Bernie!

[BotanyBoy]

He is a Democrat. You mean they thought he was a progressive/liberal and. . .you're not wrong. It's like they weren't listening at all. Then again given eight years from the Right I couldn't blame you for thinking that Obama was to the left of Bernie.

Yea I know that's what's in front of his name but I meant a democrat in practice.

He's been a better Republican than the last two Republicans.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Being better than Bush isn't really that difficult, but I don't know that that's true.

 

[SexyAlison]

Don't mind me, just caucusing for Bernie

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[SexyAlison]

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[urguyscott]

Of course Clinton thinks she's a Democrat and identifies as such. Really making that claim shows just how insane you are.

She stated more than once that she is a "Progressive". She runs as a democrat the same reason Sanders does. Remember he has been an "Independent" and is a Socialist/Communist. (Even Obama made a joke about him being "Comrade" at the Press Club.) She like Obama destroys any Democrat who attempts to stand up for the party values. His little Princess in the House and his cattle thief in the Senate are great at threats and bullying members of their party to not step out of line and do as they are ordered. And with the same poor brain dead followers as followed blindly Hitler and Lenin thinking that if they did so they would be part of the elite with their own slaves, etc. they take control. But look at the followers of any dictator after that dictator is made the country's leader. They don't hang around long. Pun intended.

The primary system of both parties has always been so the "boys in the smoke filled room" decide who will run. That s how Obama became a candidate. It wasn't because of anything he had done worthy to run for the office. The "Super" delegates are just political bosses who owe no loyalty to the people or to their party. Money and power is all that counts. Who will be the most corrupt and the one who will ensure that the bosses get rich will be the one chosen. Clinton has the rep as being the whore of Wall Street and of foreign powers. Sanders lives in a world of his own from the 1960's. Trump, well he is nothing but a Copper Head Democrat at heart (if he had one) and a third rate reality actor and terrible business man. As long as you pat his ass he will kiss yours.

Come November we get to choose which person will destroy the freedom of the world. As bad as the world is after eight years of Obama, it really be a mess no matter which of these three losers gets the most dead, illegals and comic strip characters to vote for them.

 

[Sean Renaud]

A progressive is a specific type of Democrat. Not something different from Democrats. Your arguing that Texans aren't American.

Of course the primaries have been that way. Obama beat the odds of course. There isn't a particularly compelling reason why the parties even give us the say that they DO in their runner but since they do it's annoying to some degree but I don't see much in the way of how to fix it.

No. Hillary will be a continuation of the last 30 years. The world is still here. We can bitch about good bad or indifferent but if two Bushs, one Clinton, one OBama and one Reagan failed to destroy the freedom of the world there is no reason to believe Hillary would or could.

Of course if you think the world is an awful mess after eight years of Obama. . .well your opinion is not mine. I'd happily sign on for another four if the law didn't prevent it.

 

[sr71plt]

I bet that "another four" would win an election at this moment. The whiners would still be here, but then they always are here.

 

[JackLuis]

Pelosi defends Sanders: A 'positive force' for Dems

National party leaders have become increasingly concerned that Sanders's extended primary contest with front-runner Hillary Clinton will bruise the Democrats' image while distracting from the party's ultimate fight against Donald Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee.

But Pelosi hailed Sanders for energizing young voters, arguing that his appeal will play to the advantage of all Democrats in November.

"Bernie Sanders is a positive force in the Democratic Party," Pelosi said during a press briefing in the Capitol.

"He has awakened in some people an interest in the political process that wasn't there. He has encouraged young people to channel their interest in public service and community leadership into a political place, because this is where decisions are made that'll affect their future and their lives. And I think that's positive."

Sanders has won a surprising number of state primaries, largely by energizing young and blue-collar voters distrustful of Clinton, and he's vowing to carry that momentum to the Democratic convention in Philadelphia in July.

 

[JackLuis]

Sanders may debate Trump, not Clinton, before California contest

U.S. presidential candidates Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump have appeared to agreed to debate each other ahead of California’s June 7 primary contest, an unconventional move before either political party has formally picked its nominee.

Sanders, a U.S. senator from Vermont, is still locked in a tight primary battle against Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton, while Trump effectively clinched the Republican party’s nomination earlier this month when his two remaining rivals dropped out.

In an appearance on ABC’s “Jimmy Kimmel Live” late Wednesday, Trump was asked whether he was willing to participate in such an event against Sanders.

