Bernie!

[Sean Renaud]

But that hasn't been the focus of the Hillary hate. If it were that would be wonderful but it's not. That's why Trump is doing so well, Americans do not hate the Sachs/Monsanto/and have never even heard of Lockheed Martin to give a shit. Hillary being pro-war is generally a plus in the eyes of the American people and Obama is viewed as being hopelessly weak.

The Establishment will not lose the White House. It's either Hillary or Trump so at best you mean unstead of a puppet that might occasionally act on it's own or simply misinterpret instructions we've gone straight to the master. I mean at least then we know who to blame.

Her debating is stupid. Winners do not face their opponents on equal terms for good reason. Nor in a world of soundbites do intelligent people open their mouths anymore than absolutely necessary.

Because the plutocracy rule the planet and you absolutely have to take power from them under intelligent controlled circumstances. A blind rage storm is something they can simply ignore for as long as they please.

Plutocracy is the only choices we have. That's fact not opinion.

 

[BotanyBoy]

But that hasn't been the focus of the Hillary hate. If it were that would be wonderful but it's not. That's why Trump is doing so well, Americans do not hate the Sachs/Monsanto/and have never even heard of Lockheed Martin to give a shit. Hillary being pro-war is generally a plus in the eyes of the American people and Obama is viewed as being hopelessly weak.

I think it has...I think her Wall St. dick sucking is hurting her more than the hardcore (D)'s like to admit. And you have a MUCH lower opinion of the people in this country than I do.

The Establishment will not lose the White House. It's either Hillary or Trump so at best you mean unstead of a puppet that might occasionally act on it's own or simply misinterpret instructions we've gone straight to the master. I mean at least then we know who to blame.

Nope...Trump has been quite critical of citizens united and super pac mega contributions poisoning the gov.

Hillary won't hardly discuss the topic, because she's pure fucking evil and can't bring herself to support the 99% over the 1%...... AT ALL.

Her debating is stupid. Winners do not face their opponents on equal terms for good reason. Nor in a world of soundbites do intelligent people open their mouths anymore than absolutely necessary.

She hasn't won yet, and she's not debating because every time she does her support slips.

Because the plutocracy rule the planet and you absolutely have to take power from them under intelligent controlled circumstances. A blind rage storm is something they can simply ignore for as long as they please.

You STOP electing their puppets to office. That's how you intelligently fuck them out of this abundance of power they have obtained, under controlled circumstances.

If that doesn't work we go back to torches and pitchforks and there have been a plethora of elitist scum with that attitude just like Clinton and her billionaire buddies that have been drug out in the street and sent packing if not flat out hung/butchered for their abuse of power. Going all the way back to antiquity.

Plutocracy is the only choices we have. That's fact not opinion.

No it's not....that's a defeatist 1% supporter opinion.

We the people can end the plutocracy with some very simple changes that both Sanders and Trump support.

And it starts by NOT voting for Clinton...Bush or any of the other elitist pol's who fucking hate everyone but billionaires.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I think her Wall St dick sucking has hurt her with liberals and progressives sure. I do have a "low" (I prefer to think of it as realistica) view of people in this country.

Trump is the megapac poisoning the government! And I've yet to hear him say anything specifically about Citizens United. Just that he was raising his own money. . .for the primaries. Now that that is over he's onboard. Just like he doesn't mind how the Republican Primaries work because he won. Those are his words too I might add.

If Hillary doesn't win now it's because the Super Delegates made a judgement call. One I would wholeheartedly support because its the logical call to make. But I would hope the Bernie Supporters would honor kill themselves if the Super Delegates did their jobs and said "We believe Bernie has a better chance of winning than Hillary and it's our Job to tell the masses to shut the fuck up and win."

Yes, you stop electing their puppets. I'm with you. The American public has decided however that Bernie<Hillary. They are wrong mind you but I don't get to control peoples thoughts. I'm still working on that super power.

Here's the thing with torches and pitchforks. For starters Americans uniquely do no own such implements. Our revolution was not of the common man over the rich oppressors it was the local rich rebelling against overseas rich people who for various reasons did not and could not give them what they wanted. Even if we did the 1% always come back. Hail Hydra.

