Bernie!

[Boxlicker101]

1964 was over five decades ago. How many decades does she have to be a working member of the Democratic Party for you to give her credit for being a working member of the Democratic Party (as, for instance, in contrast to Bernie Sanders who is still registered as an Independent by the Senate).

Are you perhaps missing the point, or just being your usual dopey and grasping at straws self?

I was just thinking about how, in the case of W and others, people were putting them down for what they did or said about that much earlier.

 

[sr71plt]

I was just thinking about how, in the case of W and others, people were putting them down for what they did or said about that much earlier.

Like what? I think you're making it up. W was a prep school baseball player, cheerleader, and "barely making it through" goofball before 1964--and the same, without the baseball player but plus chugalugging, through Yale until 1968. Point to where he was doing anything political, let alone contrary to the Republican party, "much earlier" than you dinged Hillary for. You can't. You're just making it up to cover your sorry ragging.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Like what? I think you're making it up. W was a prep school baseball player, cheerleader, and "barely making it through" goofball before 1964--and the same, without the baseball player but plus chugalugging, through Yale until 1968. Point to where he was doing anything political, let alone contrary to the Republican party, "much earlier" than you dinged Hillary for. You can't. You're just making it up to cover your sorry ragging.

Saying W was a draft dodger and deserter from the TX ANG. If I want to, I can probably find other examples.

 

[sr71plt]

Saying W was a draft dodger and deserter from the TX ANG. If I want to, I can probably find other examples.

Yes, please do. Because I think you are falsely saying this has been posted any time in the recent past. You're just trying to cover your suggesting that Hillary isn't an active Democratic Party leader because she supported Barry Goldwater when she was in high school with flak that doesn't exist.

 

[SexyAlison]

https://twitter.com/chrismegerian/status/731311992510631937

Cult

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

I'm as much as Bernie supporter as anyone here, as one can easily attest, but I find it rather annoying for people to pretend that he isn't as new to the Democratic Party as I am. I admit to being a new member of the party. So does Bernie. He's not new to progressive causes, and yes, he caucuses with the Democratic Party, has for a good while now, but in terms of party loyalty, he is new. This cannot be ignored. I'm very much in favor of him, but let's not pretend that he is a long-standing Democratic Party loyalist. He's an independent social democrat (little "d") with longstanding views largely in keeping with European social democracy. He is a solid progressive, with one of the most progressive voting records in Congress, but let's not pretend that he has been actively canvassing for the party all this time.

I support him for his strong progressive views, which with a recent convert's zeal, I find most appealing and inspiring, but I will vote for the Democratic nominee in the end, whether he is Bernie Sanders or she is Hillary Clinton (or by some weird chance, if she is indicted and Joe Biden or Elizabeth Warren get it). We have a moral duty to get this country at least another term of Democrats, even leaving aside Trump, so that the working class in this country can finally breathe easier and the economy can complete the recovery before the GOP tanks it again (and no, I'm not happy with myself for voting for the man, Dubya, who tanked it last time.....that was a product of my earlier, Republican ignorance).

 

[pfflyerhot]

Feel the Bern...

http://66.media.tumblr.com/c8bac0a97722ef340a2366b59304d84c/tumblr_o6u5dyK1UO1td9k02o1_400.jpg

 

[JackLuis]

Sanders crashes into Democratic Party wall

DWS signals her bias.

For a party that's anxious to unite all its factions behind likely nominee Hillary Clinton after a long slog of a primary, it was an inauspicious — and worrisome — start.

"I'm surprised and a little bit shocked that the numbers are so few given the nature of the base in the coming decade. This is not necessary," said Madison Mayor Paul Soglin, a Sanders supporter. "In other words, if Hillary Clinton is the nominee, it is not necessary to solidify her election by fashioning a list that's so restrictive."

Both the Hillary Clinton and Sanders campaigns had submitted names for consideration on the convention's standing committees, but in January when Wasserman Schultz handed down her final list of 75 nominations — all of whom were approved by the DNC's Executive Committee — nearly all of Sanders' choices had been disregarded.