“Yes, I am,” Trump said, adding that he would do it if the event’s proceeds were donated to a good cause.

“If I debated him, we would have such high ratings,” the billionaire businessman said. “I think I should … take that money and give it to some worthy charity.”

Trump recognizes that an hour or so on Prime Time for free is better than pouring ad money into the LSM.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The question is should Hillary find a way to weasel in. She has no strategic interest in debating Bernie but I don't see how she can let this go unanswered.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I bet that "another four" would win an election at this moment. The whiners would still be here, but then they always are here.

If it would then Sanders wouldn't even be relevant and Trump wouldn't be looking better to fuck her world up in the general every day that passes.

Enough people are quite clearly sick and tired of Wal Mart, Lockheed Martin, Monsanto and Wall St. puppets like Bush, Obama and Clinton to shit on the GOP and back the DNC into a corner in full panic mode.

As much as you like to cheer typical partisan politics as bulletproof do whatever they want elites forever in power to serve the super rich and fuck everyone else, I think those days are numbered.

With a strong policy record of "fuck America and I hate the middle/working class people of this country." I don't think O would fair too much better than (R)odham.

The question is should Hillary find a way to weasel in. She has no strategic interest in debating Bernie but I don't see how she can let this go unanswered.

If she gets in she's going to get ripped apart on every hot button topic in this race.

If she doesn't she further re-enforces her sneaky/lying/slimy typical pol' image, which isn't good.

 

[Sean Renaud]

You really think Americans are a lot smarter than they are Bot. I mean SO MUCH smarter.

There is always the chance that Bernie decides to double team Trump and really solidify his support of Hillary. I have no clue if he's willing to burn the house down or not.

 

[Iceprincess12]

You really think Americans are a lot smarter than they are Bot. I mean SO MUCH smarter.

There is always the chance that Bernie decides to double team Trump and really solidify his support of Hillary. I have no clue if he's willing to burn the house down or not.

*Mwah*

Hi and bye, errands to run

 

[BotanyBoy]

You really think Americans are a lot smarter than they are Bot. I mean SO MUCH smarter.

That may be true.....

But I hope I'm not, because I have to.

Without hope my apathy goes from 9 to 11 and 11 just isn't sustainable.

 

[Sean Renaud]

AT the moment I'm not sure what I hope. I mean if people are exactly as smart as you think they are they'll burn down the house with absolutely no way of rebuilding it.

If they are a little smarter they'd spend the next four years planning.

We'll know come convention time.

 

[BotanyBoy]

AT the moment I'm not sure what I hope. I mean if people are exactly as smart as you think they are they'll burn down the house with absolutely no way of rebuilding it.

If they are a little smarter they'd spend the next four years planning.

We'll know come convention time.

You're right, it would be smarter to start the fire in Congress....then head to the WH for a torch party.

But it might be easier to set the WH ablaze at this point.

Mmmmhmm....time will tell, but at this point I'm ready for anything to happen right up to and including a UFO landing on the WH lawn and the whole planet coming unglued.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

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[Sean Renaud]

You're right, it would be smarter to start the fire in Congress....then head to the WH for a torch party.

But it might be easier to set the WH ablaze at this point.

Mmmmhmm....time will tell, but at this point I'm ready for anything to happen right up to and including a UFO landing on the WH lawn and the whole planet coming unglued.

Setting the White House a blaze at this point is simple. The Sanders people who said they would vote for Trump just do it and the game is set and match. Setting Congress on fire is a lot harder. I mean sure we could dump a bunch of them but we do that every single time we're pissed and it never does any good. Why? Because what lesson does it send to Congress if whenever things go bad all the people in vulnerable districts get sacked regardless of the job they did? If you answered it teaches them nothing at best and at worst encourages bad behavior congrats your right. Cus if I'm fucked either way I'm stealing the keys of the keyboard, the mouse and hooking my buddy up to replace shit.

See I store the majority of my stuff on the planet so I'm not fond of it coming unglued. If I thought this was a teachable moment MAYBE but probably not.

I tell you what. I'll be quite a bit happier when this crap is done and we can spend the next four years bitching constructively. Or proving people are really whiny cunts once and for all.

