Black Radical Answers The Call, Kills Two NYC Policemen

[islandman]

All very fascinating. You forgot to ask your alleged cop "friends" what they call gangbangers? Where in this country are gang-bangers not referred to as gang-bangers?

It's convenient I have a brother? I had four of them. Three of them still living.

Convenient that you have "friends" that are cops to tell you that cops do not call gang members gang bangers. Gang members call themselves that. Usually just "bangers." What they do is "banging."

Not sure exactly why that is even remotely important or why you got your panties wedged in your pussy over it, but I can have one of my other brothers (the obstetrician) check it out for you.

Disgustipated has done nothing with his life so every single aside anyone mentions sounds fanciful to him.

By the way. we have a new cat underfoot so I read him your post and he agreed with me that you are full of shit. It's a little cold for crickets but I will look for a spider to back me up on this.



Interview between Carol Costello and Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu On 16 July 2014.

She seemed to think that an Arizona sheriff would be familiar with the term gang-banger.

You people on this board are certifiably insane. You will pick a word or a phrase and argue about the most arcane minutiae as if it has fuck all to do with the issue being discussed. You will argue to the wall about shit when you are 100% wrong.

You incorrectly assume that I take exception at the term "gangbanger". Rather, I poked fun at your "strategy" that cops would be conducting raids as "retribution".

I asked your spider and even it thought your assumption to be dim-witted.

 

[Que]

You incorrectly assume that I take exception at the term "gangbanger". Rather, I poked fun at your "strategy" that cops would be conducting raids as "retribution".

I asked your spider and even it thought your assumption to be dim-witted.

I said nothing about retribution. It's about making sure it doest happen again. Pick up guns and bangers and it's less likely.

You sure invested a lot of time and effort on your silly (incorrect) crusade to prove that cops don;t call them bangers for something you didn't intend to dispute.

The words you are looking for are "I was wrong," or "I should know better than to listen to Dsgustipated."

 

[Que]

He s ALREADY forbidden to buy a gun.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I said nothing about retribution. It's about making sure it doest happen again. Pick up guns and bangers and it's less likely.

You sure invested a lot of time and effort on your silly (incorrect) crusade to prove that cops don;t call them bangers for something you didn't intend to dispute.

The words you are looking for are "I was wrong," or "I should know better than to listen to Dsgustipated."

If you don't understand why cops calling them bangers is kind of a problem that can very easily lead to what the African American community is complaining about here I don't know how to explain it.

He s ALREADY forbidden to buy a gun.

Assuming that poster is true though nobody checked. A law that's not enforced for whatever reason isn't a law. And for the record encase I never made this clear I don't see a functional difference between enforcing laws that are currently on the books but generally go ignored and writing new laws other than the fact that somewhere out there is the jack ass who'll one day read every bit of the fucking law and smack you around with ancient BS nobody has enforced in decades.

 

[phrodeau]

He s ALREADY forbidden to buy a gun.

But dealers aren't forbidden to sell him one.

Make it illegal to sell to felons, and felons will have to search for an irresponsible gun owner, which the NRA insists are almost nonexistent.

 

[Que]

But dealers aren't forbidden to sell him one.

Make it illegal to sell to felons, and felons will have to search for an irresponsible gun owner, which the NRA insists are almost nonexistent.

It is a violation of federal law for a "dealer" (called an FFL) to sell a gun to anyone that does not get cleared by the feds on a background check. Most declines are false positives and you still cannot sell the gun. Not even if you know the guy since 3rd grade.

They do not have to search for anything. 1.6 MILLION guns were reported stolen between 2005 and 2010. It is estimated that 500,000 to 600,000 thousand guns are stolen annually. Most households with a felon in it have one for protection and even those get stolen, but not reported.

If ONLY we tightened restrictions on Oxycodone criminals could not get it...Oh wait. It is already highly restricted.

If ONLY we made Oxy illegal, then NO ONE would have it and the criminals couldn't get it. Oh, wait. Meth is illegal and readily available.

 

[Que]

If you don't understand why cops calling them bangers is kind of a problem that can very easily lead to what the African American community is complaining about here I don't know how to explain it.



Assuming that poster is true though nobody checked. A law that's not enforced for whatever reason isn't a law. And for the record encase I never made this clear I don't see a functional difference between enforcing laws that are currently on the books but generally go ignored and writing new laws other than the fact that somewhere out there is the jack ass who'll one day read every bit of the fucking law and smack you around with ancient BS nobody has enforced in decades.

