Book Club. Only the quiet and well behaved allowed in.

[Speak]

doc·u·men·ta·ry ( P ) Pronunciation Key (dky-mnt-r)
adj.

1. Consisting of, concerning, or based on documents.
2. Presenting facts objectively without editorializing or inserting fictional matter, as in a book or film.


n. pl. doc·u·men·ta·ries

A work, such as a film or television program, presenting political, social, or historical subject matter in a factual and informative manner and often consisting of actual news films or interviews accompanied by narration.



Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

 

[Speak]

Notice that the definition you cited was and adjective. Notice the definition of the noun.

 

[Speak]

Personally I believe the truth is a subset of all biases and is disjoint with nonbias. The same exact thing is true of untruth. That's just my bias speaking though. It could be true or false.

 

[dirtylover]

I haven't made it through twenty yet....so I'll tell you later.

What cowboy hat?

Not yet. Should I?

Whisp

If you have a Pratchett book, and there's a picture of him, he'll be wearing a hat.

Robert Rankin - -quite readable, bit zany, I like his stuff and if you like TP, you probably will too.

Raphy - Oh yeah! I forgot about the witches, they're really funny actually, esp Granny Weatherwax - -she's not afraid of the woods because she's the scariest thing there, and she walks between the raindrops....K, Pratchett has some very memorable characters. Think I just got a bit bored of him.

Perd - k, changed AV again, I thought cream on a strawberry had some kind of sexual undertones (like cum on a clit), but I guess it's a bit cliche. Going with Jung for now, since I love his biography by Laurens van der Post. That was a very inspiring book.

Re MM and documentaries: If he didn't come across as so biased (and a bit of an ass) I think his point would come across better. I agee with his political standpoints, but he somehow seems unthreatening politically. I think Stupid White Men is too dumbed down too.

Re Childrens books: read most of a book called Shadowmancer, but lost interest. I like the Mr Men books, The Little Prince and The Hungry Catepillar - -tried, tested and still the best.

 

[Speak]

Re MM and documentaries: If he didn't come across as so biased (and a bit of an ass) I think his point would come across better. I agee with his political standpoints, but he somehow seems unthreatening politically.

I applaud your bias. It takes courage to risk being either true or false. I think this statement is false and I am stating it without proof except to say that Bowling for Columbine is a masterpiece, it is bigger than all of us and it will outlast us all.

 

[dirtylover]

Personally I believe the truth is a subset of all biases and is disjoint with nonbias. The same exact thing is true of untruth. That's just my bias speaking though. It could be true or false.

A subset of all biases? I prefer to think of truth as equating to reality, and reality equating to perception. i.e. We each see things in our own way, we each have our own reality, and each our own truth. However, individuality and Oneness are flip-sides of the same coin. It is possible to be an individual, with individual truth, but still be floating in the collective un/conscious. Eyeless in Gaza by Huxley has a good discussion on this, towards the end.

Speak, could you pass us the spliff?

Sweet.

 

[kellycummings]

I applaud your bias. It takes courage to risk being either true or false. I think this statement is false and I am stating it without proof except to say that Bowling for Columbine is a masterpiece, it is bigger than all of us and it will outlast us all.

Bowling for Columbine was a great work. Moore is brave for speaking his mind like he does. As I said before, I agree with most of what he says and I do like him. I thought Roger&Me was great.
I've seen him speak and he sorta comes off as paranoid and a bit stubborn but he's not afraid to speak his mind.
He would get his point across better if he shut up now and then but that just seems to be his personality.

 

[Speak]

Personally to me a good documentary must be a good proof. It should come from an inpiration to show the world what is real. There is a far more interesting discussion to be had about the content of his films than suggesting he should cool out.

I never feel patronized by Michael Moore. You must carry some unsound beliefs that are contributing to people being hurt in some very profound way because that is the only subject he ever talks about and anyone should be able to understand why people choose to live their lives this way. Spend your life making unbiased documentaries.

 

[Speak]

Bowling for Columbine was a great work. Moore is brave for speaking his mind like he does. As I said before, I agree with most of what he says and I do like him. I thought Roger&Me was great.
I've seen him speak and he sorta comes off as paranoid and a bit stubborn but he's not afraid to speak his mind.
He would get his point across better if he shut up now and then but that just seems to be his personality.

I see where you're coming from. I just feel if everyone were doing what Michael Moore is doing we would be in a lot better situation.

 

[Speak]

A subset of all biases? I prefer to think of truth as equating to reality, and reality equating to perception. i.e. We each see things in our own way, we each have our own reality, and each our own truth. However, individuality and Oneness are flip-sides of the same coin. It is possible to be an individual, with individual truth, but still be floating in the collective un/conscious. Eyeless in Gaza by Huxley has a good discussion on this, towards the end.

Speak, could you pass us the spliff?