 

[JackLuis]

California Up for Grabs, Poll Finds, as Clinton and Sanders Battle

LOS ANGELES — Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders are locked in a tight race in California, the nation’s most populous state and one that until recently seemed strongly in Mrs. Clinton’s corner, a new statewide poll has found.

The poll, released Wednesday night by the Public Policy Institute of California, showed Mrs. Clinton leading Mr. Sanders among likely voters, 46 percent to 44 percent — within the margin of error. A survey by the organization in March found Mrs. Clinton with a lead of 48 percent to 41 percent over Mr. Sanders.

The survey came as both Mr. Sanders and Mrs. Clinton have stepped up their campaign appearances here in anticipation of the June 7 primary. Mr. Sanders, after initially saying he would not advertise on television here — California is one of the most expensive states for television advertising, given its size and the number of media markets — took to the airwaves this week.

And Mrs. Clinton has quickly responded, with ads set to begin running on Friday in the Los Angeles, Fresno and Sacramento markets: one narrated by the actor Morgan Freeman, another highlighting Mrs. Clinton’s endorsement by the civil rights activist Dolores Huerta. The Clinton campaign will also run Spanish-language ads aimed at Latino voters, and translated commercials in Cantonese, Mandarin, Vietnamese and Korean.

Hillz can't afford to lose California. She might have enough delegates but with her poll numbers and approval against Trump declining, can the Supers really count on her winning? The pressure on Hillary mounts, she's not good with pressure. She wants a sure thing but she's not getting it!

 

[BotanyBoy]

I tell you what. I'll be quite a bit happier when this crap is done and we can spend the next four years bitching constructively. Or proving people are really whiny cunts once and for all.

I agree with what I edited.

But I think the constructive bitching is panning out finally.....seeing the establishment that's been fucking us go down the toilet is constructive. I don't think burning that toxic poison filled house down will be as bad as everyone thinks. Sure it's going to hurt, but rip that band-aid off and it will be alright.

At the end of the day most of our problems are still 1st world problems

 

[Sean Renaud]

California Up for Grabs, Poll Finds, as Clinton and Sanders Battle



Hillz can't afford to lose California. She might have enough delegates but with her poll numbers and approval against Trump declining, can the Supers really count on her winning? The pressure on Hillary mounts, she's not good with pressure. She wants a sure thing but she's not getting it!

I agree with what I edited.

But I think the constructive bitching is panning out finally.....seeing the establishment that's been fucking us go down the toilet is constructive. I don't think burning that toxic poison filled house down will be as bad as everyone thinks. Sure it's going to hurt, but rip that band-aid off and it will be alright.

At the end of the day most of our problems are still 1st world problems

I don't see it. First I don't think we constructively whined the last eight years I think over throw the establishment just caught on because stupid. Ripping off the bandaid is fine, but not if you plan to stab yourself again. And lets face it Americans LOVE the status quo, that just includes bitching. There is no plan.

I would love for them to spend four years on specific issues. Don't like the primary process? Scream and shout so it's a 2018 issue. Though I can't see it getting fixed much. Bernie people are making a damn good case for Super delegates being fucking vital and Republicans hate federal government and will let the states decided. . .which they already do. So. . .yeah. But if people aren't pissed about this 1/20/2017 it's proof that they aren't actually pissed at the system. They are pissed they are losing and fuck all of them.

 

[L1tTleD1fferent]

I don't see it. First I don't think we constructively whined the last eight years I think over throw the establishment just caught on because stupid. Ripping off the bandaid is fine, but not if you plan to stab yourself again. And lets face it Americans LOVE the status quo, that just includes bitching. There is no plan.

I would love for them to spend four years on specific issues. Don't like the primary process? Scream and shout so it's a 2018 issue. Though I can't see it getting fixed much. Bernie people are making a damn good case for Super delegates being fucking vital and Republicans hate federal government and will let the states decided. . .which they already do. So. . .yeah. But if people aren't pissed about this 1/20/2017 it's proof that they aren't actually pissed at the system. They are pissed they are losing and fuck all of them.

GOP have basically whined the last 8 years... However, I think many of the talk-show hosts you saw out there (not the same ones as now in some cases) tailored their monologues to what they thought the majority of the public felt; It's natural to mention the President, but whether you make fun of him or his detractors depends on which will get the bigger response.

Not all Americans love bitching, either. If you like something, you stay quiet, but if you dislike it, that's the time you'll voice the opinion. (Why Idol was largely run by a "Vote For The Worst" Website, & William Hung got a record deal same as the winners.)