Except when trying to create a narrative for the Administrations (then) planned gun control initiatives (since dropped) the Feds very actively police FFL holders.

They are very much enforced and FFL holders report to the Feds if they even suspect it is a strawman purchase. Gun nuts do not like the idea of more criminals with guns. No one is so desperate to make the $50 to $100 profit selling a gun that they want to do federal time for it. Criminals, on the other hand are already risking worse federal tme on drug charges. A weapons charge is minor to them.

On Christmas day, I could get you connected with any firearm you could imagine legally, but likely you can't take it today. It would take me a drive of 150 miles and about three phone calls to get you an illegal one for 1/2 price. Why do I not purchase myself a 1/2 price gun? Because I have no interest in being caught with an illegal, undoubtedly stolen gun.

There is a minor gray market. I could go today, find a private party seller, bullshit with him and maybe he barely asks my name, doesn't ask for my drivers license to jot down who he sold it to, since he knows it is registered to him. I pay close to retail price for a used gun, that I can now sell on the street for 1/2 price. No one that cannot legally own a gun cares to pay more for a not stolen gun.

 

[islandman]

I said nothing about retribution. It's about making sure it doest happen again. Pick up guns and bangers and it's less likely.

You sure invested a lot of time and effort on your silly (incorrect) crusade to prove that cops don;t call them bangers for something you didn't intend to dispute.

The words you are looking for are "I was wrong," or "I should know better than to listen to Dsgustipated."

Once again with the one-upmanship. Contrary to what others may have told you, it is a sure sight of an insecure character.

Lest you think your character matters to me, it doesn't. It merely amuses me, hence serving what little purpose it has on here.

 

[Que]

Once again with the one-upmanship. Contrary to what others may have told you, it is a sure sight of an insecure character.

Lest you think your character matters to me, it doesn't. It merely amuses me, hence serving what little purpose it has on here.

One upsmanship? Really?

Check with your cop friends...ask them if you are "winning."


Nice "I'm above it all" trolling after raising the issue in the first place.

 

[phrodeau]

Except when trying to create a narrative for the Administrations (then) planned gun control initiatives (since dropped) the Feds very actively police FFL holders.

They are very much enforced and FFL holders report to the Feds if they even suspect it is a strawman purchase. Gun nuts do not like the idea of more criminals with guns. No one is so desperate to make the $50 to $100 profit selling a gun that they want to do federal time for it. Criminals, on the other hand are already risking worse federal tme on drug charges. A weapons charge is minor to them.

On Christmas day, I could get you connected with any firearm you could imagine legally, but likely you can't take it today. It would take me a drive of 150 miles and about three phone calls to get you an illegal one for 1/2 price. Why do I not purchase myself a 1/2 price gun? Because I have no interest in being caught with an illegal, undoubtedly stolen gun.

There is a minor gray market. I could go today, find a private party seller, bullshit with him and maybe he barely asks my name, doesn't ask for my drivers license to jot down who he sold it to, since he knows it is registered to him. I pay close to retail price for a used gun, that I can now sell on the street for 1/2 price. No one that cannot legally own a gun cares to pay more for a not stolen gun.

More from the link that you must not have read: http://www.newrepublic.com/article/...-ismaaiyl-brinsley-gun-georgia-arrowhead-shop

New York requires all gun sales, including private ones, to pass a background check. Georgia does not. It also has no penalties for straw purchasers who buy firearms legally for someone who can't. It also doesn't mandate that gun owners file a police report when their gun goes missing. In 2014, Georgia's weakened its laws even further, and now gun owners can carry firearms into bars, classrooms, government buildings, and even TSA airport checkpoints.

 

[islandman]

One upsmanship? Really?

Check with your cop friends...ask them if you are "winning."


Nice "I'm above it all" trolling after raising the issue in the first place.

Following up on an issue raised isn't "trolling". It's merely the hallmark of an adult mind. One up-manship, however, is.

Kudos to you.

 

[Que]

More from the link that you must not have read: http://www.newrepublic.com/article/...-ismaaiyl-brinsley-gun-georgia-arrowhead-shop

You must not have read what you wrote or what I did...you said requiring dealers to not sell to felons. it is FEDERAL LAW that all gun sales by FEDERAL FIREARMS LICENSEES be held until the buyer passes a FEDERAL background check.

