regan Bastard that cause all those deaths for nothing?

Or how if we just supported our proxy Army with drug money in Laos we could involve a neutral government in a war that would defoliate 20% of the country?

Or how we could just ship Libya's arsenal to Syria and rid ourselves of another enemy of Israel?

Give me some hope please, that we could have a government that wasn't spreading democracy with 750 lb low drag bombs?

 

[sr71plt]

Well you worked at the Company, you know that they know all the shit, so tel me why haven't we heard of any times the CIA was correct in assessing the situation? All our intelligence seems to be flawed.

When the plans work out, you don't hear about them. That's why they are a success. (Duh)

"All our intelligence seems to be flawed" is yet another example of zipping right out to the extreme. It's the realm of the clueless. The government is cooking along at over 90 percent efficiency--folks just always want to zip out to the extreme margins. We're a Chicken Little nation.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Oh, come on, she runs circles around the other two in foreign policy experience.

She's a real honest-to-goodness war criminal. The Republicans are just wannabes.

And she's also grotesquely smug about it.

 

[sr71plt]

Yeah, yeah. Out to the clueless extreme edge again. I'm sure you could do a lot better from your Laz-Y-Boy.

 

[SexyAlison]

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/its-really-hard-to-get-bernie-sanders-988-more-delegates/

Long story short: it's already over for Bernie

 

[Sean Renaud]

Meh, all us Bernie Supporters knew how this was going to end when it started and mostly decided to have a good time cus it wasn't gonna hurt anything. (I think a lot of us would have been less enthusiastic if the Dems were like the Republicans with half the party running.) It is what it is.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/its-really-hard-to-get-bernie-sanders-988-more-delegates/

Long story short: it's already over for Bernie

This could be seen as the wheel of karma slowing crushing Bernie, who was pathetically silent back while the DNC was screwing Martin O'Malley (who was probably the more courageous candidate.) However, if there is such a thing as a wheel of karma, maybe Hillary will be indicted.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Well name recognition counts for a lot. So does the world socialism. As for Obama sheilding her those were his mistakes first and foremost.



Honestly if Krugman is against it it's probably a crap plan.

I like Krugman too, but more for his politics than his economic theory, and in this case he is playing politics.

 

[JackLuis]

Bernie Sanders breaks fundraising record in March with $44 million haul

Bernie Sanders is having the best week of his campaign.

Fresh off big wins in Alaska, Hawaii and Washington, the ornery Vermont independent raised $44 million in March, narrowly breaking his own previous record of $43.5 million from February. And most of those donations were in the form of small checks, the Sanders campaign said.

"What this campaign is doing is bringing together millions of people contributing an average of just $27 each to take on a billionaire class which is so used to buying elections," Sanders said in a statement.

More than 97 percent of that money was raised online, the campaign added.

This haul brings the presidential hopeful’s total war chest for the first quarter of 2016 to $109 million.

Sanders's rival for the Democratic nomination, Hillary Clinton, has not released March fundraising numbers. In February, Sanders’s haul surpassed that of Clinton, who brought in $30 million.

How soon before the Media recognizes all the lovely socialist money?

 

[sr71plt]

This could be seen as the wheel of karma slowing crushing Bernie, who was pathetically silent back while the DNC was screwing Martin O'Malley (who was probably the more courageous candidate.) However, if there is such a thing as a wheel of karma, maybe Hillary will be indicted.

Why should Bernie have spoken up then? What does Bernie have to do with the DNC (or vice versa, really)? He wasn't even a Democrat up until he decided to want to run for president as a Democrat.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I'm curious how the DNC screwed O'Malley. I mean I get why Bernie should have said something then if he thought it was wrong but what precisely is the accusation?

 

[just4friends]

Thanks for looking out for my rights

A union is a group of workers, but not all those workers agree with the union bosses about everything. For instance, unions tend to support Dems and contribute to their campaigns. Some of the individual working people may disagree and may support, for whatever reason, Ted Cruz. Is it right for the unions to take money from the latter group in order to support somebody that members of that group dislike?

In the teachers union we can opt out of any payment that could be used politically so just leave that issue alone. It's resolved! There aren't many other unions left thus the focus on those that survive.

We are well on our way back to the 1920's that corporations have wet dreams about with wages/benefits and protections that are as low as the rest of the world.

Corporations aren't people nor are they Americans why can they buy our democracy??

(also note.. Boxlicker has some of the best stories here at Lit!!!)

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Why should Bernie have spoken up then? What does Bernie have to do with the DNC (or vice versa, really)? He wasn't even a Democrat up until he decided to want to run for president as a Democrat.

I dunno. When they came first for O'Malley, he didn't speak up, because he wasn't O'Malley?

O'Malley proposed to him that they have their own debates without Hillary, to circumvent her dirty campaign tactics. Bernie chose to wait until O'Malley had been frozen out of the race, and now he's indignant about the lack of debates. Bernie's supposed to be a progressive dude who wants an open process and doesn't want corruption. If so, he ought to be more consistently so.

 

[sr71plt]

Sanders didn't do any homework in or for the DNC. Why should the DNC have any form of loyalty to him or listen to him beyond what his "now" support numbers accord him? I see occasionally here that Hillary is stealing the nomination from him. It's the other way around. He's doing any stealing there is. He wasn't even a Democrat at the beginning of this nomination process. Hillary has been paying her loyalty dues in and working inside the party for decades. She's not stealing anything from anyone on the Democratic side of the process. I won't slit a wrist if Bernie does steal the nomination, but let's be clear on what the DNC owes to Sanders--absolutely nothing. He's the Johnnie-come-lately opportunist here.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

A union is a group of workers, but not all those workers agree with the union bosses about everything. For instance, unions tend to support Dems and contribute to their campaigns. Some of the individual working people may disagree and may support, for whatever reason, Ted Cruz. Is it right for the unions to take money from the latter group in order to support somebody that members of that group dislike?

Unions have, for the most part, a very specific purpose, which is to defend the rights of workers, bargain collectively, and seek to improve living standards. Therefore, they will evaluate political candidates based on those criteria. They don't necessary need to agree with candidate's positions on wedge issues, nor should union members expect them to do so.