The primary process will never be an issue no matter how many people react any way about it... Fact is that's not the only problem (if it's even one of them). Many states have no primary for an election that affects the whole country, & either way, the way anybody in the states votes matters none; It's only the majority choice in each state, & that only tells a small number of people in an ironically-termed "college" what candidate to vote for. (I remember growing up, I was told/read a lot that "one person can make a difference", & same with "one vote"... But when I became a legal voter, I was also an alumnus of an Alma mater, & therefore not dumb enough to fall for that nonsense.)

Regardless, I read online today Trump is claiming networks are asking him to debate Bernie. My first thought upon reading that headline was, "Who cares?! They're both gonna lose to Hillary anyway!" Personally, though, I hope Don & Done (husband is the only President Clinton we need to ever have) both get Bernt.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I don't see it.

I think there is a bit of you that doesn't want to.

And lets face it Americans LOVE the status quo, that just includes bitching.

Then why did they flat out reject the GOP and have the DNC 'front runner' hiding in a hole clinging to her 'inevitability' for all she is worth ?

They are pissed they are losing and fuck all of them.

The only people loosing are the establishment neocon/libs, they are going down in flames right now, it's happening.

If she had so much support she wouldn't be hiding from debates, questions and even any media outlets she doesn't like until her crown shows up in January. She would be out running her mouth, not sweating a pair of outsiders and their mob of pissed off villagers. I think they have had enough fucking from Hillary type pols and are about to doing some fucking of their own and it's catching on in a big way.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Maybe I don't want to see it but can you point to something that has a solution we've been complaining about?

That's exactly why they flat out rejected the GOP frontrunner and Hillary in a realistic world curbstomped Bernie, you just refuse to accept how math works. But Bernie would be a constructive change. The Republicans had Rand Paul right the fuck there if they were actually tired of the social messages sent by their party and still were upset about liberal taxes. A vote for Trump is not a constructive attempt for change, it's a child screaming "You want bad?! I'll show you bad!" And then proceeding to throw on a black cape and kick puppies down flights of stairs. That is EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

The establishment won't lose a thing at the end of the day. You and me are the ones who are gonna bear the brunt of a half assed plan.

No amount of support means she should do stupid shit like debate. That's the thing, they aren't going to do some fucking of their own, they are just screwing themselves over in a hissy fit.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Maybe I don't want to see it but can you point to something that has a solution we've been complaining about?

NOT putting another Sachs/Monsanto/Lockheed Martin chicken hawk by the 1% for the 1% and fuck the country POTUS in office.

I'd rather a house cat run the country, than let Clinton and her billionaire buddies rat fuck it for another 4 years.

That's exactly why they flat out rejected the GOP frontrunner and Hillary in a realistic world curbstomped Bernie, you just refuse to accept how math works.

How am I refusing math? She hasn't curb stomped ANYONE. Shit she's hiding because opening her mouth in liburhul ass CA might just blow up in her face.....especially if Sanders is the one pressing her, she can't afford it.

But Bernie would be a constructive change. The Republicans had Rand Paul right the fuck there if they were actually tired of the social messages sent by their party and still were upset about liberal taxes. A vote for Trump is not a constructive attempt for change, it's a child screaming "You want bad?! I'll show you bad!" And then proceeding to throw on a black cape and kick puppies down flights of stairs. That is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. The establishment won't lose a thing at the end of the day.

Bernie would be but the elitist (D)'s prefer the 1% class fucking the poor, clearly. And aren't even .0001% better than their neocon buddies. They might as well be supporting a Bush.

The establishment will lose the WH.....that's a pretty big thing.

You and me are the ones who are gonna bear the brunt of a half assed plan.

We already are the ones who are getting fucked....pulling the elites dicks out of our ass's isn't going to end the world. It's time to turn around and punch Sachs in the fuckin' mouth.

No amount of support means she should do stupid shit like debate. That's the thing, they aren't going to do some fucking of their own, they are just screwing themselves over in a hissy fit.

The only reason her debating is stupid is because it shines a light on what a scum sucking shit bag elitist she really is.

How are they screwing themselves over by raging against the plutocracy instead of supporting it like Clinton's fans?

Supporting Clinton is supporting the plutocracy.

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The plutocracy is bad.....don't support Clinton.