 

[JackLuis]

Despite his popularity Bernie is losing the Democratic Nomination, but still doing better than Clinton in the Polls vs Trump.

Clinton 47.3 Trump 41.6

Bernie 51.8 Trump 38.8

He may not be a "Real Democrat" but he beats Trump like a drum!

 

[Sean Renaud]

I still suspect that much of Bernie's advantage in the polls really boils down to him being a relative unknown.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I still suspect that much of Bernie's advantage in the polls really boils down to him being a relative unknown.

But I believe even more is dislike of Hillary.

 

[Sean Renaud]

But I believe even more is dislike of Hillary.

Oh that is factoring in as well without a doubt.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Oh that is factoring in as well without a doubt.

Personally, I dislike both Trump and Hilly and am looking for a way to vote against both of them. I think of Bernie as being a likeable crackpot.

 

[JackLuis]

Politics
It’s Spreading: Another Democratic Convention Just Rejected Superdelegates

The Alaska Democratic Convention passed by largely without incident, particularly when compared to the most recent fiasco in Nevada, but they did adopt a formal resolution urging the superdelegates in the state to conform to the will of the voters.

The resolution also states that the Alaska delegation “hereby invites other states’ Democratic Parties to join Alaska in pursuit of this reform,” and it further asks the national convention to either abolish the superdelegate system entirely or to otherwise force unpledged delegates to vote in accordance with their state’s vote results.

Although the resolution pushes for an end to the superdelegate system on the local and national level and was formally adopted by the delegation, all parts of the resolution are non-binding.

The Alaskan convention produced a few other stabs at the national leadership of the Democratic Party, however. According to Alaska Dispatch News, several people walked out of the building in protest as Debbie Wasserman Schultz, chair of the national DNC, delivered her keynote speech for the event. Ian Smith of Kenai was one of those who walked out of her speech, stating “as long as she takes this money I can’t trust her,” before he added, “It hurts me to say that.”

Bernie Sanders Just Unleashed on Nevada Convention Disaster

“It is imperative that the Democratic leadership, both nationally and in the states, understand that the political world is changing and that millions of Americans are outraged at establishment politics and establishment economics,” Sanders said in a public statement. “The people of this country want a government which represents all of us, not just the 1 percent, super PACs and wealthy campaign contributors.”

Good Luck Bernie, but DWS is just counting the money.

 

[Aglaopheme]

The Trump supporters behavior was despicable in Nevada, and so was Sanders' response. Clinton had more people at the Nevada Caucus.

Your link doesn't open for me, so I can't really comment on whichever article it is that you read.

 

[JackLuis]

The Trump supporters behavior was despicable in Nevada, and so was Sanders' response. Clinton had more people at the Nevada Caucus.

Your link doesn't open for me, so I can't really comment on whichever article it is that you read.

I fixed the second link, the first worked for me.
Bernie said "

“The Democratic Party has a choice. It can open its doors and welcome into the party people who are prepared to fight for real economic and social change – people who are willing to take on Wall Street, corporate greed and a fossil fuel industry which is destroying this planet. Or the party can choose to maintain its status quo structure, remain dependent on big-money campaign contributions and be a party with limited participation and limited energy.”

 

[JackLuis]

TYT discusses the Nevada chaos.

 

[JackLuis]

It looks like Bernie tied with Hillary in Kentucky and won in Oregon.
He spit the Kentucky delegates 27-27 and won in Oregon 28-24 delegates.

Bernie=1488 delegates vs Hillary's 1767 delegates, supers not included.

New Jersey and Claifornia are the remaining big states. June 7th will be the deciding date.

 

[Boxlicker101]

It looks like Bernie tied with Hillary in Kentucky and won in Oregon.
He spit the Kentucky delegates 27-27 and won in Oregon 28-24 delegates.

Bernie=1488 delegates vs Hillary's 1767 delegates, supers not included.

New Jersey and Claifornia are the remaining big states. June 7th will be the deciding date.