DEALERS all have an FFL or they cannot purchase guns to resell. You cannot ship a single gun across state lines unless the recipient has an FFL.

Why do people that know nothing about guns write about them? Why do people like you read things about guns written by people that know nothing about guns?

 

[Que]

Following up on an issue raised isn't "trolling". It's merely the hallmark of an adult mind. One up-manship, however, is.

Kudos to you.

It isn't "following up on an issue" to come back, sniff derisively, while still not acknowledge that you took the time to call me out, and not acknowledge that you were 100% wrong.

But whatever makes you feel all "adult" and important.

 

[phrodeau]

You must not have read what you wrote or what I did...you said requiring dealers to not sell to felons. it is FEDERAL LAW that all gun sales by FEDERAL FIREARMS LICENSEES be held until the buyer passes a FEDERAL background check.

DEALERS all have an FFL or they cannot purchase guns to resell. You cannot ship a single gun across state lines unless the recipient has an FFL.

Why do people that know nothing about guns write about them? Why do people like you read things about guns written by people that know nothing about guns?

http://smartgunlaws.org/universal-gun-background-checks-policy-summary/

The Gun Control Act of 1968 provides that persons “engaged in the business” of dealing in firearms must be licensed.22 Although Congress did not originally define the term “engaged in the business,” it did so in 1986 as part of the McClure-Volkmer Act (also known as the “Firearms Owners’ Protection Act”). That Act defined the term “engaged in the business,” as applied to a firearms dealer, as “a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms.”23

Significantly, however, the term was defined to exclude a person who “makes occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his personal collection of firearms.”24 According to a 1999 report issued by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), the current definition of “engaged in the business” often frustrates the prosecution of “unlicensed dealers masquerading as collectors or hobbyists but who are really trafficking firearms to felons or other prohibited persons.”25

http://smartgunlaws.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/privatesales_animation_FINAL.gif

 

[Que]

http://smartgunlaws.org/universal-gun-background-checks-policy-summary/

None of those people are "Dealers" which is what you said and what I responded to.

This fantasy that people who are engaged in the traffic of guns to felons trade are flying under the radar by not getting an FFL is stupid. If not stolen guns how are they acquiring the guns to sell in the first place? You cannot call up Springfield armory and order a case of pistols if you do not have an FFL.

You could order them through a friendly FFL, then what? The BATF is all over you when they find you just bought 24 pistols in one purchase.

So you spread them out. You pay full retail. WHY?

Criminals do not pay full retail when there are 500,000 stolen guns available cheap.

Even if 95% of all legal gun sales were not through licensed dealers, that is not how criminals acquire guns. The are already felons. It is already illegal for them to possess a firearm. The fact they are in possession of a stolen firearm for a misdemeanor amount is inconsequential to them. There is no need to pay retail, or to have the serial number on the gun in your pocket to be one transaction away from someone remembering they sold it to you.

 

[phrodeau]

None of those people are "Dealers" which is what you said and what I responded to.

This fantasy that people who are engaged in the traffic of guns to felons trade are flying under the radar by not getting an FFL is stupid. If not stolen guns how are they acquiring the guns to sell in the first place? You cannot call up Springfield armory and order a case of pistols if you do not have an FFL.

You could order them through a friendly FFL, then what? The BATF is all over you when they find you just bought 24 pistols in one purchase.

So you spread them out. You pay full retail. WHY?

Criminals do not pay full retail when there are 500,000 stolen guns available cheap.

Even if 95% of all legal gun sales were not through licensed dealers, that is not how criminals acquire guns. The are already felons. It is already illegal for them to possess a firearm. The fact they are in possession of a stolen firearm for a misdemeanor amount is inconsequential to them. There is no need to pay retail, or to have the serial number on the gun in your pocket to be one transaction away from someone remembering they sold it to you.

Unlicensed dealers, as described in the law, don't have to do background checks in Georgia.

Are there really that many irresponsible gun owners? The NRA has been hiding that little fact from us.

 

[islandman]

It isn't "following up on an issue" to come back, sniff derisively, while still not acknowledge that you took the time to call me out, and not acknowledge that you were 100% wrong.

But whatever makes you feel all "adult" and important.

Your incorrect assumption makes me wrong? That's rich.

Better yet, that's juvenile.