Sweet.

By equating the set of truth you are making a much stronger statement than I am prepared to make. I think the set of all unbiases is empty myself. What is unbias anyway?

 

[Speak]

A subset of all biases? I prefer to think of truth as equating to reality, and reality equating to perception. i.e. We each see things in our own way, we each have our own reality, and each our own truth. However, individuality and Oneness are flip-sides of the same coin. It is possible to be an individual, with individual truth, but still be floating in the collective un/conscious. Eyeless in Gaza by Huxley has a good discussion on this, towards the end.

Speak, could you pass us the spliff?

Sweet.

I always believe in sharing... as long as this isn't sarcasm.

Was that comment about the repetitive posting? Sorry, force of habit, I'm trying to quit. I'll try and edit from now on if I have to.

 

[kellycummings]

Back on the book thing...

They just found Spalding Grays body in a river. New York I think they said. And now back to your regually scheduled programming.

 

[dirtylover]

reSarcasm

No sarcasm intended (although I wish there was, because that would be quite funny). I always convince myself that I know what reality and truth are, until I try and explain it to someone else, then it just seems silly. I guess Jesus had the knack didn't he?

Without a doubt
There is no doubt
Only convictions
Of crimes we had to commit


Okay, I admire MM's work, just not him.

Kelly - Sorry, please fill me in. I know I should know who you're talking about, but don't.

 

[Speak]

Anyone read Dude, Where's My Country Yet?

I read Chomsky's "911", Gore Vidal's "Dreaming War... Cheney Bush Junta" and "Blood for Oil: how we got to be so hated". All three were essay collections that kinda misreprenting their content in the titles though. Not that they were lacking content about their titles, they just seemed to have a lot of material you weren't expecting. Perhaps that's a good thing. All these books were good. If you haven't read these their worth reading. Anyone who's read them want to discuss?

 

[Svenskaflicka]

I bought Stupid White Men for Hubby. I think I'll buy myself a copy as well. The clerks of the book shop is beginning to give me evil looks.

 

[Speak]

Actually my math has been a little sloppy. Truth and untruth are disjoint subsets of bias. That doesn't necesarily imply that the union of untruth and truth has to be the set of all biases. This set could include things that are neither true nor untrue. What would such biases be like I wonder?

One thing I am asserting is that I think that while there is this whole valid point about perception and point of view and the validity and unknowableness of other people's POV, there is also room in the world for people to be both wrong and right about issues in the world. There is a reality that our perceptions are based upon. That is one of my biases.

 

[Speak]

They just found Spalding Grays body in a river. New York I think they said. And now back to your regually scheduled programming.

Wow. That's terrible. I didn't even know he was missing. I found a story about it, it unfortunately is true. ~R.I.P~

 

[CharleyH]

What age level? Seriously, I love children's books "as literature" from some written for two year olds to those for pre-teens. Also, give me time; my memory is crap so I have to look at my library and call my niece for titles I've given her.

Perdita

Took a childrens Lit course in U . . . Tolkein was a figure, but aside, 'Alice In Wonderland,' which is just about the most amazing of amazing nonsense that makes sense, and one of my all time favorites because it was made into a pretty damn good song, and begat absurdity . . . all this asaide, I did like 'Tuck Everlasting,' by Natalie Babbitt. The read is better and much deeper than the film!!!!

Otherwise Early Grimm Brothers before the fairy tales became disney'ized,' and before the wicked Mother became the wicked step-mother.

 

[kellycummings]

Otherwise Early Grimm Brothers before the fairy tales became disney'ized,' and before the wicked Mother became the wicked step-mother. [/B]

I have a book of the complete Grimm fairy tales and they are the most morbid things I've read. Wonderful stories but I can see why they were sanitized over the years.

 

[CharleyH]

I have a book of the complete Grimm fairy tales and they are the most morbid things I've read. Wonderful stories but I can see why they were sanitized over the years.

The fairy tale actually comes from french bothels, an interesting history, and the stories you speak of, were meant to be GRIMM - lol - they should have stayed that way - much more interesting

 

[kellycummings]

The fairy tale actually comes from french bothels, an interesting history, and the stories you speak of, were meant to be GRIMM - lol - they should have stayed that way - much more interesting

Oh, I don't deny that they are interesting. A lot of fun actually. I just meant that I can see why they were changed over the years for kids.

 

[Guest]

This was an interesting thread on fairy tales.

Perdita

 

[CharleyH]

WALT, fucking, DISNEY lol

 

[kellycummings]

Speaking of kid lit, my faves when I was around 10 or 11 were C.S. Lewis' The Chronicles of Narnia. Loved those. I also liked Johnathan Livingston Seagull, The Hardy Boys (not Nancy Drew, never liked her) and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

 

[Svenskaflicka]

"Charlie and the chocolate factory" - sounds like gay male to me.