Maybe and maybe not. The super delegates favor Hilly but they are not controlled by her. Depending on what happens RE indictment of Hilly, they may decide to vote in favor of somebody else, such as Biden and, after a certain point, the committed delegates could do the same, resulting in the nomination of the reluctant VP for POTUS. The GOP may do the same kind of thing if Trump does not have a majority of delegates on the first ballot. They may draft Romney of nominate Kasich or do something else that will result in an election between two reasonable candidates, rather than the chuckleheads we would otherwise have.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Maybe and maybe not. The super delegates favor Hilly but they are not controlled by her. Depending on what happens RE indictment of Hilly, they may decide to vote in favor of somebody else, such as Biden and, after a certain point, the committed delegates could do the same, resulting in the nomination of the reluctant VP for POTUS. The GOP may do the same kind of thing if Trump does not have a majority of delegates on the first ballot. They may draft Romney of nominate Kasich or do something else that will result in an election between two reasonable candidates, rather than the chuckleheads we would otherwise have.

I'm not sure what the law specifically states bout pledged delegates in the event of an indictment (probably nothing since nothing specifies you cannot run for president from prison) but assuming that doesn't turn Hillary's pledged delgates into Super Delegates via DQ the Democrats would have no choice but to follow Sanders. At least initially.

I don't even think Bernie could lose in a contested convention without Hillary but I admit I haven't looked up that specific scenario. The Republicans are in a different scenario and could still within their rules fuck Trump if he fails win before then.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I'm not sure what the law specifically states bout pledged delegates in the event of an indictment (probably nothing since nothing specifies you cannot run for president from prison) but assuming that doesn't turn Hillary's pledged delgates into Super Delegates via DQ the Democrats would have no choice but to follow Sanders. At least initially.

I don't even think Bernie could lose in a contested convention without Hillary but I admit I haven't looked up that specific scenario. The Republicans are in a different scenario and could still within their rules fuck Trump if he fails win before then.

I don't believe there is any particular law; there are only DNC rules. Without the super delegates, no candidate would have a majority and, after a few fruitless ballots, the pledged delegates would be released from their obligation. The most electable candidate could then be chosen. I mentioned Biden, because he is the best known, but there could be others, such as Jim Webb. Personally, I would have no problem casting my ballot against Trump and for one of those alternate Dem. candidates.

Trump is so widely despised, the GOP would dump him if they could, and nominate either one of the candidates who dropped out of the race but still has some pledged delegates or somebody who did not run, such as Romney.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Maybe and maybe not. The super delegates favor Hilly but they are not controlled by her.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not controlled as in Manchurian candidate controlled, but certainly bought and paid for.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I don't believe there is any particular law; there are only DNC rules. Without the super delegates, no candidate would have a majority and, after a few fruitless ballots, the pledged delegates would be released from their obligation. The most electable candidate could then be chosen. I mentioned Biden, because he is the best known, but there could be others, such as Jim Webb. Personally, I would have no problem casting my ballot against Trump and for one of those alternate Dem. candidates.

Trump is so widely despised, the GOP would dump him if they could, and nominate either one of the candidates who dropped out of the race but still has some pledged delegates or somebody who did not run, such as Romney.

I did some digging and still can't find anything solid on the rules. I don't deny that without the Super Delegates neither will make it. The question is during that first vote can they vote for anybody but the two officially running?

No doubt the Republicans would dump him if they could but mostly as damage control. And they still could if Trump fails to pass the finish line which he might. I lost track I don't think he needs to do anything more than coast now.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not controlled as in Manchurian candidate controlled, but certainly bought and paid for.

They fucked her over in favor of Barry last time. Course unlike now the people were clearly behind Obama.

 

[BotanyBoy]

They fucked her over in favor of Barry last time.

He had the money.

What was it like 1.2 billion the first round and 1.6B for the second?

Course unlike now the people were clearly behind Obama.

They all thought he was a Democrat.

 

[Sean Renaud]

He is a Democrat. You mean they thought he was a progressive/liberal and. . .you're not wrong. It's like they weren't listening at all. Then again given eight years from the Right I couldn't blame you for thinking that Obama was to the left of Bernie.