No, it's not a 1% supporter opinion. This election is Hillary vs Trump barring the Super Delegates growing enormous scrotums. Those are your choices. The sponsored or the sponsor but no third. I mean you could let Congress decide.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Trump is the megapac poisoning the government!

And I've yet to hear him say anything specifically about Citizens United.

Really? Then why is the plutocracy throwing all their money at Clinton and not Trump?

Just because he's rich doesn't make him Goldman Sachs.

And he has specifically mentioned how horrible it is and that's fuckin' everything up.

That's Trump for "Citizens United was a bad idea and needs to go"

If Hillary doesn't win now it's because the Super Delegates made a judgement call.

OH she wins the party vote, but that doesn't mean she's won the popular vote.

I'd love to see the DNC disenfranchise their voters, it would only further their being shit on. Outside a hand full of (D)'s fuck em'...they are pure fucking scum.

Here's the thing with torches and pitchforks. For starters Americans uniquely do no own such implements.

It's a figure of speech.....if you want me to be accurate that's fine. M-240B/D/C...M-203, M-4, M-249, FNP-90, IED's, NOD's, Thermoptics, .338 Lapua Mag etc.

Even if we did the 1% always come back. Hail Hydra.

They will never go away, but they won't have the power their wealth currently affords them.

No, it's not a 1% supporter opinion.

Yes it is....Clinton is every bit the fucking enemy that a Bush is.

This election is Hillary vs Trump barring the Super Delegates growing enormous scrotums. Those are your choices. The sponsored or the sponsor but no third. I mean you could let Congress decide.

True and in that case I chose the maybe wild card over the 110% GUARANTEED ass fucking that Clinton represents.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Why hasn't the plutocracy thrown money at Trump? Assuming Trump isn't lying they have and he rejected it because he was self-funding. He became the official nominee yesterday. So just wait for it.

And he's openly bragged about having given to both sides specifically because then he could walk in and get shit done because they owed him. So no, it doesn't make him Goldman Sachs. He's a Koch brother or Soros. Nobody so trivial as Goldman.

That's what they exist for, to "disenfranchise" the voters. Or in this case correct possible goofs.

I know it's a figure of speech. That why i mentioned the nature of our revolution. It wasn't about the poor overthrowing their oppressors like the French or Russian Revolutions. It was about the rich fighting the rich. IT's a cultural difference.

I don't view the Bush's as an enemy. The are middle of the road annoying not actual vile scum.

Yeah, I don't like wildcards. I like knowing what the fuck is up.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Why hasn't the plutocracy thrown money at Trump? Assuming Trump isn't lying they have and he rejected it because he was self-funding. He became the official nominee yesterday. So just wait for it.

Oh I'm sure he will but I bet he doesn't get anywhere near the money Clinton gets.

And he's openly bragged about having given to both sides specifically because then he could walk in and get shit done because they owed him. So no, it doesn't make him Goldman Sachs. He's a Koch brother or Soros. Nobody so trivial as Goldman.

Yea, as he was saying how fucked up the system is.

Just because he's playing the game doesn't mean he likes the game.

Fuck I play the game!! Doesn't mean I like it or don't want to change it.

It's a horrible game...needs to go.

Yeah, I don't like wildcards. I like knowing what the fuck is up.

I'm adaptable, someone possibly upsetting the fight for a change has more appeal to me than watching Clinton rat fuck the country for another 4 years.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I doubt he doesn't love the game with all his heart. Very few people don't like games they are winning as thoroughly as he is. We'll see how much he gets. I suspect if we were fair and measured from this moment forth they get similar amounts of money.

I'm adaptable too. But I don't like surprises.

 

[L1tTleD1fferent]

Plutocracy is the only choices we have. That's fact not opinion.

That's only one thing & therefore a choice, not choices.

I don't care how you feel about any people or surprises, but don't claim something is fact when the sentence you include it in first is flat-out clearly wrong.

 

[JackLuis]

Maher asks Sanders for strategy to fight Trump: ‘Obviously Hillary Clinton doesn’t have it’

On the heels of a Bernie Sanders/Donald Trump debate being scuttled, Real Time host Bill Maher asked the Vermont senator to discuss how he would approach countering the Republican candidate’s rhetoric.