 

[Que]

PS. I know you love to google for bias confirmation but who the hell is "smartgunlaws.org" I have never heard of them and only one website I could find ever linked to them, and it is another one I have never heard of: http://gunnewstoday.com/

 

[Que]

Unlicensed dealers, as described in the law, don't have to do background checks in Georgia.

Are there really that many irresponsible gun owners? The NRA has been hiding that little fact from us.

What makes them irresponsible? Where are they getting these guns that you allege they are selling in some kind of volume? I've witnessed numerous such sales. One guy gets tired of the quirks of one gun and sells or trades it to a friend or family member. That does not increase the number of guns in circulation by even one unit.

 

[Que]

Your incorrect assumption makes me wrong? That's rich.

Better yet, that's juvenile.

My assumption that my brother is a cop was incorrect? How?

 

[phrodeau]

PS. I know you love to google for bias confirmation but who the hell is "smartgunlaws.org" I have never heard of them and only one website I could find ever linked to them, and it is another one I have never heard of: http://gunnewstoday.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_Center_to_Prevent_Gun_Violence

The New Republic article links to them.

 

[phrodeau]

What makes them irresponsible? Where are they getting these guns that you allege they are selling in some kind of volume? I've witnessed numerous such sales. One guy gets tired of the quirks of one gun and sells or trades it to a friend or family member. That does not increase the number of guns in circulation by even one unit.

It does increase the number of gun owners.

 

[Que]

It does increase the number of gun owners.

How does one gun-owner buying or trading guns with another gun owner increase the number of gun-owners? No one I know that is into guns mentions the contents of their collection to a non-gun owner. In fact, unless they know you pretty well, you are unlikely to know what they have. A discussion about imported 9mms leads to a swap of a full-size one for a compact one. A discussion about ammo prices leads to a swap of a .243 semi-auto for a bolt action 30.06. It only comes up when talking guns and non-gun owners like yourself have nothing interesting to say on the subject.

If you were into radio-controlled planes would you strike up conversations about them with random strangers?

Why would having more (lawful) gun owners be a problem?

Are you under the impression that people with felony records need to hang out at gun ranges and gun shows with law-abiding non-felons to acquire a gun illegally?

What part of 500,000 available stolen guns a year did you miss? Figuring the average stolen gun does not put in a lot of range time, guns stolen a decade ago (like the NYC shooters gun, probably) are still quite serviceable. We don't know who the gun was stolen from but whoever sold him this one had to know it would end up in a crime scene someday. That person had to know that it was untraceable to them or they would have sold him one that was untraceable to them.

When a criminal wants an untraceable firearm they do not mean one with the serial numbers filed off. They mean one that is not tied to them or the guy that sold it to them. They don't care where it came from. Only whether it has or has not been already used in a major crime.

There is a reason criminals leave guns behind at crime scenes. The trail to them ends if they do not have it on them.

 

[Que]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_Center_to_Prevent_Gun_Violence

The New Republic article links to them.

From Wiki:

LCPGV has become increasingly involved in Second Amendment litigation by tracking cases raising Second Amendment claims.

Oh the "track" it? No amicus briefs, no litigation? A website to disseminate tired, anti-gun, Brady campaign material?

Go it.

Maybe Bloomberg will give them some money to waste.

 

[Sean Renaud]

How does one gun-owner buying or trading guns with another gun owner increase the number of gun-owners? No one I know that is into guns mentions the contents of their collection to a non-gun owner. In fact, unless they know you pretty well, you are unlikely to know what they have. A discussion about imported 9mms leads to a swap of a full-size one for a compact one. A discussion about ammo prices leads to a swap of a .243 semi-auto for a bolt action 30.06. It only comes up when talking guns and non-gun owners like yourself have nothing interesting to say on the subject.

-snip-​

Which raises the very serious question of how do so many get stolen. Mine are in a safe, if you can open the safe or steal the whole damn safe then you fucking earned it. If I'm home when you try. . .well same thing but you also run the risk I might shoot you.

In addition not every house even has guns, these aren't televisions or X-Boxes where you can simply make an educated guess without knowing someone or hell casually walk up to the house, knock on the door and when they don't answer peer in the windows knock on a few of them and when someone asks what are you doing just make up a story about your friend and he's supposed to be here. Worst case scenario they call the cops on you and you leave and you haven't commited a crime yet even if you do stick around.