“I’ve been trying to get this answer out of everybody who comes on this show: what is the right strategy to run against Donald Trump?” Maher asked. “Obviously Hillary Clinton doesn’t have it. What would be your strategy?”

“That is a good question, and I would not be honest if I told you I’ve figured it out yet,” Sanders replied. “He is so unpredictable because he lies all of the time — not a joke. He changes his mind all the time.”

The Democratic candidate pointed out that Trump was willing to debate him as recently as Thursday — provided the event raised $10 million for charity — only to back out a day later after a tech company met the real estate mogul’s condition.

“How do you deal with that?” Sanders asked.

"Post a chicken joke?"

 

[L1tTleD1fferent]

Maher asks Sanders for strategy to fight Trump: ‘Obviously Hillary Clinton doesn’t have it’



"Post a chicken joke?"

Unless you just want to state facts: Clinton & the rest of the GOP (besides Trump, obviously, not Clinton) are chicken to post him as President is a joke!

 

[urguyscott]

There are still a few blind Sanders followers who really can't believe he is a Communists. They think he wants us to be like some of the Socialist countries (there are only a few that haven't gone broke yet), but if you look at his record and what he and his wife, who really controls him, they want us to be like the hard core communist countries. This is in his own words. A two class system with the rich elite living like royalty and the rest of us their slaves or serfs.

1964.
While attending the University of Chicago, Sanders joined the Young People’s Socialist League, the youth wing of the Socialist Party USA. He also organized for a communist front, the United Packinghouse Workers Union, which at the time was under investigation by the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
After graduating with a political science degree, Sanders moved to Vermont, where he headed the American People’s History Society, an organ for Marxist propaganda. There, he produced a glowing documentary on the life of socialist revolutionary Eugene Debs, who was jailed for espionage during the Red Scare and hailed by the Bolsheviks as “America’s greatest Marxist.”
This subversive hero of Sanders, denounced even by liberal Democrats as a “traitor,” bashed “the barons of Wall Street” and hailed the “triumphant” Bolshevik revolution in Russia.
“Those Russian comrades of ours have made greater sacrifices, have suffered more, and have shed more heroic blood than any like number of men and women anywhere on Earth,” Debs proclaimed. “They have laid the foundation of the first real democracy that ever drew the breath of life in this world.”
In a 1918 speech in Canton, Ohio, Debs reaffirmed his solidarity with Lenin and Trotsky, despite clear evidence of their violent plunder and treachery.
Sanders still hangs a portrait of Debs on the wall in his Senate office.
After failed runs for Congress, Sanders in 1981 managed to get elected mayor of Burlington, Vt., where he restricted property rights for landlords, set price controls and raised property taxes to pay for communal land trusts. Local small businesses distributed fliers complaining their new mayor “does not believe in free enterprise.”
Sanders took several “goodwill” trips not only to the USSR, but also to Cuba and Nicaragua, where the Soviets were trying to expand their influence in our hemisphere.
Sanders also adopted a Soviet sister city outside Moscow and honeymooned with his second wife in the USSR. He put up a Soviet flag in his office, shocking even the Birkenstock-wearing local liberals. At the time, the Evil Imperialist Empire was on the march around the world, and threatening the US with nuclear annihilation.
Then, in 1989, as the West was on the verge of winning the Cold War, Sanders addressed the national conference of the US Peace Council — a known front for the Communist Party USA, whose members swore an oath not only to the Soviet Union but to “the triumph of Soviet power in the US.”
Today, Sanders wants to bring what he admired in the USSR, Cuba, Nicaragua and other communist states to America.
For starters, he proposes completely nationalizing our health care system and putting private health insurance and drug companies “out of business.” He also wants to break up “big banks” and control the energy industry, while providing “free” college tuition, a “living wage” and guaranteed homeownership and jobs through massive public works projects. Price tag: $18 trillion.
Who will pay for it all? You will. Sanders plans to not only soak the rich with a 90 percent-plus tax rate, while charging Wall Street a “speculation tax,” but hit every American with a “global-warming tax.”
Of course, even that wouldn’t cover the cost of his communist schemes; a President Sanders would eventually soak the middle class he claims to champion. From each according to his ability, to each according to his need, right? (Remember a middle class is an enemy to a communist regime. And like all communist countries, the elite ruling class lives like royalty while their people starve.)
When Sanders in 1988 married his wife, Jane, the couple honeymooned in Yaroslavl, Russia. In an interview with that city's mayor, Alexander Riabkov, Sanders acknowledged that housing and health care were “significantly better” in the U.S. than in the Soviet Union, but added that “the cost of both services is much, much, higher in the United States.”
By 1990 Sanders was a leading member of Jesse Jackson's National Rainbow Coalition, and he ran successfully for Congress as a socialist, representing Vermont's single at-large congressional district. In his campaign, Sanders was supported by the Communist author and journalist I.F. Stone.

In 1991, Sanders founded the Congressional Progressive Caucus along with fellow House members Tom Andrews, Peter DeFazio, Ron Dellums, Lane Evans, and Maxine Waters.
In November 2006 Sanders ran successfully for a seat in the U.S. Senate. Then-Senator Barack Obama, whom Sanders described as “one of the great leaders” of that legislative body, campaigned enthusiastically on Sanders's behalf. When a Washington Postreporter asked Sanders just prior to the election: “Are you now or have you ever been a Socialist?” Sanders replied, “Yeah. I wouldn’t deny it. Not for one second. I’m a democratic Socialist.”
In 2007 Senator Sanders and Rep. Maurice Hinchey together introduced the Media Ownership Reform Act, which was designed to tightly restrict the number of radio stations that any firm could own. It also sought to resurrect the so-called “Fairness Doctrine”—a measure that, if passed, would greatly diminish the influence of conservative talk radio.
In 2007 Sanders and Senator Barbara Boxer proposed the Global Warming Pollution Reduction Act, which, according to an MIT study, would have imposed on U.S. taxpayers a yearly financial burden of more than $4,500 per family, purportedly to check climate change.
Over the years, Sanders's political campaigns have received strong support from such organizations as the AFL-CIO, the American Association for Justice, the Backbone Campaign, the Council for a Livable World, the Democratic Socialists of America, and Peace Action.
His wife shows how his real dealings for education is. Responding to one of Anderson Cooper’s softball questions, socialist Bernie Sanders (I-VT) told the CNN Town Hall on Wednesday night that he lives a frugal life and indicated that he doesn’t care about money or status. “I have a small Chevrolet,” he said. “It is one of the smallest Chevys that they make.” He said it was about five years old.
But James O’Brien, a political consultant and former publisher of Campaigns & Elections magazine, says the career politician, who has been a mayor, member of Congress and U.S. senator, has achieved the financial status of a millionaire.
O’Brien has analyzed the financial status of Sanders and his wife, including their financial disclosure report, and has concluded they have a net worth in the range of $1.2 to $1.5 million, not the $700,000 or less that is usually reported by the media.
Rather than “Feel the Bern,” the phrase associated with popular support for the self-declared “democratic socialist,” O’Brien says that Sanders is personally “Feelin’ the Wealth.”
Equally significant, his wife, Jane O’Meara Sanders, left her position as president of Burlington College under controversial circumstances and is now being accused of federal bank fraud. She left her position at the college and was given a severance package known as a “golden parachute” that also benefited Senator Sanders’ personal wealth.
Brady C. Toensing, a partner with the law firm of diGenova & Toensing, has filed a legal complaint with federal authorities requesting an investigation into apparent federal bank fraud committed by Ms. Sanders. His complaint was sent to Eric S. Miller, the U.S. Attorney for the District of Vermont, and Fred W. Gibson, Jr., Acting Inspector General with the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation.
A Sanders spokesman told the Burlington Free Press that the complaint was an effort to throw mud at the presidential candidate.
O’Brien says that Sanders’ financial disclosure forms are incomplete. “For someone who doesn’t care about money, he goes a long way to cover up his true net worth,” he says. “Bernie does not disclose the value of real estate holdings. He can. He is not required to, but he could if he chose. It is known that he and/or his wife own at least two homes—one with rental income in Vermont and one near Capitol Hill where the median home value is $722,000.”
O’Brien bases his conclusions about Sanders’ millionaire status on what is known and can be estimated about his salary, the income of his wife, joint income, investments, pension, and value of his real estate properties.
On top of this, O’Brien notes that Sanders benefits from a multi-million dollar U.S. Senate staff and a multi-million dollar U.S. presidential campaign staff.
In addition to the questions about his real net worth, Jane Sanders’ exit from Burlington College continues to generate controversy, even scandal. She was president of the college from 2004 until 2011.
Federal officials have acknowledged the complaint about Jane Sanders from attorney Brady C. Toensing, but they won’t say whether they are going forward with an investigation.
Although Senator Sanders frequently complains about the “corporate media” that are supposed to have a bias against his candidacy, the necessary task of digging into the finances of his wife has been left to the conservative media and some local Vermont news organizations.
At the very least—as noted by Bruce Parker, a Vermont reporter for Watchdog.org—Senator Sanders should be asked to explain how his opposition to severance packages for corporation executives squares with his wife getting a cushy severance of $200,000.
In a story headlined, “Bernie Sanders’ Wife May Have Defrauded State Agency, Bank,” reporters Blake Neff and Peter Fricke of the conservative Daily Caller News Foundation reported the essential facts of the case, noting that she nearly bankrupted Burlington College when she took on $10 million in debt to finance the purchase of a new, far more expansive campus. “The move backfired massively, leading to Sanders’ departure from the college and the near-collapse of the institution,” Neff and Fricke report.
By any standard of fair and objective news reporting, a candidate who promises “free college” to America’s young people should be asked to address the issue of his wife’s financial shenanigans almost bankrupting an institution of higher learning. But it hasn’t been raised in the debates.
At one point it was reported that Burlington College was fighting for its very survival. “As a result of its financial woes, Burlington College is on academic probation from the New England Association of Schools and Colleges,” reportedVTDigger.org, a statewide news website, in 2014.
VT Digger confirmed the nefarious role played by Jane Sanders, noting that she “overstated donation amounts in a bank application for a $6.7 million loan that was used by the college to purchase a prime 33-acre property on Lake Champlain in 2010.” Jane Sanders “resigned under pressure from the Burlington College board of trustees nearly a year after obtaining the multi-million dollar loan,” the site reported. “After both sides lawyered up, the board gave Sanders the title of president emeritus and a $200,000 severance package.”
A Republican activist named Skip Vallee produced a 60-second television advertisement entitled, “Bernie’s Golden Parachute,” describing the nature of the $200,000 severance package and making the point that while Sanders was planning a presidential run “on a theme of railing against golden parachutes and excesses” on Wall Street, he took “his own golden parachute” through his wife’s curious dealings with the cash-strapped college.
The ad features the “S” in Sanders in the shape of a dollar sign and shows Sanders saying the rich in America “manipulate a rigged system” and benefit from “golden parachutes.”
On top of this scandal, The Washington Free Beacon has reported that Senator Sanders used campaign money to benefit members of his family, and that Jane Sanders directed six-figure sums from Burlington College to her daughter and the son of a family friend.
“Getting money out of politics” is one of the planks in Sanders’ presidential campaign platform.

 

[Sean Renaud]

That's only one thing & therefore a choice, not choices.

I don't care how you feel about any people or surprises, but don't claim something is fact when the sentence you include it in first is flat-out clearly wrong.

Oh no the grammar police! Though technically we have two choices they are both part of the plutocracy.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Why hasn't the plutocracy thrown money at Trump? Assuming Trump isn't lying they have and he rejected it because he was self-funding. He became the official nominee yesterday. So just wait for it.

And he's openly bragged about having given to both sides specifically because then he could walk in and get shit done because they owed him. So no, it doesn't make him Goldman Sachs. He's a Koch brother or Soros. Nobody so trivial as Goldman.

That's what they exist for, to "disenfranchise" the voters. Or in this case correct possible goofs.

I know it's a figure of speech. That why i mentioned the nature of our revolution. It wasn't about the poor overthrowing their oppressors like the French or Russian Revolutions. It was about the rich fighting the rich. IT's a cultural difference.

I don't view the Bush's as an enemy. The are middle of the road annoying not actual vile scum.

Yeah, I don't like wildcards. I like knowing what the fuck is up.

He's broke now. So he has come calling, cap in hand. Whatever happened to having 8 billion dollars again?

I think that Mark Cuban is right about Trump. He's not nearly as rich as he claims.

 

[L1tTleD1fferent]

Oh no the grammar police! Though technically we have two choices they are both part of the plutocracy.

We have more than 2 choices still, & "plutocracy" is only something that exists with/on Pluto, who may still be a dog, but is not a planet, let alone the one I live on, so I don't care.

 

[Sean Renaud]

We really don't have more than choices realistically. You are mildly amusing though.

 

[L1tTleD1fferent]

We really don't have more than choices realistically. You are mildly amusing though.

Who needs more than choices? It's each voter's right & privilege to choose.

The only thing mildly-amusing is that you actually believe half of what you type is fact, & that you're at minimum as intelligent as myself & several of the others who post in this topic.

 

[JackLuis]

Bernie is finishing strong in California with a new Ad.

Pretty effective in changing the perspective for the election. Hope and Change that Obama failed to deliver?

 

[L1tTleD1fferent]

Hope and Change that Obama failed to deliver

...Do not exist.

Only thing we know for sure is no candidate has a relative in another state's government that can help get them awarded the November election wrongly.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Who needs more than choices? It's each voter's right & privilege to choose.

The only thing mildly-amusing is that you actually believe half of what you type is fact, & that you're at minimum as intelligent as myself & several of the others who post in this topic.

Smarter than the vast majority actually and it consistently shows. But please carry on.

 

[JackLuis]

Oh No!
Hillary Clinton wins Puerto Rico primary election

After reports of long lines at the polls, the AP is reporting Hillary Clinton is the winner of the Puerto Rico primary election.

Early reports had Clinton leading Bernie Sanders by just over 1,000 votes, according to results tabulated by CNN. With 38 percent reporting, they showed Clinton in the lead with 62 percent of the vote.

Wait 38% reporting, where from? 1,000 vote lead?

38% reporting does not make a horse race.

 

[JackLuis]

Why Bernie Sanders will keep fighting even after the California primary

For all practical purposes, the drawn-out contest for the Democratic nomination will likely end Tuesday night, because Hillary Clinton is almost certainly going to win New Jersey’s 70 delegates and declare the race clinched, even before the results in a much bigger state — California — are tallied.

Except, it probably won’t actually end Tuesday night, because an undaunted Bernie Sanders and his ardent supporters don’t believe (or won’t admit) the superdelegates who have pledged support for Clinton and push her delegate total past the 2,383 nomination threshold should be counted — at least not yet. Sanders is now saying Clinton needs to win two-thirds of the remaining pledged delegates to clinch the nomination, and that if she doesn’t do that, she can expect a floor fight at the Democratic convention in July. “It’s extremely unlikely that Secretary Clinton will have the requisite number of pledged delegates to claim victory on Tuesday night,” Sanders said in a recent speech. “At the end of the nominating process, no candidate will have enough pledged delegates to call the campaign a victory. They will be dependent upon superdelegates. The Democratic National Convention will be a contested convention.”

Besides the Super Delegates are all Democrats. How much do you bet on a Democrats pledge from six months ago?

"Of Course I'll support you, Hillary," and "I won't cum in your mouth." both statements should be viewed with some circumspect.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Why Bernie Sanders will keep fighting even after the California primary



Besides the Super Delegates are all Democrats. How much do you bet on a Democrats pledge from six months ago?

"Of Course I'll support you, Hillary," and "I won't cum in your mouth." both statements should be viewed with some circumspect.

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... Clinton will win because America licks swamp ass.

 

[L1tTleD1fferent]

Smarter than the vast majority actually and it consistently shows. But please carry on.

I don't need your permission, especially since the fact that you think what you claim & continue to both have the opinions & make the claims you express proves you to be one of the more-often-voiced but not as widely-held perspectives.

Also, a great percentage of Americans neither lick ass nor think/express themselves through theirs.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Also, a great percentage of Americans neither lick ass nor think/express themselves through theirs.

Cite?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Actually my opinions are generally with the majority and are virtually always supported by the facts once they come out. So that first paragraph is silly.

As for your second paragraph, I'm aware I live in a country of prudes. One problem at a time though.